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When you’re Cal, Stanford & SMU.
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The BIG 12 just might be the most entertaining conference by the end of this
West, East, South and...
leftovers?
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If true I don’t know what’s more surprising, UNC voting NO or Miami voting YES
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Pitt was the loudest voice screaming NO when Penn State wanted to join the BigEast, they also sucked Notre Dames nuts until the Irish milked the BE dry as well (just like they are doing the ACC), those people never "get it" til it's all over. The BigEast may well still be a viable football conference had some of the members had any vision past their own noses and swallowed their pride , most believed basketball was all they would ever need.
They (Pitt) were fortunate to land in the ACC when they raided the BigEast, they won't be heading to a P2 next time imo BUT I also think the ACC could come out of its impending raid and look alot like the Big12 as far as parity and evenly matched teams. I feel certain WVU,Cincinnati, UCF would ALL jump the fence if the ACC were to lift its skirt, even without FSU,Clemson, UNC and/or Miami.
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They would move if there was pay. Problem is ESPN doesn't appear to be willing to increase the pay for much of anything. That's why some of those ACC schools want out as it is.
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Assuming that there would only be 3-4 schools leaving the ACC I believe they could negotiate something similar as the Big12 deal with SOMEONE once the moves are all made.
Barring some kind of merger, which may be the best move for both in the end who knows
, the moves would weaken both the ACC/B12 some financially but it also would cut down on some of the travel costs plus bring back some traditional rivalry games which most fans like so .. the numbers would just have to be ran and proposed to the media partner to make sure it’s worth it.JMO and depending on who/how many goes where, I think it would be very possible.
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Right now WVU would be stupid to jump to the ACC. Of course we’ll always be wondering if other teams will get a chance to bail to the P2 but imo it’s much more likely to happen in the ACC with old foes then where we are. Plus as WT2 mentioned there is no guarantee the money would be similar let alone more. Better to just stand pat and see what happens at the moment imo.
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why would ESPN pay more if the value isn't there? They are still getting more than the Big12.. Sure value goes up if FSU/Clemson and UNC are in the SEC or BiG... but it's not going up in the current ACC.. outside if ND joins
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Right now WVU would be stupid to jump to the ACC. Of course we’ll always be wondering if other teams will get a chance to bail to the P2 but imo it’s much more likely to happen in the ACC with old foes then where we are. Plus as WT2 mentioned there is no guarantee the money would be similar let alone more. Better to just stand pat and see what happens at the moment imo.
For the time being I agree, no sense jumping AND no sense for the ACC to do anything until the time draws nearer to the end of the media deals.
To me:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Cincinnati
WVU
VT
NC State
UCF
Wake Forest
Duke
Miami
GT
Ain’t all that much different than
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Oklahoma State
Arizona
ASU
Texas Tech
Houston
Baylor
TCU
Kansas
KU
When it comes to market value imo and both would wind up with similar deals and payouts ect.
I think from the way things look now FSU,Clemson, UNC and prob UVA based on past reports and scenarios ect. are gone as soon as they can be gone. It may be different by the time it all shakes out on who stays & goes but I think both conferences would end up being about equal when the dust settles.
For the time being I agree, no sense jumping AND no sense for the ACC to do anything until the time draws nearer to the end of the media deals.
To me:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Cincinnati
WVU
VT
NC State
UCF
Wake Forest
Duke
Miami
GT
Ain’t all that much different than
Utah
BYU
Colorado
Oklahoma State
Arizona
ASU
Texas Tech
Houston
Baylor
TCU
Kansas
KU
When it comes to market value imo and both would wind up with similar deals and payouts ect.
I think from the way things look now FSU,Clemson, UNC and prob UVA based on past reports and scenarios ect. are gone as soon as they can be gone. It may be different by the time it all shakes out on who stays & goes but I think both conferences would end up being about equal when the dust settles.
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Considering if the conference is doomed anyway, let them go ahead and leave. That's an extra 12-13mm per year for each of the schools that remain for the next 13 years.
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Florida State Will Continue To Look For An ACC Exit, But The Clock Has Seemingly Been Reset For Another Year. Or Has It?
Florida State officials made it clear that an exit from the ACC is on the horizon. But the clock has potentially run out on a 2024 departure.
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FSU still making noise but evidently, a deadline has passed where they had to notify the conference if they weren't going to play in the ACC during 2024 so they are committed until 2025. One of their BOT members doesn't seem concerned about the GOR:
There’s also the problem that other conferences don’t want to get involved with any potential litigation revolving around Florida State joining them. But, this GOR doesn’t seem to be a major concern for Peter Collins, who is the Florida State Board of Trustees chairman. “We understand it. We have gotten a lot of counsel on that document. That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that,” Collins mentioned a few weeks ago.
So basically either FSU believes they have found a way out of the GOR (I find that hard to believe especially when TX and OU coughed up millions to get out of theirs) or they are bluffing to get more money out of the ACC.
My money is on bluffing and we've already seen NC loosely call them out a bit on that but let's see if that steam picks up because this situation has the potential to get cancerous in a hurry.
I think if FSU had a way around it, they'd be gone by now. I think it's just a bunch of bluster, myself.Florida State Will Continue To Look For An ACC Exit, But The Clock Has Seemingly Been Reset For Another Year. Or Has It?
Florida State officials made it clear that an exit from the ACC is on the horizon. But the clock has potentially run out on a 2024 departure.
FSU still making noise but evidently, a deadline has passed where they had to notify the conference if they weren't going to play in the ACC during 2024 so they are committed until 2025. One of their BOT members doesn't seem concerned about the GOR:
There’s also the problem that other conferences don’t want to get involved with any potential litigation revolving around Florida State joining them. But, this GOR doesn’t seem to be a major concern for Peter Collins, who is the Florida State Board of Trustees chairman. “We understand it. We have gotten a lot of counsel on that document. That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that,” Collins mentioned a few weeks ago.
So basically either FSU believes they have found a way out of the GOR (I find that hard to believe especially when TX and OU coughed up millions to get out of theirs) or they are bluffing to get more money out of the ACC.
My money is on bluffing and we've already seen NC loosely call them out a bit on that but let's see if that steam picks up because this situation has the potential to get cancerous in a hurry.
I agree those two conferences would be about the same and warrant similar media deals. So we now officially have P2 Middling 2 and G5 and it looks like it’ll stay that way.
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Florida State Will Continue To Look For An ACC Exit, But The Clock Has Seemingly Been Reset For Another Year. Or Has It?
Florida State officials made it clear that an exit from the ACC is on the horizon. But the clock has potentially run out on a 2024 departure.
FSU still making noise but evidently, a deadline has passed where they had to notify the conference if they weren't going to play in the ACC during 2024 so they are committed until 2025. One of their BOT members doesn't seem concerned about the GOR:
There’s also the problem that other conferences don’t want to get involved with any potential litigation revolving around Florida State joining them. But, this GOR doesn’t seem to be a major concern for Peter Collins, who is the Florida State Board of Trustees chairman. “We understand it. We have gotten a lot of counsel on that document. That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that,” Collins mentioned a few weeks ago.
So basically either FSU believes they have found a way out of the GOR (I find that hard to believe especially when TX and OU coughed up millions to get out of theirs) or they are bluffing to get more money out of the ACC.
My money is on bluffing and we've already seen NC loosely call them out a bit on that but let's see if that steam picks up because this situation has the potential to get cancerous in a hurry.
They were never gonna leave this year. That "rumor" got picked up because no source message board types just saw stuff that if a team wanted to leave the conference within a year, there's a date they have to do it by.
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Absolutely a bluff imho and agreeFlorida State Will Continue To Look For An ACC Exit, But The Clock Has Seemingly Been Reset For Another Year. Or Has It?
Florida State officials made it clear that an exit from the ACC is on the horizon. But the clock has potentially run out on a 2024 departure.
FSU still making noise but evidently, a deadline has passed where they had to notify the conference if they weren't going to play in the ACC during 2024 so they are committed until 2025. One of their BOT members doesn't seem concerned about the GOR:
There’s also the problem that other conferences don’t want to get involved with any potential litigation revolving around Florida State joining them. But, this GOR doesn’t seem to be a major concern for Peter Collins, who is the Florida State Board of Trustees chairman. “We understand it. We have gotten a lot of counsel on that document. That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that,” Collins mentioned a few weeks ago.
So basically either FSU believes they have found a way out of the GOR (I find that hard to believe especially when TX and OU coughed up millions to get out of theirs) or they are bluffing to get more money out of the ACC.
My money is on bluffing and we've already seen NC loosely call them out a bit on that but let's see if that steam picks up because this situation has the potential to get cancerous in a hurry.
with @rfjeff9, If they could, they’d already be gone.IIRC @WhosYourDawggy and I searched for cases in the past where GOR’s were broken and it’s like finding hens teeth. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a case where one has been broken in situations like this or the entertainment industry or… anywhere else for that matter. Like they say, contracts were made to be broken but by God it sure looks to me like a GOR is about as iron clad a contract can be or at the least it’s too much of a hassle for the parties involved to go through with it.
I guess Texas and OU leaving the Big12 is an example but that was just a year and both paid through the nose. The conference members were smart to get what they could while they could out of both instead of letting them walk.
FSU buying out a GOR with this much time left on it? Fat chance I say, the FSU BOT member is full of it.
I HAVE heard an idea floated to try n keep the desirable members happy by making uneven shares and “bonuses” for teams that make it to the playoffs ect. But even then, what
5,10,15 mm to those schools? Is that going to fill the gap enough to keep em happy? I’m thinkin no.
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There is so much wrong with all their nonsense, but the main thing is this: if you leave, you have to have a place to go. With GOR litigation seeming to have long odds, and it would take numerous years in any case, the SEC and the B1G want no part of that. They have their hands full getting their new additions folded in. Add to that the CFP getting renegotiated in 2 years with the SEC and the B1G having the most to gain, and it makes no sense that either is the landing spot for FSU. So, all the legalities aside, they simply have nowhere to go and for some reason, they think being a whiny bitch is a good negotiating tactic.Florida State Will Continue To Look For An ACC Exit, But The Clock Has Seemingly Been Reset For Another Year. Or Has It?
Florida State officials made it clear that an exit from the ACC is on the horizon. But the clock has potentially run out on a 2024 departure.
FSU still making noise but evidently, a deadline has passed where they had to notify the conference if they weren't going to play in the ACC during 2024 so they are committed until 2025. One of their BOT members doesn't seem concerned about the GOR:
There’s also the problem that other conferences don’t want to get involved with any potential litigation revolving around Florida State joining them. But, this GOR doesn’t seem to be a major concern for Peter Collins, who is the Florida State Board of Trustees chairman. “We understand it. We have gotten a lot of counsel on that document. That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that,” Collins mentioned a few weeks ago.
So basically either FSU believes they have found a way out of the GOR (I find that hard to believe especially when TX and OU coughed up millions to get out of theirs) or they are bluffing to get more money out of the ACC.
My money is on bluffing and we've already seen NC loosely call them out a bit on that but let's see if that steam picks up because this situation has the potential to get cancerous in a hurry.