tOfficial ACC Doomsday thread

Collegefbfan said:
I know, for the most part, with Texas and Oklahoma going SEC and UCLA and Southern Cal going B1G, there are some backroom dealings and papers to sign and all that. What is crazy though is it seemed like those deals were done in an instance. Not any of this he said, she said, hemming and hawing back and forth. It was like Twitter and ESPN and whoever broke the news, and it was done. Now, with what is going on with the ACC is the exact opposite. It is like "building the plane while you fly it" sort of philosophy. I remember a preview magazine I purchased years ago when the ACC expanded and got VT, Miami, and whoever else. That magazine did a conference rankings and had the ACC #1. They were nowhere close to it then and look where they are at now. Not bashing, just in disbelief somewhat.
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I remember Miami fans saying "ACC = All Canes Conference!!!" lmao! Sill 0 ACC titles and only 1 ACC title game appearance (the same as DUKE) 20 years later.
 
Deep Creek said:
We need football only conferences. Those could be scattered all over the country in like groups since travel ain't near as big a deal. Then let the other sports stay more geographically based. There are enough OOC slots to get good matchups among the conferences in other sports.
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If this was for football and basketball only, that would make sense. All the other spots ... nah. I'd be pissed.

That said, I've always thought the travel argument is overblown. 20 year olds are resilient. And the them the travel is exciting. Hell, I am close to a million miler and travel was fun for me until I hit 50-ish.
 
Deep Creek said:
I agree but I doubt the powers that be would. It seems television wants games involving those "brand names" regardless of the quality of their teams. Plenty of examples of late. Texas, USC, Nebraska Michigan (until recently). They wouldn't like them being relegated in favor of Utah, K-State, etc.
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Oh there is basically zero chance it’d happen. The powers to be would mostly be a hard no and every mid and lower level P2 is an absolute no
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
If this was for football and basketball only, that would make sense. All the other spots ... nah. I'd be pissed.

That said, I've always thought the travel argument is overblown. 20 year olds are resilient. And the them the travel is exciting. Hell, I am close to a million miler and travel was fun for me until I hit 50-ish.
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It is real...even for 20 year olds. I asked a lot of Miners about it when we were in the conference with Hawaii. Basketball players said it was worse than football players did because it was paired with a West coast game.
 
Some relevant info for anyone that actually cares enough about the ACC (why would you?) that might be interesting to those following all this stuff. Our BOV member that posts on a team board sometimes showed up for the first time in a couple of weeks. He said the national media story about 4 Nos and 12 Yes votes is inaccurate. There was never a vote or a straw poll. The discussion of adding teams was brought up and 4 schools (FSU, Clem, UNC, NC State) pretty quickly voiced their opposition and it stopped there. Because with at least 4 schools being opposed, there's no need to vote. It would fail. They then agreed to table the issue for later discussion and an official vote won't happen until it will 100% pass. So while there are 4 NOs, there may actually be more (its been rumored to be) NOs out there. Not everyone else is a Yes (so far). This guy doesn't mess around. He's a good dude, not looking for clout, and when he posts info, its pretty much always accurate. It's rare that he does give info, but when he does its legit.

So methinks these national media stories saying "we're close", "there's a bunch of YESs just trying to flip one NO" are leaks from a small very Pro-Yes vote trying to publicly put pressure on any No vote school to get on board.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Aside from B12 teams, many of which add very little or no value to the TV contract who else can the ACC grab? Adding these teams basically saves most of the ACC until 2036 and gives them a chance to be #3 in the long run. I know the logistics are horrid but this really needs to happen imo if the ACC wants the chance to survive long term.
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The logistics aren't as important if they don't join for all sports which is the latest rumor. Just doing football and basketball would be ok. It's all those other sports nobody watches that have numerous matchups in a single week that concerns me the most.
 
rfjeff9 said:
The logistics aren't as important if they don't join for all sports which is the latest rumor. Just doing football and basketball would be ok. It's all those other sports nobody watches that have numerous matchups in a single week that concerns me the most.
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If they are keeping it to just fooseball and round ball It’s actually a great move imo. I think it’s solid anyway because even if/when FSU and Clem leave the ACC is still very viable and this move just solidifies it. The question I’d have though is UNC able to get everyone else to stay once this GoR only has a few years left?
 
Looks like NC State flipped.
 
Someone explain why this makes a lick of sense. You take 3 lousy football schools, and now all your Olympic sports have to travel cross country. All for a couple million more a year per team that will be eaten up with travel costs. I don't get it and think this is a terrible move for the ACC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Someone explain why this makes a lick of sense. You take 3 lousy football schools, and now all your Olympic sports have to travel cross country. All for a couple million more a year per team that will be eaten up with travel costs. I don't get it and think this is a terrible move for the ACC.
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I read somewhere that after taking into account travel expenses, each team will receive an extra $ 3 million approximately. I think it makes sense from the standpoint that if FSU and Clemson leave, they will still have at least 15 football members and 16 for other sports. It's basically about survival. There weren't any other good options.
 
ericd7633 said:
I read somewhere that after taking into account travel expenses, each team will receive an extra $ 3 million approximately. I think it makes sense from the standpoint that if FSU and Clemson leave, they will still have at least 15 football members and 16 for other sports. It's basically about survival. There weren't any other good options.
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FSU and Clemson aren't leaving. They can't get out of the GOR. They don't have a landing spot in the SEC or the B1G. Large movement like that won't happen until 2032-ish at the earliest.

$3 million a year to make everyone travel all over the place, for teams that no one else wanted. Unreal.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
FSU and Clemson aren't leaving. They can't get out of the GOR. They don't have a landing spot in the SEC or the B1G. Large movement like that won't happen until 2032-ish at the earliest.

$3 million a year to make everyone travel all over the place, for teams that no one else wanted. Unreal.
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I'm guessing FSU and Clemson will be out way ahead of that 2036 date.
 
ericd7633 said:
I'm guessing FSU and Clemson will be out way ahead of that 2036 date.
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How? I mean maybe a year or two before, but unless they can beat the GOR, they aren't going anywhere. And the B1G and SEC have their hands full with their new teams and the new CFP in 2026.

Them wanting out is totally different from them getting out. Explain how you think they can suddenly leave without paying half a billion.
 
ericd7633 said:
I read somewhere that after taking into account travel expenses, each team will receive an extra $ 3 million approximately. I think it makes sense from the standpoint that if FSU and Clemson leave, they will still have at least 15 football members and 16 for other sports. It's basically about survival. There weren't any other good options.
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As @WhosYourDawggy said and has been discussed to death - Clemson and FSU aren't going anywhere for a decade they can't afford it, you know this also.

But your first point is what I hear as well, these 3 teams electing to forgo full revenue in lieu of perceived stability at least for another 10 years or so is a huge deal for them. As Cal and Stan ramp up to higher payout, they will sooner overtake the level offered by Apple a month ago and eventually even out over the long haul. But then again no telling what the next contract will pay.

I agree it's presented as "surviving", but the extra money was a small bonus.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
How? I mean maybe a year or two before, but unless they can beat the GOR, they aren't going anywhere. And the B1G and SEC have their hands full with their new teams and the new CFP in 2026.

Them wanting out is totally different from them getting out. Explain how you think they can suddenly leave without paying half a billion.
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I’m wondering if this move somehow (I’m completely guessing) weakens the GOR where the dynamics/members have changed now but again.. an out of left field guess by me.
I feel certain that there is a section in the contract for new members joining ect. That they fall in to the same deal but I have read THEORIES about moves adding schools weakening a GOR but that’s been years ago when the BigEast was falling apart. I’d assume those kinds of cracks were patched up with the newer contracts.
 
CoalTrain said:
I’m wondering if this move somehow (I’m completely guessing) weakens the GOR where the dynamics/members have changed now but again.. an out of left field guess by me.
I feel certain that there is a section in the contract for new members joining ect. That they fall in to the same deal but I have read THEORIES about moves adding schools weakening a GOR but that’s been years ago when the BigEast was falling apart. I’d assume those kinds of cracks were patched up with the newer contracts.
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Probably, but one thing is clear now. As far as votes to disband ACC as a way out of GOR, the tally just increased 3 votes against.

LOL at FSU.
 
Is the ACC saying, "I wonder how much more we can screw this up"?
 
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