The Heisman was rigged

[Codaxx]

I don't know if I'd say he's the best, probably a real good argument for Odunze (who should have been in NY, BTDubs). He's definitely the most valuable though. He's no question the one piece they couldn't lose and be 13-0.

If the award is for the best player in the country, shouldn’t it be easy to say a deserving candidate was the best player on his team? That might have hurt him. Odunze is probably the best player on the team and they have 2 other NFL WRs

 

[Wizardhawk]

I don't know if I'd say he's the best, probably a real good argument for Odunze (who should have been in NY, BTDubs). He's definitely the most valuable though. He's no question the one piece they couldn't lose and be 13-0.

I'd say without Odunze they finish no better than 10-2. He had a couple of game saving plays I doubt any other WR on the team can make.

I'd also say with Odunze, but without Penix they win no more than 9, and likely 8 or less. Odunze was on that 4-8 team after all.

As for the question of whether or not Penix was the best player on the team. It's an easy yes. He's one of, if not the, best QB's to ever suit up at UW and well beyond his stats, was the captain and the glue of the team. He had the entire team surround him going into the 4th quarter of the Ducks first game and the same late in the CCG where he rallied them all. He's a true leader and that alone is enough to separate him from Odunze.

 

[Wizardhawk]

If the award is for the best player in the country, shouldn’t it be easy to say a deserving candidate was the best player on his team? That might have hurt him. Odunze is probably the best player on the team and they have 2 other NFL WRs

Yes, and Penix is one of the best players to ever play for UW. As stated above, the argument for him being the best player on the team this year is easy to make and impossible to refute IMO.

 

[DayButtAssMans’s]

If the award is for the best player in the country, shouldn’t it be easy to say a deserving candidate was the best player on his team? That might have hurt him. Odunze is probably the best player on the team and they have 2 other NFL WRs

I guess it depends what you're basing best player on the team means, and it's a silly hole to chase you down if you want to start comparing who the best player is between a QB and WR. @Wizardhawk laid it out pretty good above. UW isn't close to the same team without Penix.

But for argument sake, I'll just totally concede that Odunze is the best player on the team. Now we're back to the same point we're making in this thread anyway, why wasn't Rome in New York? He has more receiving yards (by 200), one less touchdown, more contested catches, higher average/reception than Harrison Jr.

 

[Wizardhawk]

I'm not sure I could make the argument that Odunze is the greatest WR in UW history. Reggie Williams, hell maybe Ross are at least worthy of comparison. Mario Bailey?

I'd be hard pressed to argue anyone other than Penix as QB. For his stats, his clutch play in tough games/late game situations, his leadership on and off the field, as well as the results.

Let's not pretend Daniels also doesn't have top flight talent around him. There was a LOT of online bitching about the Biletnikoff award believing Nabors was far and away the best WR in college football. All of the guys that have high passing numbers have high receivers catching them.

 

[DayButtAssMans’s]

I'm not sure I could make the argument that Odunze is the greatest WR in UW history. Reggie Williams, hell maybe Ross are at least worthy of comparison. Mario Bailey?

I'd be hard pressed to argue anyone other than Penix as QB. For his stats, his clutch play in tough games/late game situations, his leadership on and off the field, as well as the results.

Let's not pretend Daniels also doesn't have top flight talent around him. There was a LOT of online bitching about the Biletnikoff award believing Nabors was far and away the best WR in college football. All of the guys that have high passing numbers have high receivers catching them.

Was just thinking about him doing the Heisman pose in Desmond Howard's face in the Rose Bowl. Too bad LSU is 9-3 and Daniels still won't answer if he plans on opting out of their bowl... But maybe Rome gets a similar opportunity anyway.

 

[Thiefery]

Penix was the best player on the team. It's an easy yes. He's one of, if not the, best QB's to ever suit up at UW and well beyond his stats, was the captain and the glue of the team. He had the entire team surround him going into the 4th quarter of the Ducks first game and the same late in the CCG where he rallied them all. He's a true leader and that alone is enough to separate him from Odunze.

so he's gonna pull a VY in the CFP?

 

[Wizardhawk]

so he's gonna pull a VY in the CFP?

As good as Penix is, the Sugar will be more about the questions on defense.

They surprised a lot of people with their dominant play in the CCG, but it wasn't a surprise for us after we learned our two main safeties were back for that game. The injuries on the back end were responsible for most of the season stats. Asa alone is huge in run fits as well as back end coverage.

What we do know is there is no moment too big for this team. They answer the call every time. Doesn't matter if they trail or need to hold a narrow lead. They don't fold under pressure.

Both teams can score. Which one controls the trenches on both sides? No idea until the game starts. UWs D will have to play at a high level to win.

 

[78Cyclones]

As for the question of whether or not Penix was the best player on the team. It's an easy yes. He's one of, if not the, best QB's to ever suit up at UW and well beyond his stats, was the captain and the glue of the team. He had the entire team surround him going into the 4th quarter of the Ducks first game and the same late in the CCG where he rallied them all. He's a true leader and that alone is enough to separate him from Odunze.

That says so much! I have not seen Penix play in person, but I did see Steve Pelleur @ LSU (1983), Mark Brunell vs. USC @ Husky Stadium (1992) and whoever were the QBs in 1995 (@ Stanford), 2013 (@ UCLA) and 2019 (@ Oregon State). That Warren Moon guy wasn't bad either! Mr. Browning TOO. My point is that UW has had incredible QBs over history, and if Penix is considered the best by a Husky fan, I think that says something.

 

[Wizardhawk]

That says so much! I have not seen Penix play in person, but I did see Steve Pelleur @ LSU (1983), Mark Brunell vs. USC @ Husky Stadium (1992) and whoever were the QBs in 1995 (@ Stanford), 2013 (@ UCLA) and 2019 (@ Oregon State). That Warren Moon guy wasn't bad either! Mr. Browning TOO. My point is that UW has had incredible QBs over history, and if Penix is considered the best by a Husky fan, I think that says something.

And I'm old enough to have seen all you mentioned. Moon was the first real QB I rooted for as I was around 10 or so at the time? And was around the time I really got into football. I was pissed when he didn't get picked up by any NFL teams and had to go to the CFL. His Rose Bowl season still stands out as one of the top 5 seasons I can remember.
Brunell having split duties with Billy Joe Hobert makes it hard to say he's the greatest of all time, but for sure his long ball was on point for that era and he was unflappable. They also had Mark Bruener, Mario Bailey, and Napoleon Kaufman. That offense was pretty stacked and yet the story of that era was purely on the defense. Entman was the man.

Jake Browning is the closest argument and it makes sense since it's in the same basic big throwing era. He helped shape this team out of the mid-level Sark era and took them to a playoff. The reason I'd still give the edge to Penix is his leadership and he can not only throw the long ball, but makes anticipation throws unlike any QB I've seen on Montlake. I've seen quite a few scout/coach breakdowns of his game and they claim he's making throws most NFL QB's can't. Throwing back across his body from one boundary to the other from his back foot and still have velocity and accuracy on it? His back shoulder throws are legendary already and have NFL scouts taking notes. He's just at another level.

 

[Codaxx]

I'm not sure I could make the argument that Odunze is the greatest WR in UW history. Reggie Williams, hell maybe Ross are at least worthy of comparison. Mario Bailey?

I'd be hard pressed to argue anyone other than Penix as QB. For his stats, his clutch play in tough games/late game situations, his leadership on and off the field, as well as the results.

Let's not pretend Daniels also doesn't have top flight talent around him. There was a LOT of online bitching about the Biletnikoff award believing Nabors was far and away the best WR in college football. All of the guys that have high passing numbers have high receivers catching them.

Warren Moon, next!!!!

 

[Wizardhawk]

Warren Moon, next!!!!

If you compare what Moon did over his two seasons with what Penix has done with his, there's no comparison.

24-2 on a team that was 4-8 before he joined it.

Entirely unprecedented.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Nobody cares about the PAC schools, get over it.. despite Phil writing 8 fig checks


also Nix was an overrated 30 year old..
and now you will move on to another overrated 30 year old

Daniels was the best QB and deserved the Heisman

Penix is good but his best wins were vs an overrated duck defense

Closer to 18 than 30.

 

[Wizardhawk]

So Penix is overrated because his best wins were vs 'an overrated duck defense' but with Daniels it doesn't even matter if they won at all?

The weird logic circles here are the point.

Either wins don't matter AT ALL PERIOD, or they contribute something. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Codaxx]

If you compare what Moon did over his two seasons with what Penix has done with his, there's no comparison.

24-2 on a team that was 4-8 before he joined it.

Entirely unprecedented.

Washington had some excellent QBs. Warren Moon will sit on the top of them. People will compare stats and not realize how much the game has changed. You have Brunell and Billy Joes. Browning and Tuasiosopo (Sp?). Jake Locker. That is much tougher list than Mario Bailey and Reggie Williams

 

[Wizardhawk]

Washington had some excellent QBs. Warren Moon will sit on the top of them. People will compare stats and not realize how much the game has changed. You have Brunell and Billy Joes. Browning and Tuasiosopo (Sp?). Jake Locker. That is much tougher list than Mario Bailey and Reggie Williams

Already answered that several posts up. Spoke to several of those, and Browning is also up there.

You have a hard time topping 24-2 after the team he joined was 4-8. Some want to say results don't matter, but of course they matter lol. It's weird that we are supposed to like other guys on teams that lose more than teams that win. It's just a silly argument.

 

[Codaxx]

Already answered that several posts up. Spoke to several of those, and Browning is also up there.

You have a hard time topping 24-2 after the team he joined was 4-8. Some want to say results don't matter, but of course they matter lol. It's weird that we are supposed to like other guys on teams that lose more than teams that win. It's just a silly argument.

I don’t give the QB the entire credit for a teams win/loss record, that is where we disagree. That kidney of reminds me of listening to Greg McElroy. He said it is hard for a team to overcome inconsistency at QB and win.. I wanted to grad him by his shirt and say “Look in the mirror, you dumb SOB”

 

[Wizardhawk]

I don’t give the QB the entire credit for a teams win/loss record, that is where we disagree

'entire' is a strawman argument. QB is a bigger difference maker than all other spots on a football team. Their input matters.

Your first jump into this convo was attempting to suggest Penix isn't an easy pick for best player on this team and I just couldn't disagree with that more. Odunze is a flat-out stud and will get drafted much higher than Penix. Mike's injury history and weird throwing angle largely will put him 2nd or 3rd round pick at best, but that doesn't change how much impact he directly had on this team. He's THE leader of the team. They have circled around him. His return this year inspired others to return instead of jumping to the NFL.

There is no doubt in my mind at all that Penix is the best player on this team. You can argue Bo is also a special player in terms of best player in the conference. Given that he won the Maxwell, there are a whole lot of people nationwide that feel Penix is the best player in FBS so this isn't just a homer opinion.

 

[Handicappers]

Steve Owen's won it with OK having a 6-4 record

Fuck you, fatso.

 

[broncosmitty]

Not that I watched, but the Heisman is more important than a mid season nba tournament.

I’ll always go for competition over awards shows.

But I know most here would rather watch the Grammys.