Does it really matter how many IC games or P5 games you play?

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There is another thread on this, but I wanted to change the direction a bit. Here is that thread:

Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

SEC: 2 of 14
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I happen to support 9 game IC scheduling, and I am a fan of a team that schedules OOC as good as any other team. Don't even come at me with this year's OOC ... we know we had an away game at OU that was cancelled and we couldn't get a P5 to play us with the last notice.

But, for all the people bitching about it, does it really matter? I mean when the SEC plays away against the other P5, we win. Not just in NCs, but in all away OOC games, including bowl games. So, at the end of the day I want 9 IC games, too, but it doesn't really matter if when we do play other P5 teams we win, does it? FWIW, I know that playing 8 IC games means a team or two get into bowls they wouldn't get into, but even with those crappier teams - that means our 11th, 12th and 13th best teams are playing and likely losing in these games - we still have a winning record, and a better record than the B1G and therefore the other P5. Here is a good Twitter post on this:

 
WhosYourDawggy said:
There is another thread on this, but I wanted to change the direction a bit. Here is that thread:

Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

SEC: 2 of 14
hooplanation.com

I happen to support 9 game IC scheduling, and I am a fan of a team that schedules OOC as good as any other team. Don't even come at me with this year's OOC ... we know we had an away game at OU that was cancelled and we couldn't get a P5 to play us with the last notice.

But, for all the people bitching about it, does it really matter? I mean when the SEC plays away against the other P5, we win. Not just in NCs, but in all away OOC games, including bowl games. So, at the end of the day I want 9 IC games, too, but it doesn't really matter if when we do play other P5 teams we win, does it? FWIW, I know that playing 8 IC games means a team or two get into bowls they wouldn't get into, but even with those crappier teams - that means our 11th, 12th and 13th best teams are playing and likely losing in these games - we still have a winning record, and a better record than the B1G and therefore the other P5. Here is a good Twitter post on this:

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Someone explain the SEC having a 64% record against the B1G and the B1G having a 38% record against the SEC?
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
But, for all the people bitching about it, does it really matter? I mean when the SEC plays away against the other P5, we win. Not just in NCs, but in all away OOC games, including bowl games. So, at the end of the day I want 9 IC games, too, but it doesn't really matter if when we do play other P5 teams we win, does it? FWIW, I know that playing 8 IC games means a team or two get into bowls they wouldn't get into, but even with those crappier teams - that means our 11th, 12th and 13th best teams are playing and likely losing in these games - we still have a winning record, and a better record than the B1G and therefore the other P5. Here is a good Twitter post on this:
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while mostly true its not entirely true.
should throw in some "usually" and take out "all"
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
There is another thread on this, but I wanted to change the direction a bit. Here is that thread:

Conference teams that played 10 P5 opponents in 2022...

SEC: 2 of 14
hooplanation.com

I happen to support 9 game IC scheduling, and I am a fan of a team that schedules OOC as good as any other team. Don't even come at me with this year's OOC ... we know we had an away game at OU that was cancelled and we couldn't get a P5 to play us with the last notice.

But, for all the people bitching about it, does it really matter? I mean when the SEC plays away against the other P5, we win. Not just in NCs, but in all away OOC games, including bowl games. So, at the end of the day I want 9 IC games, too, but it doesn't really matter if when we do play other P5 teams we win, does it? FWIW, I know that playing 8 IC games means a team or two get into bowls they wouldn't get into, but even with those crappier teams - that means our 11th, 12th and 13th best teams are playing and likely losing in these games - we still have a winning record, and a better record than the B1G and therefore the other P5. Here is a good Twitter post on this:
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With the CFP expanding to 12 games -- who cares if anyone plays 8 or 9. Don't matter who you play OOC. All that stuff only mattered when it was tough to make the CFP. That won't be the case going forward.
 
I'm in favor of 9 games because of scheduling.. home/away games every 4 years while protecting 3 traditional/rivalry games. I get why MSU, KY, Vandy want 8 CG and 3 FCS schools OOC.. Saban/Bama crying about it's 3 games.. is also expected..

But those losers gotta get with it.. play the 9 conference games.. Let them schedule 1 P5 school and 2 FCS schools for all I care.. but you gotta play 9 conference games..

I like how UT schedules aggressively.. it was needed in the current makeup of the Big12 conference to sell more season tickets. I don't expect KY or Vandy to follow suit because they are fucking losers and are banking for once in a generation good seasons scheduling like this.. But they need to stop with the 8 games.. they beat their chest about finishing 6-6 in the SEC.. but when you look closer they ended up going 2-6 in the SEC.. So if they want to sell smoke and mirrors go for it.. but you better do it with 9 conference games.

Don't worry, UT is adamant about 9 games, they will muscle themselves into getting it.. UT/ou/ark/Mizzu/aggy and lsu will be in lock step and they will control the SEC in no time..

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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
With the CFP expanding to 12 games -- who cares if anyone plays 8 or 9. Don't matter who you play OOC. All that stuff only mattered when it was tough to make the CFP. That won't be the case going forward.
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i would want to play FCS only schools too when I am about to get my ass whipped at home to UT in Sept '24 too--michigan fans
 
Thiefery said:
Don't worry, UT is adamant about 9 games, they will muscle themselves into getting it.. UT/ou/ark/Mizzu/aggy and lsu will be in lock step and they will control the SEC in no time..
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Thiefery said:
i would want to play FCS only schools too when I am about to get my ass whipped at home to UT in Sept '24 too--michigan fans
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Michigan already plays powerhouse teams like Maryland, who housed Texas in back to back years. We should be able to play FCS schools. :)

All jokes aside -- I can't even talk trash about 2024, as I have no clue what UM will even look like. We will have probably 15-16 starters leaving after 2023. I believe we will lose our entire OL, our QB, our top 2 RB's, our top 2 WR's and so many guys on our defense as well. Will Johnson, who will be one of the top CB's in country this year as a true sophomore will be back and Colston Loveland, who is our top TE will be back. Other than that -- I'm not sure who we will have and who will even be our QB. We have a 5* QB coming in, but all our depth at QB, transferred out.
 
Thiefery said:
Don't worry, UT is adamant about 9 games, they will muscle themselves into getting it.. UT/ou/ark/Mizzu/aggy and lsu will be in lock step and they will control the SEC in no time..
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Give'em hell Longhorn.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Someone explain the SEC having a 64% record against the B1G and the B1G having a 38% record against the SEC?
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Those are the away games for both conferences. So the left column shows SEC away and neutral games, including bowls. The right column shows B1G away and neutral games including bowls. The neutral games would be the same, but the away games aren't the same games so they don't equal 100%.

We'd have to look it up, but it basically means that when the SEC plays the B1G away, they win 64% of the time, but when the B1G plays the SEC they only win 38% of the time. For that to really mean anything, we would have to dig into the games. How many SEC wins are against Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers v. tOSU, PSU, UM, etc. Same with the B1G playing Vandy v. UGA/Bama/LSU.
 
Thiefery said:
I'm in favor of 9 games because of scheduling.. home/away games every 4 years while protecting 3 traditional/rivalry games. I get why MSU, KY, Vandy want 8 CG and 3 FCS schools OOC.. Saban/Bama crying about it's 3 games.. is also expected..

But those losers gotta get with it.. play the 9 conference games.. Let them schedule 1 P5 school and 2 FCS schools for all I care.. but you gotta play 9 conference games..

I like how UT schedules aggressively.. it was needed in the current makeup of the Big12 conference to sell more season tickets. I don't expect KY or Vandy to follow suit because they are fucking losers and are banking for once in a generation good seasons scheduling like this.. But they need to stop with the 8 games.. they beat their chest about finishing 6-6 in the SEC.. but when you look closer they ended up going 2-6 in the SEC.. So if they want to sell smoke and mirrors go for it.. but you better do it with 9 conference games.

Don't worry, UT is adamant about 9 games, they will muscle themselves into getting it.. UT/ou/ark/Mizzu/aggy and lsu will be in lock step and they will control the SEC in no time..

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I agree with the 9 IC games, but as more is coming out as to why they aren't going to 9 it seems rational. Basically, they are saying that the CFP/BCS has never looked past losses to determine if a, as an example, 3 loss team might be better than a 2 loss team. What is being said is that they want to see how the CFP is going to treat SOS in the CFP when teams with different loss totals are compared. And I know others will roll their eyes, but the SEC believes that 8 games in the SEC is harder than 9 games in other conferences. You don't have to believe that, but they do. And, if you believe that, then you believe your 2 and 3 loss teams playing 9 games are better than teams in other conferences that lose 1 or 2 losses. They are going to wait to see what the CFP does. Or, they are going to wait to see if ESPN will give them more money for the additonal games.

Again, I want a 9 game IC schedule for the fans. But I can see their rationale, and they really don't give a flying fuck if others don't agree. It just means more.

Oh, yeah, fuck that SW conference throwing their weight around bullshit. You should especially keep Vandy out of your fucking mouth: :beer2:

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They should move to 9 conference games. The expanded playoff makes the extra losses point less valid IMO. That said, I understand why from a business perspective the SEC is holding out until ESPN pays them more for the extra conference game. ESPN would be getting more valuable content and the SEC wants to be compensated for it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Those are the away games for both conferences. So the left column shows SEC away and neutral games, including bowls. The right column shows B1G away and neutral games including bowls. The neutral games would be the same, but the away games aren't the same games so they don't equal 100%.

We'd have to look it up, but it basically means that when the SEC plays the B1G away, they win 64% of the time, but when the B1G plays the SEC they only win 38% of the time. For that to really mean anything, we would have to dig into the games. How many SEC wins are against Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers v. tOSU, PSU, UM, etc. Same with the B1G playing Vandy v. UGA/Bama/LSU.
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A true away game between SEC and B1G since 2013 is probably a pretty small sample size. I'd have to guess no more than 5 games total. The neutral games you will get argument bc almost all of them all are bowls whose locations notoriously favors the SEC. For example the neutral game between Ohio State and Georgia played in Atlanta, or the neutral game between Nebraska and Tennessee played in Nashville
 
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