FSU Leaving the ACC?

[WhosYourDawggy]

People said the same thing about Tennessee in late 2000s. Alabama went through the wilderness from 1997-2008. The pressure can actually backfire if the Admin doesn't handle it correctly.

Georgia does have, in my opinion, built-in resources that Alabama and Tennessee do not (notably being the only real contender right now in one of the larger states in the country. Georgia outstrips both Alabama and Tennessee in population, recruiting, and media market access).

No, no one outside of UTjr said that. Bama is a blue blood, one of the best programs ever with the best coach ever. UTjr was good in the 90s, but let's not get carried away here. Bama has always been good with pockets of not so good. But I don't think anyone thinks they will be going into the wilderness for a could decades.

UGA is where they are today for 3 reasons: (1) Smart was trained under Saban and knew what to ask for and then what to do; (2) the administration finally went all in; and (3) we do live in the middle of the best recruiting resources. But look at our roster ... we recruit everywhere, just like Bama does. So it's more than Georgia and SE talent, although I totally agree that makes a difference.

 

[Volbound1700]

IMO, you are falling into the expansion for the sake of expansion school of thought. The B1G isn't saying, we need to go get better schools so we can compete with the SEC. They already have a contract bigger than ours. They will do fine money wise. And you honestly think they are wanting to bring in Clemson and FSU so that one of those schools can beat the SEC so that the B1G feels good about that? Nah.

1. I don't think the leagues actively recruit. Clemson and FSU would have to approach the B1G and make the pitch themselves
2. Outside of Notre Dame, I would say that both of them are probably the two most marketable brands remaining, they will get attention
3. The B1G adding freakin Rutgers to get into a new market. If they were willing to add Maryland and Rutgers, Clemson and FSU would likely fall on their radar.

However, I think Clemson and FSU definitely have a better shot with SEC than B1G and the B1G seems more likely to grab Miami than FSU for Florida Market.

I will say the B1G has committed to the West Coast right now and SEC is probably not interested in expanding. Based on those facts, the ACC looks pretty stable right now but more so because no one wants any of them currently.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

1. I don't think the leagues actively recruit. Clemson and FSU would have to approach the B1G and make the pitch themselves
2. Outside of Notre Dame, I would say that both of them are probably the two most marketable brands remaining, they will get attention
3. The B1G adding freakin Rutgers to get into a new market. If they were willing to add Maryland and Rutgers, Clemson and FSU would likely fall on their radar.

However, I think Clemson and FSU definitely have a better shot with SEC than B1G and the B1G seems more likely to grab Miami than FSU for Florida Market.

I will say the B1G has committed to the West Coast right now and SEC is probably not interested in expanding. Based on those facts, the ACC looks pretty stable right now but more so because no one wants any of them currently.

Maryland and Rutgers are ranked 55th in the US, and both are well-respected research schools in the AAU. That's better than both Clemson and FSU, which aren't AAU. And adding those two teams made a ton of sense when they were added due to gaining market - in fact, the Rutgers add was the gold standard for that type of move at the time. That market doesn't really exist any more.

 

[Volbound1700]

No, no one outside of UTjr said that. Bama is a blue blood, one of the best programs ever with the best coach ever. UTjr was good in the 90s, but let's not get carried away here. Bama has always been good with pockets of not so good. But I don't think anyone thinks they will be going into the wilderness for a could decades.

UGA is where they are today for 3 reasons: (1) Smart was trained under Saban and knew what to ask for and then what to do; (2) the administration finally went all in; and (3) we do live in the middle of the best recruiting resources. But look at our roster ... we recruit everywhere, just like Bama does. So it's more than Georgia and SE talent, although I totally agree that makes a difference.

Man, you don't keep up with football the past 10 years.

Saban very much nearly did NOT happen for Alabama. It took a scandal with Mike Price (who was hired in 2007) to make Saban happen. It was perfect lightning in the bottle for both parties.

Alabama was not though of that highly prior to Saban. People talked about them Alabama kind of like they did Michigan up until the last 3-4 years or Notre Dame. A program that was past its glory days. I lived in the state during all of that (2006-2009) and saw the entire flip in the script. Auburn had more fans (or at least louder fans) when I moved there but by 2009, it was an entirely different story.

You also don't understand how well Tennessee was though of. Herbstreit keeps bringing it up to remind people. Any of the Power Programs out there can have a major downfall or a major rise (especially in the SEC with so many already in the league competing). It takes the right coach and system. I remember a stat at some point in the late 2000s that cited Tennessee as being the 2nd winningest programs since 1950 (Oklahoma was first).

Alabama went through 4-9, 3-8, etc. type years prior to Saban. It looked hopeless for a time and they had some of the same comments that were floating around about Tennessee just 2-3 years ago. A program that would never comeback. They land Saban and it changed their world. Auburn, LSU, Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, etc. are all capable of being what we think of as Alabama right now, while Alabama and Georgia could very well fall off once Saban and Smart are gone.

However, dedicated fanbases can also be toxic. I know first hand with our own fanbase and boosters. Look at Auburn, Florida, and Texas recently. Their resources/boosters aren't equally top 10 teams at the moment. Who knows, maybe Auburn's hire of Hugh Freeze may turn them into the next SEC Power.

 

[Volbound1700]

Maryland and Rutgers are ranked 55th in the US, and both are well-respected research schools in the AAU. That's better than both Clemson and FSU, which aren't AAU. And adding those two teams made a ton of sense when they were added due to gaining market - in fact, the Rutgers add was the gold standard for that type of move at the time. That market doesn't really exist any more.

Exactly. Do you not think the Florida market would be attractive?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Man, you don't keep up with football the past 10 years.

LOL ... just stopped right there. I've followed CFB closely for the past 55+ years. I had a grandfather that went to Bama, my father was born in Bama, my grandparents were the prototypical house divided with one side Bama, the other Auburn, and I have a son who has been at Bama the past 5 years. I went to two SEC schools for undergrad and law. Yeah, I know all about Alabama football for the past 5 decades.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Exactly. Do you not think the Florida market would be attractive?

Not for the reasons that Rutgers was attractive in 2010-ish. And not enough to abandon their academic profile.

 

[Volbound1700]

LOL ... just stopped right there. I've followed CFB closely for the past 55+ years. I had a grandfather that went to Bama, my father was born in Bama, my grandparents were the prototypical house divided with one side Bama, the other Auburn, and I have a son who has been at Bama the past 5 years. I went to two SEC schools for undergrad and law. Yeah, I know all about Alabama football for the past 5 decades.

I know all of this, I was just baffled at your assertion because it sounded like someone that hasn't watched football pre Saban. Go back and read your post.

 

[Red_Alert]

don't forget, BiG schools voted to keep you out, unlike mean ol vindictive UT who voted for y'all to KEEP your AAU status

Do you have a link to the vote?

It makes little to no sense for Big 10 schools to have voted a fellow member out of AAU status. Isn't every member being AAU what they pride themselves on?

 

[Red_Alert]

My understanding was that the AAU also changed their metrics so agricultural research either didn’t count or was discounted.

So basically they are shit on the farmer kind of assholes.

Interesting. Yeah, Nebraska would be big in Ag research too.

 

[Thiefery]

Do you have a link to the vote?

It makes little to no sense for Big 10 schools to have voted a fellow member out of AAU status. Isn't every member being AAU what they pride themselves on?

Emails: Wisconsin and Michigan opposed Nebraska's AAU membership

After endorsing UNL's entrance into the Big Ten -- in part because of its strong academics -- leaders at Wisconsin and Michigan apparently helped oust UNL from an elite academic

journalstar.com

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I know all of this, I was just baffled at your assertion because it sounded like someone that hasn't watched football pre Saban. Go back and read your post.

I still have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what you typed:

People said the same thing about Tennessee in late 2000s. Alabama went through the wilderness from 1997-2008. The pressure can actually backfire if the Admin doesn't handle it correctly.

You then later typed:

Alabama was not thought of that highly prior to Saban. People talked about them Alabama kind of like they did Michigan up until the last 3-4 years or Notre Dame. A program that was past its glory days. I lived in the state during all of that (2006-2009) and saw the entire flip in the script. Auburn had more fans (or at least louder fans) when I moved there but by 2009, it was an entirely different story.

In the 60s and 70s they won 6 NC under Bryant. They won one a decade after in 92 under stalling. From Bryant to Saban - 23 years - they won 3 SEC titles and a NC. We agree they weren't the scary team they were under the GOATs, but it's not like they didn't have some success with titles and some fairly good 9-10 win seasons.

From 1951 to the present, you have won one legit NC. From the 70s to today, 53 years, you won 5 SEC championships. So you can see why I don't in any way equate Alabama and UTjr, and Bama was still way more respected than UTjr. Sure, they had some up and down years between the two GOATs, but those up and down years would be years that most teams would love to have, including UTjr.

Let's use 1950-2008 when Saban got there as the range

NCs
UTjr - 2
Bama - 7

SECCs
UTjr - 9 SECCs
Bama - 17 SECCs

Hell, if I go from right after Bryant to right before Saban as my time period:

NCs
UTjr - 1
Bama - 1

SECCs
UTjr - 5 SECCs
Bama - 3 SECCs

So even when you have them in the wilderness, and they did have some bad years, and they weren't feared like they were under Bryant and Saban, they accomplished almost as much as UTjr in the same time period. Bryant and Saban were two of the best ever, but most teams would have loved to do what they did in between, even with all the dysfunction.

 

[Volbound1700]

I still have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what you typed:

People said the same thing about Tennessee in late 2000s. Alabama went through the wilderness from 1997-2008. The pressure can actually backfire if the Admin doesn't handle it correctly.

You then later typed:

Alabama was not thought of that highly prior to Saban. People talked about them Alabama kind of like they did Michigan up until the last 3-4 years or Notre Dame. A program that was past its glory days. I lived in the state during all of that (2006-2009) and saw the entire flip in the script. Auburn had more fans (or at least louder fans) when I moved there but by 2009, it was an entirely different story.

In the 60s and 70s they won 6 NC under Bryant. They won one a decade after in 92 under stalling. From Bryant to Saban - 23 years - they won 3 SEC titles and a NC. We agree they weren't the scary team they were under the GOATs, but it's not like they didn't have some success with titles and some fairly good 9-10 win seasons.

From 1951 to the present, you have won one legit NC. From the 70s to today, 53 years, you won 5 SEC championships. So you can see why I don't in any way equate Alabama and UTjr, and Bama was still way more respected than UTjr. Sure, they had some up and down years between the two GOATs, but those up and down years would be years that most teams would love to have, including UTjr.

Let's use 1950-2008 when Saban got there as the range

NCs
UTjr - 2
Bama - 7

SECCs
UTjr - 9 SECCs
Bama - 17 SECCs

Hell, if I go from right after Bryant to right before Saban as my time period:

NCs
UTjr - 1
Bama - 1

SECCs
UTjr - 5 SECCs
Bama - 3 SECCs

So even when you have them in the wilderness, and they did have some bad years, and they weren't feared like they were under Bryant and Saban, they accomplished almost as much as UTjr in the same time period. Bryant and Saban were two of the best ever, but most teams would have loved to do what they did in between, even with all the dysfunction.

The dysfunction was from 1997-2007 and yes they can have dysfunction like anyone. The sport really comes down to coaches. Nebraska is going through it now. Notre Dame went through it, USC went through it, Michigan went through it, Texas is going through it, LSU was putrid in 1980s and early 1990s, etc. Last time I checked, Notre Dame, Texas, USC, and Michigan were all Blue Bloods. Alabama's 1997-2007 was pretty bleak and their real fans from that period will tell you about it. They hit their low point with Mike Price scandal. Interestingly, Tennessee felt like it was at its low point with Jeremy Pruitt scandal. So both started to turn it around when they literally hit rock bottom.

However to me, a big part of success all-time is coaching. Alabama is #1 because they had Bryant and Saban and they nearly did NOT get Saban as I pointed out. They had Mike Price lined up and hired. Keep that in mind. It was a perfect storm that saved their program. Had Mike Price not committed a scandal, the SEC and even College Football could look different.

Similar, Tennessee could have had a whole other story depending on circumstances. Take this video from Josh Pate as an example. You act like programs are always the same and Alabama can't have a collapse. Alabama can DEFINITELY have a Tennessee-like collapse. Any team can. Having boosters or diehard fans may not help, in fact it could make it worse.




One weird thing that I notice about you is that you typically agree or understand my posts until I talk about Tennessee and then you get all defensive and argumentative.

I know you have a history with College Football but what you are posting doesn't make sense. It is all about Coaching in the scheme of things. Good Coaches can make or break a program. Some programs may have more advantages at either getting those coaches or helping those coaches get recruits but overall teams rise and fall based on their coaching hires.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The dysfunction was from 1997-2007 and yes they can have dysfunction like anyone. The sport really comes down to coaches. Nebraska is going through it now. Notre Dame went through it, USC went through it, Michigan went through it, Texas is going through it, LSU was putrid in 1980s and early 1990s, etc. Last time I checked, Notre Dame, Texas, USC, and Michigan were all Blue Bloods. Alabama's 1997-2007 was pretty bleak and their real fans from that period will tell you about it. They hit their low point with Mike Price scandal. Interestingly, Tennessee felt like it was at its low point with Jeremy Pruitt scandal. So both started to turn it around when they literally hit rock bottom.

However to me, a big part of success all-time is coaching. Alabama is #1 because they had Bryant and Saban and they nearly did NOT get Saban as I pointed out. They had Mike Price lined up and hired. Keep that in mind. It was a perfect storm that saved their program. Had Mike Price not committed a scandal, the SEC and even College Football could look different.

Similar, Tennessee could have had a whole other story depending on circumstances. Take this video from Josh Pate as an example. You act like programs are always the same and Alabama can't have a collapse. Alabama can DEFINITELY have a Tennessee-like collapse. Any team can. Having boosters or diehard fans may not help, in fact it could make it worse.




One weird thing that I notice about you is that you typically agree or understand my posts until I talk about Tennessee and then you get all defensive and argumentative.

I know you have a history with College Football but what you are posting doesn't make sense. It is all about Coaching in the scheme of things. Good Coaches can make or break a program. Some programs may have more advantages at either getting those coaches or helping those coaches get recruits but overall teams rise and fall based on their coaching hires.

I don't get defensive and argumentative because you are a UTjr fan. I point out what I see as right or wrong, no matter who you are. If you think about it, you can probably remember many times when I responded to a post of yours telling you you were crazy and then 3 minutes later liked a post of yours. I truly don't get upset here or carry grudges ... it's a sports board. I'll mix it up, agree and disagree with someone within minutes. I can agree and disagree with people on different posts one after another depending on what they say.

Now let's back up a bit so you understand what you are arguing about, and remind you that from the start I posted that it was all about coaches:

You said:

Not sure of Alabama's future if Saban were to retire but good points. Georgia doesn't seem to be going anywhere any time soon.

UF looked great with Urban Meyer but he left. We don't know 5-10 years down the line who the powers will be in the SEC. The only one that we can 100% be sure on right now is Georgia because Kirby Smart has a great system and he doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment. LSU and Tennessee look promising but that can always change. LSU looked promising after 2019 as well.

I agreed:

Certainly when Satan leaves, Bama will have to show that their system can be run by another coach. That will be the most important hire they have ever made, other than hiring Satan. But if they get the right guy, they won't be going anywhere. They have too much going for them. They won't be the level under Satan, but they will be a top 4 SEC school for many years to come.

Same with Smart leaves. I don't see him at UGA more than another 10 years. The pressure is too much.

You will note that I stated right up front that Bama will have to show they can be run by another coach. The most important hire since Saban, and that they will have to get it right. And that if they do, they won't be going anywhere. That's nothing novel or new. I've seen OU and NE have some of the best runs ever as I was growing up, only to run through a bunch of coaches and not be as good. Saw the same with Spurrier, then drop off until Myer showed up. Saw FSU drop off when Bowden left, and Miami be great until they weren't. I lived it with the Dawgs being on top in the early 80s and really good when I was in law school, only to hire an unproven coach in Goff, get better under Donan, and then almost get there with Richt. So Iived that for 40 years. None of this is new, and I clearly acknowledged it with Bama and for my own school UGA. So, I don't know why you are lecturing me about coaching ... I said all that at the very start of the discussion before you went off about it.

Where we did disagree was when you said:

People said the same thing about Tennessee in late 2000s. Alabama went through the wilderness from 1997-2008. The pressure can actually backfire if the Admin doesn't handle it correctly.

I responded:

No, no one outside of UTjr said that. Bama is a blue blood, one of the best programs ever with the best coach ever. UTjr was good in the 90s, but let's not get carried away here. Bama has always been good with pockets of not so good. But I don't think anyone thinks they will be going into the wilderness for a could decades.

I said that because Bama going from Bryant to wilderness to Saban is nothing like what you guys did or have done. First, you guys were really good in the 90s - I've said that here before - that most people here don't realize how dominant you were against UGA and Bama. But you also got dominated by UF during that time, and were really only nationally dominant for 4 years when Mannnig was there, and then won the NC the year after he left. But you were never dominant like Bama was under Bryant, or NE, OU, Miami or FSU. By the time the late 2000s came along, you hadn't been good for a long time and Fulmer had started to stink the place up and you were losing regularly to Bama, UF and UGA. So at that point you weren't replacing a coach that had things really humming ... you were already starting your decline from the 90s and early 2000s. That's the difference I was pointing out.

So, we agree that coaching is what turns a program around. I truly think everyone here knows that. Bama will have an advantage - CFB has changed since the 70s, 80s and 90s - talent is concentrated in the south, CFB is on TV all the time and everyone can see all the games no matter where they live, recruiting is much easier and there is film all over the place no matter how remote a player is located. It will take a really bad hire to screw up Bama to go to a level of irrelevance that UTjr has been on, and that UGA eas on in the late 80s - when Richt tool over 15 years later.

 

[CorpRebel]

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

LOL ... I really don't want to take it further. We both got a little off track. He and I clearly agree that it will be coaches that determine if a team stays a powerhouse. Some interesting ones coming up in the next 5 years:

- Tejas - do they have the right guy?
- OU - does a D oriented coach get them back to the top.
- NE - Rhule seems to be a great hire ... can he get them back to greatness.
- ATM - can Dumbo actually corch?
- UF - is Slingblade finally the right guy, or not?
- CU - Will Dabo change?
- What happens to UM and tOSU when both their coaches end up in the NFL?
- USC - How long does Riley get when he can't build a defense and gets abused in the B1G?
- UA - who replaces Satan? I think it will be Kiffin.
- AU - who replaces Freeze when he starts connecting with hookers on recruiting trips?
- UC - how quickly does Sanders move on because he sucks or he is good?

Will be fun to watch.

 

[Volbound1700]

I don't get defensive and argumentative because you are a UTjr fan. I point out what I see as right or wrong, no matter who you are. If you think about it, you can probably remember many times when I responded to a post of yours telling you you were crazy and then 3 minutes later liked a post of yours. I truly don't get upset here or carry grudges ... it's a sports board. I'll mix it up, agree and disagree with someone within minutes. I can agree and disagree with people on different posts one after another depending on what they say.

Now let's back up a bit so you understand what you are arguing about, and remind you that from the start I posted that it was all about coaches:

You said:

Not sure of Alabama's future if Saban were to retire but good points. Georgia doesn't seem to be going anywhere any time soon.

UF looked great with Urban Meyer but he left. We don't know 5-10 years down the line who the powers will be in the SEC. The only one that we can 100% be sure on right now is Georgia because Kirby Smart has a great system and he doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment. LSU and Tennessee look promising but that can always change. LSU looked promising after 2019 as well.

I agreed:

Certainly when Satan leaves, Bama will have to show that their system can be run by another coach. That will be the most important hire they have ever made, other than hiring Satan. But if they get the right guy, they won't be going anywhere. They have too much going for them. They won't be the level under Satan, but they will be a top 4 SEC school for many years to come.

Same with Smart leaves. I don't see him at UGA more than another 10 years. The pressure is too much.

You will note that I stated right up front that Bama will have to show they can be run by another coach. The most important hire since Saban, and that they will have to get it right. And that if they do, they won't be going anywhere. That's nothing novel or new. I've seen OU and NE have some of the best runs ever as I was growing up, only to run through a bunch of coaches and not be as good. Saw the same with Spurrier, then drop off until Myer showed up. Saw FSU drop off when Bowden left, and Miami be great until they weren't. I lived it with the Dawgs being on top in the early 80s and really good when I was in law school, only to hire an unproven coach in Goff, get better under Donan, and then almost get there with Richt. So Iived that for 40 years. None of this is new, and I clearly acknowledged it with Bama and for my own school UGA. So, I don't know why you are lecturing me about coaching ... I said all that at the very start of the discussion before you went off about it.

Where we did disagree was when you said:

People said the same thing about Tennessee in late 2000s. Alabama went through the wilderness from 1997-2008. The pressure can actually backfire if the Admin doesn't handle it correctly.

I responded:

No, no one outside of UTjr said that. Bama is a blue blood, one of the best programs ever with the best coach ever. UTjr was good in the 90s, but let's not get carried away here. Bama has always been good with pockets of not so good. But I don't think anyone thinks they will be going into the wilderness for a could decades.

I said that because Bama going from Bryant to wilderness to Saban is nothing like what you guys did or have done. First, you guys were really good in the 90s - I've said that here before - that most people here don't realize how dominant you were against UGA and Bama. But you also got dominated by UF during that time, and were really only nationally dominant for 4 years when Mannnig was there, and then won the NC the year after he left. But you were never dominant like Bama was under Bryant, or NE, OU, Miami or FSU. By the time the late 2000s came along, you hadn't been good for a long time and Fulmer had started to stink the place up and you were losing regularly to Bama, UF and UGA. So at that point you weren't replacing a coach that had things really humming ... you were already starting your decline from the 90s and early 2000s. That's the difference I was pointing out.

So, we agree that coaching is what turns a program around. I truly think everyone here knows that. Bama will have an advantage - CFB has changed since the 70s, 80s and 90s - talent is concentrated in the south, CFB is on TV all the time and everyone can see all the games no matter where they live, recruiting is much easier and there is film all over the place no matter how remote a player is located. It will take a really bad hire to screw up Bama to go to a level of irrelevance that UTjr has been on, and that UGA eas on in the late 80s - when Richt tool over 15 years later.

Is it unlikely, perhaps? But with a couple of bad coaching hires and Alabama can go back into the Wilderness.

You point out the advantages of the South but you don't consider that Alabama can be a lot like Auburn, Florida, or Tennessee recently in that with a brutal schedule of having to compete against so many other teams (Oklahoma and Texas joining makes it worse), if they don't get hires right, they could find themselves behind other SEC powers.

It is like that with Florida right now. Take the scenario of the Gators. It just takes a great coaching hire and a few classes and they can be rolling again.

I don't think Alabama is going away in next 3-4 years at least but I am not sure Saban has that much time left in him and then the pressure is on Alabama to find a replacement. Who knows, they could hire Kirby Smart

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Is it unlikely, perhaps? But with a couple of bad coaching hires and Alabama can go back into the Wilderness.

You point out the advantages of the South but you don't consider that Alabama can be a lot like Auburn, Florida, or Tennessee recently in that with a brutal schedule of having to compete against so many other teams (Oklahoma and Texas joining makes it worse), if they don't get hires right, they could find themselves behind other SEC powers.

It is like that with Florida right now. Take the scenario of the Gators. It just takes a great coaching hire and a few classes and they can be rolling again.

I don't think Alabama is going away in next 3-4 years at least but I am not sure Saban has that much time left in him and then the pressure is on Alabama to find a replacement. Who knows, they could hire Kirby Smart

We agree that coaching is what will determine it. I think the advantage they will have is that Satan will go out on top. The system will be in place and the next coach needs to not fuck it up. I said earlier it would Kiffin, but I take it back. It has to be a high-end recruiter. Someone like Dan Lanning if he does well at Oregon. But it has to be someone who knows the system at Bama or UGA and can carry it on.

The difference with UF is that Meyer left that place in shambles. It was so dysfunctional when he left. But for the NCs they would hate him for what he did to them. And. Fulmer waited too long. If Satan hangs on too long, that would great and maybe Bama does go into the wilderness for a decade or two.

I know you are kidding, but they will take a run at Smart. He's home, though, and having broken through has a chance to be the most successful coach ever, statues, field name, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lanning, and one no one is talking about is our DC right now, Glen Schuman. He's young, he and his wife went to Bama, he's been under Satan or Smart his entire career, and he's an unreal recruiter and an Xs and Os guy. We barely kept him this year ... we just bumped his salary to $1.9 million which means Bama came at him hard. I think he is taking the Smart approach ... stay at UGA for another 4 or 5 years, win NCs, get ready to be a HC, and then go in when Satan retires. It really is the mirror of Smart.

 

[Volbound1700]

We agree that coaching is what will determine it. I think the advantage they will have is that Satan will go out on top. The system will be in place and the next coach needs to not fuck it up. I said earlier it would Kiffin, but I take it back. It has to be a high-end recruiter. Someone like Dan Lanning if he does well at Oregon. But it has to be someone who knows the system at Bama or UGA and can carry it on.

The difference with UF is that Meyer left that place in shambles. It was so dysfunctional when he left. But for the NCs they would hate him for what he did to them. And. Fulmer waited too long. If Satan hangs on too long, that would great and maybe Bama does go into the wilderness for a decade or two.

I know you are kidding, but they will take a run at Smart. He's home, though, and having broken through has a chance to be the most successful coach ever, statues, field name, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lanning, and one no one is talking about is our DC right now, Glen Schuman. He's young, he and his wife went to Bama, he's been under Satan or Smart his entire career, and he's an unreal recruiter and an Xs and Os guy. We barely kept him this year ... we just bumped his salary to $1.9 million which means Bama came at him hard. I think he is taking the Smart approach ... stay at UGA for another 4 or 5 years, win NCs, get ready to be a HC, and then go in when Satan retires. It really is the mirror of Smart.

I pretty much agree with all of this. I eas definitely joking about Smart. He has it made at Georgia. Only place I could see him go would be NFL.

 

[Deep Creek]

LOL ... I really don't want to take it further. We both got a little off track. He and I clearly agree that it will be coaches that determine if a team stays a powerhouse. Some interesting ones coming up in the next 5 years:

- Tejas - do they have the right guy?
- OU - does a D oriented coach get them back to the top.
- NE - Rhule seems to be a great hire ... can he get them back to greatness.
- ATM - can Dumbo actually corch?
- UF - is Slingblade finally the right guy, or not?
- CU - Will Dabo change?
- What happens to UM and tOSU when both their coaches end up in the NFL?
- USC - How long does Riley get when he can't build a defense and gets abused in the B1G?
- UA - who replaces Satan? I think it will be Kiffin.
- AU - who replaces Freeze when he starts connecting with hookers on recruiting trips?
- UC - how quickly does Sanders move on because he sucks or he is good?

Will be fun to watch.

What are the answers to all those questions?

Aren’t lawyers taught to never ask a witness a question you don’t already know the answers to?