Memphis To The Big 12?

Agree. That’s why I don’t understand the opposition to Utah. They are by far the best football program that the Big 12 can add right now. And it’s more than just the success they had the last two years. They’ve made major investments in their infrastructure that should give them staying power. They should be the top target of the big 12 IMO

And for some reason people are talking about adding Memphis or UConn over them. It seems insane to me.
Agree. Not questioning football or athletic department quality at all. Utah would be a great add. They just wouldn't bring the viewership numbers the old brands do. I'm just saying that IMO, there is only one addition the Big 12, the ACC and the PAC 12 could add that would get them close to what the B1G and SEC media deal are providing...and we all know who that is.
 
Agree. Not questioning football or athletic department quality at all. Utah would be a great add. They just wouldn't bring the viewership numbers the old brands do. I'm just saying that IMO, there is only one addition the Big 12, the ACC and the PAC 12 could add that would get them close to what the B1G and SEC media deal are providing...and we all know who that is.

ND isn’t joining the PAC or Big 12. ACC seems like an extreme long shot
 
I'm agreeing with you on the point the Big 12 doesn't need to be grabbing a bunch of G5s like you mentioned. I think they only one of the last four that brought much to the "viewership" table was BYU...and only then because of the size of the LDS church. Houston damn sure doesn't bring those numbers and I doubt Cincy will unless they have seasons like they did a couple of years ago. Same for UCF. Even if they are in Florida and huge enrollment wise, they don't draw the eyeballs necessary to get the media to throw more money into the deal. Just like Houston didn't add any more eyeballs to the conference that TCU, Baylor and Tech didn't already have.

I think where we disagree is in adding the four corner P5 schools. While they might bring more eyeballs than BYU, Cincy, UCF and Houston does, they still aren't an "anchor" store that would bring the amount necessary to replace the ones Texas and OU took with them to the SEC. Even collectively the four doesn't bring what the two took.

Let's play this out and say they even went to 16 and included the four corner schools.
Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, West Virginia, BYU, UCF, Houston, Cincy, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah. Tell me which one of those ALONE do you think would command 4 million+ viewers in games? All of them MIGHT if they had late season success like TCU did last year. But I'm talking just run of the mill normal viewership. They just aren't going to bring the television money with them by themselves. (The B1G and SEC wouldn't either if they didn't have their "anchors.")

I'm not even talking about quality football or basketball. Collectively, that list is a very good group and might have the most parity of any conference. Be fun to watch. Heck, the case could be made that group would be just as good or better than the Big 2 in the middle and bottom.
Bud where I’m differing is just because these P5 teams don’t reach 4 million viewers doesn’t mean they are at the same level as the G5’s. There is a plethora of other advantages P5s hold. I know viewership is important but it Doesn’t make programs equal even if the their viewer numbers are.
 
Agree. That’s why I don’t understand the opposition to Utah. They are by far the best football program that the Big 12 can add right now. And it’s more than just the success they had the last two years. They’ve made major investments in their infrastructure that should give them staying power. They should be the top target of the big 12 IMO

And for some reason people are talking about adding Memphis or UConn over them. It seems insane to me.
I think the Utah stuff is just overblown from Twitter. No decisions makers have done anything to ruin a chance for them. But I do think they are waiting until they absolutely have to move. They are a food academic institution and they like the PAC for that. I don’t blame them one bit.
 
you guys know they are going after UCONN and Gonzaga right? they want to be the #1 basketball conference in the nation

 
I think the Utah stuff is just overblown from Twitter. No decisions makers have done anything to ruin a chance for them. But I do think they are waiting until they absolutely have to move. They are a food academic institution and they like the PAC for that. I don’t blame them one bit.

I agree with this 100%. They are probably holding out longer than those other schools but that's because they have more to offer IMO. I think they will ultimately find the best landing spot for them is the Big 12 unless the PAC finds a quality deal quickly.
 
Bud where I’m differing is just because these P5 teams don’t reach 4 million viewers doesn’t mean they are at the same level as the G5’s. There is a plethora of other advantages P5s hold. I know viewership is important but it Doesn’t make programs equal even if the their viewer numbers are.
But that seems to be the ONLY thing that matters nowadays. And I agree there are a lot of advantages the P5s hold over G5s. When he was at TCU Del Conte said the difference in revenue they got going from G5 to P5 allowed them to do a lot more things they wouldn't have been able to...mainly coaching salaries and benefits to other sports. But that revenue increase TCU enjoyed was due to Texas and OU being conference members more than the rest of the league.
 
But that seems to be the ONLY thing that matters nowadays. And I agree there are a lot of advantages the P5s hold over G5s. When he was at TCU Del Conte said the difference in revenue they got going from G5 to P5 allowed them to do a lot more things they wouldn't have been able to...mainly coaching salaries and benefits to other sports. But that revenue increase TCU enjoyed was due to Texas and OU being conference members more than the rest of the league.
When viewership is equal go with the already proven commodity which is P5. And that revenue increase was due to being a P5, not just the two blue bloods in the league. Yes of course playing them helps.
 
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