tOfficial ACC Doomsday thread

[ralphiewvu]

It really depends how many teams the Big2 want to add. The SEC seems like they are good where they are while the B1G seems like they’d go to 30 at the moment.

But if each (SEC and B1G) take 2, the ACC is probably still viable at 10 teams although earning less then the B12 most likely should those power players from the ACC go.

 

[Thiefery]

FOX sports wanted UO and UW in the Big Ten so they made it happen.

Yeah I think FOX wanted them (and got them) while the Presidents and ADs (BiG) were willing to be patient and wait.

 

[duckboy33]

Yeah I think FOX wanted them (and got them) while the Presidents and ADs (BiG) were willing to be patient and wait.

FOX knew if they (and the Big Ten's other media partners) did not bid on the PAC 12 media rights, it wouldn't be viable. They knew ESPN didn't have the ability/desire to take all of the PAC 12 content and there was no way UW/UO were signing on to an all/majority streaming deal.

 

[gobigred]

I can see Notre Dame and Stanford being added to the Big Xii for either all sports OR with a football deal like ND has - with ND and Stanford being partial members for football (4-5 games each per year) and being a combined NBC package (if they are all willing to re-negotiate).

I can’t see Notre Dame going to Big 12. Give up independence to play a bunch of teams they don’t have any the history with or rivalries with.

 

[78Cyclones]

I can’t see Notre Dame going to Big 12. Give up independence to play a bunch of teams they don’t have any the history with or rivalries with.

They didn't have much history with ACC teams either. A few yes, but as a whole, no. As for Independence, they might have to give that up one day, especially if the ACC implodes. B1G makes the most sense, and the SEC would always be an option. However, if neither of those can be worked out, the Big Xii can defintiely make it work - especially if Stanford is interested. I can see the Big Xii going to an ACC like model for ND and Stanford, where the B1G and SEC would both insist on ND being a full football member. Just a thought.

 

[Thiefery]

FOX knew if they (and the Big Ten's other media partners) did not bid on the PAC 12 media rights, it wouldn't be viable. They knew ESPN didn't have the ability/desire to take all of the PAC 12 content and there was no way UW/UO were signing on to an all/majority streaming deal.

that video of the chairman of Oregon on that zoom call pretty much summed it up lol.. guy took the meeting on his cell while having a round of golf outside.. He just said we are taking the BiG invite.. and logged off

 

[duckboy33]

that video of the chairman of Oregon on that zoom call pretty much summed it up lol.. guy took the meeting on his cell while having a round of golf outside.. He just said we are taking the BiG invite.. and logged off

Reminded me of George Bush. "Now watch this drive"

 

[douggie]

Florida State will not be in the ACC for the 2026 season.

I'm so hoping that Duke can bust FSU's ass in football right before they leave.

 

[Thiefery]

I'm so hoping that Duke can bust FSU's ass in football right before they leave.

wouldn't discount it.. Elko working some magic.. that complete ass whipping they gave Miami... at Miami..phewww...

 

[Deep Creek]

Wait wait wait.. ESPN is having financial woes…

Don't confuse "financial woes" with overspending for almost no value

For my simple mind…does having “financial woes” mean an entity’s bank account is “overdrawn” or “underdeposited”?

 

[Deep Creek]

They didn't have much history with ACC teams either. A few yes, but as a whole, no. As for Independence, they might have to give that up one day, especially if the ACC implodes. B1G makes the most sense, and the SEC would always be an option. However, if neither of those can be worked out, the Big Xii can defintiely make it work - especially if Stanford is interested. I can see the Big Xii going to an ACC like model for ND and Stanford, where the B1G and SEC would both insist on ND being a full football member. Just a thought.

It might work but Stanford wouldn’t be able to command a supplemental football media deal that would be near as big as what Notre Dame’s is.

 

[78Cyclones]

It might work but Stanford wouldn’t be able to command a supplemental football media deal that would be near as big as what Notre Dame’s is.

Not as good as ND, but they might be able to do something better than what is out in front of them in the Pac-4, MWC, AAC, etc. I am thinking in conjunction with ND to market both with the Cardinal and Irish continuing their rivalry (new as it is) game. Just thinking outside the box a bit. It would help Stanford being able to have 4-5 games scheduled with Big XVI teams + ND + Cal before they have to start filling in the blanks. Of course, the Big XVI would also at least have a foot in California (not counting Arizona State @ Los Angeles / sarcasm).

 

[Deep Creek]

Not as good as ND, but they might be able to do something better than what is out in front of them in the Pac-4, MWC, AAC, etc. I am thinking in conjunction with ND to market both with the Cardinal and Irish continuing their rivalry (new as it is) game. Just thinking outside the box a bit. It would help Stanford being able to have 4-5 games scheduled with Big XVI teams + ND + Cal before they have to start filling in the blanks. Of course, the Big XVI would also at least have a foot in California (not counting Arizona State @ Los Angeles / sarcasm).

I've thought for a while now that a handful of schools could make a good go of it independently in football and stay in conferences for the other sports. What would have been wrong with USC going independent and stay in the PAC 12 for other sports? They could have played 5 PAC 12 games a year like Notre Dame does with the ACC.

 

[CorpRebel]

I've thought for a while now that a handful of schools could make a good go of it independently in football and stay in conferences for the other sports. What would have been wrong with USC going independent and stay in the PAC 12 for other sports? They could have played 5 PAC 12 games a year like Notre Dame does with the ACC.

USC just wanted OUT... I believe that "going independent" was being seriously considered until the B1G invite was made.

Pac12, as a conference, has been a clusterfuck for awhile now, soooooo... here we are!!!

 

[Cowboyinexile]

They will hang on for a while. At least until the media rights deal ends. After that the big 2 and no 3 are on the prowl.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

In response to @MAIZEandBLUE09. Might as well give it a thread.

Well, IDK. Most of me agrees wholeheartedly with you on this, but too many what ifs.

ESPN is getting a great deal on the ACC contract and everybody knows it which is why the ACC schools are so pissed about it.

What if ESPN financial woes continue but they stay viable until the next SEC contract and they just can't give another lucrative contract like they have now. How much less would SEC accept? Or does SEC go shopping for another partner at that time? And if so, will that increase what is available to ACC and Big12(16 or whatever) such that maybe everyone calms down about realignment and are happy with the money available at that time?

Too early to tell, but if I had to guess, I am now leaning to more per team payout parity coming down the pipe in the next decade to the point where I suspect the ACC survives.

A month ago I thought ACC and PAC were sitting ducks and it was only a matter of time, as well as that Big12 seems to be OK and would be just fine. Now with the info that ESPN can't even save the PAC and their financial issues, I wonder.

It will be 6-7 more years before anyone in ACC can get financially serious about leaving (notwithstanding this weird Hail Mary FSU is foolishly pondering). By that time we will know the details about ESPN and SEC contract.

NOTE: Before any SEC fans get bent out of shape, I am not suggesting ACC is worth the money that SEC is or that SEC doesn't deserve what they are getting. I am merely stating that I don't think ESPN can continue to pay SEC what they are getting now.

The only reason the ACC hasn't disbanded yet is because of their previous contract which makes it really hard (FSU seems to be trying to find holes in it). We'll see what happens there but I can absolutely see the conference's best teams committed to somewhere else once the contract is over, and then spending the next few years fighting to get out of it early. If either FSU or Clemson leave, the ACC is done. And I think either of them bolt at the first chance they get to be in the SEC.

I think even if ESPN implodes, some other TV/streaming entity will pay for the rights to broadcast the SEC games. AppleTV, NBC, CBS...ect. I very much doubt the pay structure implodes for the value of those rights. And I think they at least have some contract with CBS as it stands.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

USC just wanted OUT... I believe that "going independent" was being seriously considered until the B1G invite was made.

Pac12, as a conference, has been a clusterfuck for awhile now, soooooo... here we are!!!

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There's also the part where they get $60 million dollars a year from the B10 in like 5 years.

 

[rfjeff9]

The only reason the ACC hasn't disbanded yet is because of their previous contract which makes it really hard (FSU seems to be trying to find holes in it). We'll see what happens there but I can absolutely see the conference's best teams committed to somewhere else once the contract is over, and then spending the next few years fighting to get out of it early. If either FSU or Clemson leave, the ACC is done. And I think either of them bolt at the first chance they get to be in the SEC.

I think even if ESPN implodes, some other TV/streaming entity will pay for the rights to broadcast the SEC games. AppleTV, NBC, CBS...ect. I very much doubt the pay structure implodes for the value of those rights. And I think they at least have some contract with CBS as it stands.

We will find out. I think it will be 5 years before anyone can make a move, probably with an announcement that the move will take place in an additional 2-3 years.

If FSU does thie PEF style loan or whatever before then it is an unnecessary fools gamble that I'm not sure pays off right now. IMO they value themselves way more than anyone else does.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

We will find out. I think it will be 5 years before anyone can make a move, probably with an announcement that the move will take place in an additional 2-3 years.

If FSU does thie PEF style loan or whatever before then it is an unnecessary fools gamble that I'm not sure pays off right now. IMO they value themselves way more than anyone else does.

Here's the thing, some analyst of their current grant of rights contract suggests that just 6 teams need to vote to challenge it for it to be broken; and they're probably already at 2/6. I think if enough schools have offers from other conferences, it's done.

 

[rfjeff9]

Here's the thing, some analyst of their current grant of rights contract suggests that just 6 teams need to vote to challenge it for it to be broken; and they're probably already at 2/6. I think if enough schools have offers from other conferences, it's done.

I think those analysts talking about 6 teams are dead wrong. Here is an excerpt from GOR about amending it. It has to be unanimous. This is clear and I don't think there is a way around it.