OREGON arriving in the B1G will create changes

Across The Field said:
From a scheduling standpoint, I can't imagine a year where Oregon would miss OSU, PSU, michigan, USC, Washington, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Any of those teams can beat Oregon in any given year, if not be the favorite over Oregon. Losing 2 conference games will almost certainly mean you're not making the CCG.
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Of course they will never miss all of them. But there could be years where any of the new teams at least miss both Michigan and Ohio State. Say what you will about the challenge of beating the more tier 2 teams you mentioned there, but we should agree playing Penn state is not the same as Ohio State.

Likewise, the 4 new additions are not coming in as bottom dwellers. Any could be a tier 2 team with an odd tier 1 year and would not expect any to drop to tier 3 for long on a bad cycle.

That means more potential hurdles for the rest of the existing conference vs what they have right now.

No one yet knows how they are going to setup the schedules. We just know it's going to be hard to make equity across that many teams.
 
Across The Field said:
That's demonstrably false.
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Nope. It is more objective than looking at it through B1G homer glasses.

Some people confuse B1G revenue numbers with football performance. With that amount of revenue, those teams’ performance should be as you view it through those B1G homer glasses. But the cold hard truth is, it ain’t.
 
Kburjr said:
They are lifers now. Still have a little outsider stink to them, tho.
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I don't see how the PAC teams will ever get that stank off. It's just weird. Weirder for basketball.
 
UbetterDUCK said:
Ahhh - in 2021 Oregon is ahead of some blue bloods.
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Blue blood generally means “has been program that was good before WW2 and has been largely irrelevant since”

I don’t care if UGA wins 10 straight natties, I never want them to be considered a blue blood
 
Wizardhawk said:
Of course they will never miss all of them. But there could be years where any of the new teams at least miss both Michigan and Ohio State. Say what you will about the challenge of beating the more tier 2 teams you mentioned there, but we should agree playing Penn state is not the same as Ohio State.

Likewise, the 4 new additions are not coming in as bottom dwellers. Any could be a tier 2 team with an odd tier 1 year and would not expect any to drop to tier 3 for long on a bad cycle.

That means more potential hurdles for the rest of the existing conference vs what they have right now.

No one yet knows how they are going to setup the schedules. We just know it's going to be hard to make equity across that many teams.
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I don't disagree with anything you say. You could argue all 4, or at least 3/4 are coming in as tier 2 B1G teams with the potential to make waves. What I'm saying is that these 4 teams are leaving behind the Pac-12 which was basically Utah and an occasional popup year from Oregon State or Wazzu to now having the B1G which is objectively a better conference.
 
Across The Field said:
I don't disagree with anything you say. You could argue all 4, or at least 3/4 are coming in as tier 2 B1G teams with the potential to make waves. What I'm saying is that these 4 teams are leaving behind the Pac-12 which was basically Utah and an occasional popup year from Oregon State or Wazzu to now having the B1G which is objectively a better conference.
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Yep, there's a reason that Rose Bowl deteriorated to PAC Champ vs B1G #2 or 3.
 
Deep Creek said:
Nope. It is more objective than looking at it through B1G homer glasses.

Some people confuse B1G revenue numbers with football performance. With that amount of revenue, those teams’ performance should be as you view it through those B1G homer glasses. But the cold hard truth is, it ain’t.
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No, it's demonstrably false. As in, you can demonstrate how it is false. Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and even Minnesota are ahead of every Pac-12 team not coming to the B1G outside of Utah in winning % during the CFP era.
 
Across The Field said:
No, it's demonstrably false. As in, you can demonstrate how it is false. Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and even Minnesota are ahead of every Pac-12 team not coming to the B1G outside of Utah in winning % during the CFP era.
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Using winning percentage is a goofy stat to use…but if it helps you rationalize already established views in your head, go ahead.
 
UbetterDUCK said:
Ahhh - in 2021 Oregon is ahead of some blue bloods.
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Oregon has recruited well. They've come into Nebraska and taken some of our best talent. Part of my beef with Frost was he was unable to keep local talent home.

The Big 10's gonna have some interesting coaches that are early in their careers at their respective schools in 2024.

Southern Cal: Riley in year 3.
Oregon: Lanning in year 3.
Washington: DeBoer in year 3.
Nebraska: Rhule in year 2.
Wisconsin: Fickell in year 2.
Purdue: Walters in year 2.
Northwestern?: Braun is just 'Interim' for 2023, so he'll either be in year 2 or they'll have a new coach.
 
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Across The Field said:
Sure, it wouldn't be surprising. It's happened before obviously, depending on the ups and downs of other teams. I do think the quality of competition in the B1G is going to be particularly challenging early on though. For example, in 2024, USC faces michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and at PSU. I think they drop 2-3 of those games realistically, assuming Fickell doesn't fall on his face (which isn't likely).
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Those schedules will have to be re-done now.
 
Deep Creek said:
Using winning percentage is a goofy stat to use…but if it helps you rationalize already established views in your head, go ahead.
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As opposed to "trust me on this, I'm right", it's not so goofy.
 
Kburjr said:
Sure, include them, if you want. I thought you were talking about conference schedules, tho.
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Even if it were conference schedules only, no way an AAC team plays a conference slate as difficult as an SEC, B1G, etc. Even if said G5 team played 3 P5s OOC.
 
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