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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
To make the 4 team playoff a P5 team had to (for the most part) lose no more than 1 game. To make the 12 team playoff, 3 loss teams will regularly be in.
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You didn’t get my dig on my own team. Difficulty of my guys going 12-0 or 9-3 is the same. We ain’t gonna get to either one.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Considering we struggle to find 4 worthy teams in most years I doubt the first round is going to be that great.
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True but there always seems to be that team with 2-3 losses that no one wants to play... A good example this year (as much as I hate it) was Alabama. No one really wanted them even though they were definitely not a top 4 team record/performance wise.
 
@WhosYourDawggy,

Out of curiosity, how do companies measure/come up with TV Rankings.

For example if a game is on at a bar, do they just count the patrons at that bar or is it literally just counted by the # of TVs that are tuned into the game (or sources in general, TV is probably old fashion as you could have laptops, computers, phones, etc.).
 
Volbound1700 said:
@WhosYourDawggy,

Out of curiosity, how do companies measure/come up with TV Rankings.

For example if a game is on at a bar, do they just count the patrons at that bar or is it literally just counted by the # of TVs that are tuned into the game (or sources in general, TV is probably old fashion as you could have laptops, computers, phones, etc.).
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There's this company by the name of Nielsen and they do ratings.

It's called the Nielsen Ratings.
 
Red_Alert said:
There's this company by the name of Nielsen and they do ratings.

It's called the Nielsen Ratings.
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Yes but how are the ratings determined? Is it counted by devices watch the games or viewers? If by viewers, how do they come up with the numbers?

Here is the answer to my question that I could come up with:

theathletic.com

Sports on TV: The Ultimate Nielsen FAQ

Everything you need to know about the coin of the realm in the continually changing sports TV marketplace.
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There is some guestimation in the process (i.e., it isn't 100% exact).
 
BTW some highlights from Nielsen Data:

How many Nielsen households are there currently?

About 42,000, and within those homes are 120,000 televisions. Nielsen estimates there are 122.4 million total U.S. television homes in 2022.

Are Nielsen families paid?

Yes, but the company doesn’t disclose how much. It’s not a significant sum.

Why are the Nielsen numbers for live sports so often in the news?

Because Americans watch live sports in gargantuan numbers. The year’s most-watched program for decades has been the Super Bowl, and not much else comes close. In 2021, 47 of the top 50 most-watched telecasts were sports, either the game itself or the shoulder programming (which typically are pre- and post-game shows). Live sports remain the biggest content source that hasn’t seen the viewership declines experienced by most of the rest of TV.

How does Nielsen calculate viewership from just 40,000 households?

Like polling you see around elections, it’s based on statistical sampling and extrapolation. Based on the known demographics, Nielsen crunches the numbers to provide an estimate of how many people watched a particular program. The bigger the audience, such as the Super Bowl, the easier it is to get more accurate data on viewership.

What about away from home?

That’s known as out of home (OOH) viewing, which accounts for a huge number of people watching TV but until recently has only been measurable via a guesstimate. The advent of the PPMs meant OOH could be better measured. While it’s not perfect, the devices will register the strongest audio signal from TVs at a bar or restaurant. “That’s the challenge the engineers have,” Fuhrer said about perfecting OOH measurement. OOH formally became part of Nielsen data in September 2020.
 
Volbound1700 said:
BTW some highlights from Nielsen Data:

How many Nielsen households are there currently?

About 42,000, and within those homes are 120,000 televisions. Nielsen estimates there are 122.4 million total U.S. television homes in 2022.

Are Nielsen families paid?

Yes, but the company doesn’t disclose how much. It’s not a significant sum.

Why are the Nielsen numbers for live sports so often in the news?

Because Americans watch live sports in gargantuan numbers. The year’s most-watched program for decades has been the Super Bowl, and not much else comes close. In 2021, 47 of the top 50 most-watched telecasts were sports, either the game itself or the shoulder programming (which typically are pre- and post-game shows). Live sports remain the biggest content source that hasn’t seen the viewership declines experienced by most of the rest of TV.

How does Nielsen calculate viewership from just 40,000 households?

Like polling you see around elections, it’s based on statistical sampling and extrapolation. Based on the known demographics, Nielsen crunches the numbers to provide an estimate of how many people watched a particular program. The bigger the audience, such as the Super Bowl, the easier it is to get more accurate data on viewership.

What about away from home?

That’s known as out of home (OOH) viewing, which accounts for a huge number of people watching TV but until recently has only been measurable via a guesstimate. The advent of the PPMs meant OOH could be better measured. While it’s not perfect, the devices will register the strongest audio signal from TVs at a bar or restaurant. “That’s the challenge the engineers have,” Fuhrer said about perfecting OOH measurement. OOH formally became part of Nielsen data in September 2020.
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Basically what I said. I just dumbed it down for you.

I did the Nielsen Ratings thing by snail mail probably 10 years ago. They'd put a $1 bill in the envelope.
 
Red_Alert said:
Basically what I said. I just dumbed it down for you.

I did the Nielsen Ratings thing by snail mail probably 10 years ago. They'd put a $1 bill in the envelope.
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True but it isn't a fine science. Basically reading it, they only have a sample size and not entire population and they have no effective way of calculating viewership at Bars, etc.

Granted, it still matters because it is the system that everyone looks to to determine financial impact but it isn't 100% accurate.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True but there always seems to be that team with 2-3 losses that no one wants to play... A good example this year (as much as I hate it) was Alabama. No one really wanted them even though they were definitely not a top 4 team record/performance wise.
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Let's play that game. We get to watch Alabama beat the crap out of TCU.

Not appealing.

Seriously it's tough to get 4 good games out of the playoff. I get its more football shut up but if you are turning it off by half what is the point. How many of us seriously watched the second half of UGA vs TCU? I had the game on but was doing other things and definitely not entertained.
 
Volbound1700 said:
There is some guestimation in the process (i.e., it isn't 100% exact).
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Red_Alert said:
Basically what I said. I just dumbed it down for you.

I did the Nielsen Ratings thing by snail mail probably 10 years ago. They'd put a $1 bill in the envelope.
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I did that too this year and then they sent me $10 for keeping a radio log for a week (I listen to one station back and forth from work to home so easy).

You pay me I'll do your surveys.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Let's play that game. We get to watch Alabama beat the crap out of TCU.

Not appealing.

Seriously it's tough to get 4 good games out of the playoff. I get its more football shut up but if you are turning it off by half what is the point. How many of us seriously watched the second half of UGA vs TCU? I had the game on but was doing other things and definitely not entertained.
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I see your point but you never know, sports has crazy things happen. TCU upset Michigan which most people did not expect. Any given Saturday... I think we will have Cinderellas in CFB as well.

I am pretty Confident that the playoffs will end up expanding to at least 16 in the near future. This isn't going to slow down.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Let's play that game. We get to watch Alabama beat the crap out of TCU.

Not appealing.

Seriously it's tough to get 4 good games out of the playoff. I get its more football shut up but if you are turning it off by half what is the point. How many of us seriously watched the second half of UGA vs TCU? I had the game on but was doing other things and definitely not entertained.
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^^ THIS ^^

I'll have 3 or 4 games in my rotation. I'll tend to gravitate to the more competitive games that are on.

If a game's a blowout I might click back to it when the more competitive game goes to commercial, but only for a couple minutes.
 
Red_Alert said:
^^ THIS ^^

I'll have 3 or 4 games in my rotation. I'll tend to gravitate to the more competitive games that are on.

If a game's a blowout I might click back to it when the more competitive game goes to commercial, but only for a couple minutes.
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I mean this is pretty much everyone :) unless your team is the one handing out the blow out.
 
ELTEXAN said:
So you’d be okay with a six-game regular season and a 128-team playoff?
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Hell, make it a 3 game regular season to tune up (or call it preseason) and then have a double elimination tournament. Lose twice and your season is over. Better get gud.
 
Red_Alert said:
^^ THIS ^^

I'll have 3 or 4 games in my rotation. I'll tend to gravitate to the more competitive games that are on.

If a game's a blowout I might click back to it when the more competitive game goes to commercial, but only for a couple minutes.
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I’m with you. I may start out with the most “intriguing” game. But if it gets lopsided quickly I’m off to a more competitive game.

Which is why 99% of those cupcake OOC games suck. I’d rather watch a close 1-10 Northwestern vs 2-9 Rutgers game the next to last playing date than watch Bama route Western Carolina.
 
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