Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

Michigan is the only team to beat Ohio State 2 years in row since USC did in 2008 & 2009

The last conference team to do it was Wisconsin in 2003 & 2004.
What sucks for OSU fans -- it will be three times in a row after this year. :shrug:

After this year -- Good lord, I have no idea what UM looks like and we lose almost everyone on offense and ton of our defense. So we could be in for some ankle grabbing, unless that 5* Jadyn Davis is an absolute stud at QB and carries our team.
 
IIRC, Herbs and Jimbo didn’t leave UF and FSU in very good shape respectively. Herbs left Day a lot better program. About 180 opposite of what he left UF. (Looks like Patterson left Dykes a program in good shape too.)
In the 4 seasons after Urban left, the average Florida recruiting class was ranked 6/7 in the nation, with two of those classes being top 5. This excuse is ridiculous. OSU has still been elite after him. It isn't like he chose to leave Florida in shambles while OSU was in good shape, Florida is just a shitty program.
 
The difference between "top 6" and winning a national title is ENORMOUS. It isn't meant as disrespect to the Wisconsin program, but they will simply never be able to recruit like the elite programs.

Never is a strong word. So it isn't fair to use that. But they have 0 in 134 years and now with an extended playoff, where you are going to have to win 3 games in the playoff to win a title -- I'm not sure we will see that happen. And believe me -- I say the same thing about Michigan. We will need the stars to align or for Harbaugh to really pick up steam recruiting and pull in a string of top 5 recruiting classes, if they want to ever win a title again. I'm not holding my breath.
In Fickel we trust. If he can get a CFP team at Cincinnati, he can certainly do it at Wisconsin.
 
In Fickel we trust. If he can get a CFP team at Cincinnati, he can certainly do it at Wisconsin.
If Wisconsin plays a G5 schedule -- he definitely can. The problem is -- they have to face a 9 game schedule of P5 conference games, then has to beat the B1G East champ.

And not to knock Fickel -- I think he is a solid coach, but the stars aligned for Cincy. Sauce Gardner is a one in a million recruit -- the kid was 5'9 or 5'10, 155 lbs and ran a 4.6 as a senior in High School. He went to HS 10 minutes from where i live. He grew 3 or 4 inches, put on like 50 lbs and started running a 4.3/4.4. Gardner was 163rd in the nation, not overall, but the 163rd ranked CB coming out of HS.

Saying Fickel made the CFP at Cincy he can do it at Wisconsin is like saying, New England drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round and became a dynasty, so they will definitely do it again.
 
If Wisconsin plays a G5 schedule -- he definitely can. The problem is -- they have to face a 9 game schedule of P5 conference games, then has to beat the B1G East champ.

And not to knock Fickel -- I think he is a solid coach, but the stars aligned for Cincy. Sauce Gardner is a one in a million recruit -- the kid was 5'9 or 5'10, 155 lbs and ran a 4.6 as a senior in High School. He went to HS 10 minutes from where i live. He grew 3 or 4 inches, put on like 50 lbs and started running a 4.3/4.4. Gardner was 163rd in the nation, not overall, but the 163rd ranked CB coming out of HS.

Saying Fickel made the CFP at Cincy he can do it at Wisconsin is like saying, New England drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round and became a dynasty, so they will definitely do it again.
Just another piece of the puzzle. I, too, think that Wisky has a recruiting issue but that can be fixed, hopefully still keep the better in-state guys at home. We may have struck out with Mertz, but maybe next time we don't. Yes, Top 10 recruiting classes are needed to compete, but Wisconsin is positioned to start landing a string of them.

Ps. How many B1G schools could have beaten Cincinnati that year?
 
If Wisconsin plays a G5 schedule -- he definitely can. The problem is -- they have to face a 9 game schedule of P5 conference games, then has to beat the B1G East champ.

And not to knock Fickel -- I think he is a solid coach, but the stars aligned for Cincy. Sauce Gardner is a one in a million recruit -- the kid was 5'9 or 5'10, 155 lbs and ran a 4.6 as a senior in High School. He went to HS 10 minutes from where i live. He grew 3 or 4 inches, put on like 50 lbs and started running a 4.3/4.4. Gardner was 163rd in the nation, not overall, but the 163rd ranked CB coming out of HS.

Saying Fickel made the CFP at Cincy he can do it at Wisconsin is like saying, New England drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round and became a dynasty, so they will definitely do it again.
You're acting as if Gardner was the only good player on the team. For starters, it was his teammate that won the Thorpe Award in his final year. From 2000-2020, Cincy put 7 guys in the draft in the first 3 rounds. In the past three drafts, they've had 6 of them. He built that team from the bottom up with largely no-name recruits and the results were amazing. They obviously lost their CFP game, but it took Bama until the 4th quarter to finally put that game away. I know Wisconsin doesn't crush it in recruiting, but they do much better than Cincinnati. I think he has them back in the CCG by next season and possibly in the CFP in the next 5 years if he stays.
 
Michigan is the only team to beat Ohio State 2 years in row since USC did in 2008 & 2009

The last conference team to do it was Wisconsin in 2003 & 2004.
I'd like a shot at that this coming CFP!
 
Yea FSU was pretty decent last year and they should be very good this year in the ACC. Problem is after this year when they lose a lot of the guys who are making them good, we will see how they reload and if Norvell can keep it going.
Isn't this kind of interesting ... the SEC is getting ripped for playing 8 games, but anyone that wants to get into the CFP is going to play 4 or 5 of UGA, Bama, Texas, OU, UTjr, Auburn, UF or LSU, and then likely play UGA or Bama in the SECCG.

Meanwhile, we are talking here about FSU getting back to being relevant and all they have to do is beat Clemson and UF.
 
In the 4 seasons after Urban left, the average Florida recruiting class was ranked 6/7 in the nation, with two of those classes being top 5. This excuse is ridiculous. OSU has still been elite after him. It isn't like he chose to leave Florida in shambles while OSU was in good shape, Florida is just a shitty program.
I don't care if they had #1 classes those seasons, UF and FSU were left shit shows by those two.
 
You're acting as if Gardner was the only good player on the team. For starters, it was his teammate that won the Thorpe Award in his final year. From 2000-2020, Cincy put 7 guys in the draft in the first 3 rounds. In the past three drafts, they've had 6 of them. He built that team from the bottom up with largely no-name recruits and the results were amazing. They obviously lost their CFP game, but it took Bama until the 4th quarter to finally put that game away. I know Wisconsin doesn't crush it in recruiting, but they do much better than Cincinnati. I think he has them back in the CCG by next season and possibly in the CFP in the next 5 years if he stays.
Does Wisconsin recruit better than Cincy? Yes. Wisconsin also plays a light years more difficult schedule than Cincy played the year they went to the CFP.

And I agree -- you can hit the lottery on a string of guys, but there is a reason you don't see parity in CFB. It isn't realistic to think any team is going to show up without elite recruiting classes and now have to beat multiple teams, who will likely all have elite recruits all over their roster.

The NFL has parity because the worst teams get the top draft picks. CFB is the exact opposite. The best teams continue to bring in the top recruiting classes. It won't change any time soon, unless they completely overhauled how recruiting is handled, which they would never do.

Michigan recruits light years better than Wisconsin will ever be able to and I don't see Michigan winning a national title unless the stars aligned and every ball bounced our way. The talent differential in the top programs is that big. This year coming up will be one of the only shots Michigan will have, as they have their entire offense coming back and most of their top defensive players coming back sans their DT. Even with that -- I STILL don't give Michigan much of a shot to win a title.
 
Just another piece of the puzzle. I, too, think that Wisky has a recruiting issue but that can be fixed, hopefully still keep the better in-state guys at home. We may have struck out with Mertz, but maybe next time we don't. Yes, Top 10 recruiting classes are needed to compete, but Wisconsin is positioned to start landing a string of them.

Ps. How many B1G schools could have beaten Cincinnati that year?
Problem is there is usually only 3-4 spots available in the top 10. Seems the frickin' SEC takes up 6-7 spots.
 
If Wisconsin plays a G5 schedule -- he definitely can. The problem is -- they have to face a 9 game schedule of P5 conference games, then has to beat the B1G East champ.

And not to knock Fickel -- I think he is a solid coach, but the stars aligned for Cincy. Sauce Gardner is a one in a million recruit -- the kid was 5'9 or 5'10, 155 lbs and ran a 4.6 as a senior in High School. He went to HS 10 minutes from where i live. He grew 3 or 4 inches, put on like 50 lbs and started running a 4.3/4.4. Gardner was 163rd in the nation, not overall, but the 163rd ranked CB coming out of HS.

Saying Fickel made the CFP at Cincy he can do it at Wisconsin is like saying, New England drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round and became a dynasty, so they will definitely do it again.

Wisconsin can pretty easily make a 12 team CFP considering they already would have done it 3 times.
 
Wisconsin can pretty easily make a 12 team CFP considering they already would have done it 3 times.
No doubt. A ton of teams will be making the 12 team CFP. But a ton of teams making the 12 team CFP will have zero chance to win a national title. They can't even find 4 teams worthy of a title shot. Now there will be 8 more teams added to it.
 
No doubt. A ton of teams will be making the 12 team CFP. But a ton of teams making the 12 team CFP will have zero chance to win a national title. They can't even find 4 teams worthy of a title shot. Now there will be 8 more teams added to it.
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No doubt. A ton of teams will be making the 12 team CFP. But a ton of teams making the 12 team CFP will have zero chance to win a national title. They can't even find 4 teams worthy of a title shot. Now there will be 8 more teams added to it.

Sure, but you were pretty dismissive, about them making the CFP earlier. Unless you were talking about a 4-team CFP.
 
Sure, but you were pretty dismissive, about them making the CFP earlier. Unless you were talking about a 4-team CFP.
Winning a title is what I was talking about. With the watered down CFP we will soon have, they will have tons of teams going to the CFP who have no shot at actually winning the title.
 
I don't care if they had #1 classes those seasons, UF and FSU were left shit shows by those two.
And that just doesn't make any sense. Feel free to actually explain the "shit show" he left, but it isn't Urban's fault that Florida has been perpetually shitty at finding a good HC since he left.
 
Does Wisconsin recruit better than Cincy? Yes. Wisconsin also plays a light years more difficult schedule than Cincy played the year they went to the CFP.

And I agree -- you can hit the lottery on a string of guys, but there is a reason you don't see parity in CFB. It isn't realistic to think any team is going to show up without elite recruiting classes and now have to beat multiple teams, who will likely all have elite recruits all over their roster.

The NFL has parity because the worst teams get the top draft picks. CFB is the exact opposite. The best teams continue to bring in the top recruiting classes. It won't change any time soon, unless they completely overhauled how recruiting is handled, which they would never do.

Michigan recruits light years better than Wisconsin will ever be able to and I don't see Michigan winning a national title unless the stars aligned and every ball bounced our way. The talent differential in the top programs is that big. This year coming up will be one of the only shots Michigan will have, as they have their entire offense coming back and most of their top defensive players coming back sans their DT. Even with that -- I STILL don't give Michigan much of a shot to win a title.
Saying Fickell "hit the lottery" is very ignorant. That doesn't just happen by luck, he's just a very good coach. Also SOS in 2021 is irrelevant when it's made up in recruiting and the portal, two things that will be stepped up considerably for Fickell at Wisconsin.

Also michigan recruits so much better than Wisconsin but has had much worse coaching, hence why Wisconsin has been so much better in the CFP era overall. Not a very good comparison.
 
And that just doesn't make any sense. Feel free to actually explain the "shit show" he left, but it isn't Urban's fault that Florida has been perpetually shitty at finding a good HC since he left.

Mullen did pretty good at UF. It was probably an overreaction to fire him based on results, but the fans definitely wanted him out. Top 10 finishes in 2018 and 2019 and top 15 in 2020.

As far as it relates to Urban, I do think the uncertainty with him didn't help things. They had a bad class after he left in 2010(as it relates to UF at the time) and that was right around when Bama, FSU and Clemson started to take a ton of high level players in Florida. The 2011 and 2012 rosters weren't very good on the offensive side of the ball, although they did have a lot of talent on defense. But, maybe given the HC and DC(Dan Quinn), they focused more on that side, and obviously had an elite DC at the time. Needless to say Muschamp's hires at OC in hindsight were pretty terrible, and that might be why the offense struggled, but the talent was also lacking a little on that side of the ball. I have no doubt with Urban and whoever at OC, they likely perform better though. But even then they lacked what they had on the roster between like 2006-2009.
 
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