More Michigan Cheating

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
No, boosters get a school in trouble because in recruiting rules they are SPECIFICALLY called out by rule as someone who can get a school in trouble.

As discussed at length, the rule in question is a blanket statement. "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2."

It does not mention how that in person scouting is done or who is doing it. Secondary bylaws (listed above) mention "institutional staff members" -- which the NCAA defines in ANOTHER bylaw (14.9) as:


So what is it? Is a 3rd party scouting and giving you in person scouting data illegal or not? There is no world in which one of these actions is legal, and the other is not.
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It's really cute you think Michigan found some kind of loophole here. They didn't.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'm sure many are hoping that is what it is. But reality is -- one low level staffer on a coaching staff of 25 isn't "all this going on around him". The guys job was to figure out signs of other teams. As has been stated on here -- it is completely fine to trade info with other teams, so why wouldn't Harbaugh think that is exactly what was done?

Harbaugh will get punished in some way, as he is responsible and he can't just say, I didn't know. But what the punishment will be, will be based on if he knew or not. If he knew, he should be fired anyway.
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If this was an isolated incident I would agree, but Harbs is still under investigation, there another with computer hacking the FBI is involved and then this guy.
 
stakesarehigh said:
It's really cute you think Michigan found some kind of loophole here. They didn't.
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I think they did, which is why I don't think that coaches giving others signals is illegal.

But if you're arguing that what Michigan did was illegal, you can't be arguing that what those other teams did was not.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I think they did, which is why I don't think that coaches giving others signals is illegal.

But if you're arguing that what Michigan did was illegal, you can't be arguing that what those other teams did was not.
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I am not sure what the scope of that was honestly. You're taking some rando report entirely at face value. I'd need more information to make a decision

This is pretty cut and dry

And you thinking a Michigan employee can fund an entire spying operation (even on his own which he didnt) on another team is hilarious honestly.

I've not seen one sensible person make this argument except you. Because everyone has a grasp on what that kind of 3rd party contract entails.
 
stakesarehigh said:
I am not sure what the scope of that was honestly. You're taking some rando report entirely at face value. I'd need more information to make a decision

This is pretty cut and dry

And you thinking a Michigan employee can fund an entire spying operation (even on his own which he didnt) on another team is hilarious honestly.

I've not seen one sensible person make this argument except you. Because everyone has a grasp on what that kind of 3rd party contract entails.
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And you thinking other programs can coordinate recording, deciphering and passing along sign information and then sending that to future Michigan opponents, doesn't violate the sportsmanship policy at minimum; let alone the scouting rules in question...is also cute.
 
ellupo said:
If they broke the rules punish them. This has nothing to do with the cesspool up north.
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As it says, it certainly raises the question about "relative competitive advantage"
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"The Big Ten Conference expects all contests involving a member institution to be conducted without compromise to any fundamental element of sportsmanship. Such fundamental elements include integrity of the competition, civility toward all, and respect, particularly toward opponents and officials."

The plain language of the sportsmanship policy supports the Big 10 commissioner’s exercise of authority to unilaterally impose “standard disciplinary actions” without seeking any other approvals or waiting for the NCAA
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And they can easily claim that Michigan violated the integrity of the competition.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
And you thinking other programs can coordinate recording, deciphering and passing along sign information and then sending that to future Michigan opponents, doesn't violate the sportsmanship policy at minimum; let alone the scouting rules in question...is also cute.
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probably try reading this first paragraph again
 
stakesarehigh said:
I am not sure what the scope of that was honestly. You're taking some rando report entirely at face value. I'd need more information to make a decision

This is pretty cut and dry

And you thinking a Michigan employee can fund an entire spying operation (even on his own which he didnt) on another team is hilarious honestly.

I've not seen one sensible person make this argument except you. Because everyone has a grasp on what that kind of 3rd party contract entails.
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It would be a little more credible if one of these reports didn't come straight from Michigan blogs/alumni. It doesn't appear that any of the national guys are giving those stories any credibility right now.
 
stakesarehigh said:
probably try reading this first paragraph again
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We're talking ALL of this information as a "rando". We don't know the validity of what the B10 has, we don't know what the scope and validity of the NCAA has. This recent AP story, followed by reports by Yahoo/SI about Michigan's signs being given to our future opponents is supported by actual documents; and indicated by people on insider sites for at least a week. It's actually one of the only pieces of evidence we've actually been able to see.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Unless it is announced today -- they won't suspend him any later this week, as they will want to give UM time to figure out who will be the HC for the game. That's why I think it will be Maryland and that's it.
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Probably. Although it would be objectively hilarious to watch Michigan claim that suspending Harbaugh would give their opponent an unfair advantage.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
We're talking ALL of this information as a "rando". We don't know the validity of what the B10 has, we don't know what the scope and validity of the NCAA has. This recent AP story, followed by reports by Yahoo/SI about Michigan's signs being given to our future opponents is supported by actual documents; and indicated by people on insider sites for at least a week. It's actually one of the only pieces of evidence we've actually been able to see.
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we don't know this is evidence or something totally cooked up
 
stakesarehigh said:
we don't know this is evidence or something totally cooked up
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I would imagine the original reporters know who this is and that would legitimize both the texts he supposedly has and the letter we're seeing now (with redacted information).
 
ellupo said:
As I said punish them if they broke any rules.
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"them" is YOU. And if you believe that Rutgers (Schiano) gave Purdue the signs they stole and NOT his former Ohio State program, you're delusional.
 
Wonder if the reason Michigan was such a good second half team last year is because most B10 teams were coordinating with each other on stealing our signs in person and then after halftime we alternated away from them? Hmmmm makes you think.

Also makes you wondner what they sent TCU?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
"them" is YOU. And if you believe that Rutgers (Schiano) gave Purdue the signs they stole and NOT his former Ohio State program, you're delusional.
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you could at least make a minimal effort to not be a complete honk

I know it's asking a lot.
 
stakesarehigh said:
you could at least make a minimal effort to not be a complete honk

I know it's asking a lot.
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lol. I love this for us. Ohio State is so ruined that they tried reporting michigan for the same thing they were doing, what losers. Ohio State giving purdue our signs may be one of the most pathetic things I've ever heard about in this rivalry.
 
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