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You don’t think UNC and others with an out will sue for the same deal?
Don't stick a fork in the ACC yet...
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The minute FSU is out of the ACC they will have an offer to join the Big Ten and the SEC.
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Maybe but you have to answer a few questions.
1) Do you have a spot in the Big Ten or SEC? Nobody will pay a huge exit fee to go to the Big 12. The payouts in the ACC vs. the Big 12 are pretty similar. You have to be 100% confident that you have a spot in the P2 before you even entertaining paying the penalty.
2) Can you afford it and are you willing to pay it?
3) What are the political obstacles? UNC has an NC State problem. Think UCLA and Cal. UCLA owes Cal a big chunk of money. You could see similar dynamics for UNC. UCLA was willing to do it but they didn't have to pay a huge exit penalty which the ACC schools would be subjected to?
I think UNC ultimately leaves. Not sure what "others" you are referencing. Maybe Miami.
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1 is definitely the key. I too don’t think it’ll be too many with a P2 option. But I think 2 (FSU and UNC) are for sure and it could be up to 4. (Two of Clem, UVA, Miami, Duke). I still don’t think the ACC should just cut a deal with all 4 of them. Losing FSU, UNC, Clemson and Miami (just an example for the last 2) would severely hurt the ACC per team payout as the backfill is a few and far between (if any) that could legit replace their value. Thats why I wouldn’t put the precedence of settling on the table.
Also and this may be a few years away, but is the B1G really going to shut the door on Stanford forever? I truthfully don’t believe that for 2 reasons, academics and ND.
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Considering FSU has already sent inquiries to both leagues I would imagine they would be the ones to officially request an invite.
I also imagine both leagues will be interested to see who follows them if anyone. It’s tough to just bring in one school and I’d be fine with the SEC holding with what they have.
But thats the rub for the moment, isnt it? When? Could be several more years, the ACC isn't going to deal with FSU, they can't afford to.
And an immediate offer is not based on any evidence, its just what the pundits keep repeating as conventional wisdom. It ignores many tangibles that have to be considered.
Anyway, SEC doesn't need FSU. B1G may want them or may not, but I still haven't seen anything to make me believe an invite is is an immediate forgone conclusion until a few other items fall into place.
If they DO leave (and they can do so any time they like) I think they are leaning Independent until that happens and THEN maybe B1G invites them. After all, their claimed valuation to the ACC is what they are looking to make in P2.
It's already expensive to leave. That's the price and FSU isn't willing to pay it, that's what GOR is supposed to do.
ACC goes the way of PAC if it DOES let anyone go that wants out.
GOR is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do.
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If the ACC wants to fight this to the end, they may end up in the scenario you are hoping to afford. Settling lets you set the bar to exit high. If the ACC fights it in court, they could end up losing. Then it's a true free for all and the conference is either destroyed or becomes unrecognizable. It's a big gamble to fight this to the end.
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The minute they are available, the Big Ten and SEC will offer FSU. The SEC may not "need" FSU but they won't want to share the Florida market with the Big Ten. The Big Ten will want FSU. There's no "may" about it.
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I don't think Duke is really getting any consideration. I think NC State and VA Tech are more in play than they are. Those two have the ability to tie themselves to UNC and UVA and maybe that's enough to push them over the finish line. Basketball just doesn't move the needle enough and it's a small private school that's irrelevant in football.
I agree on Stanford. I'm not convinced the door has totally shut on them. I don't think the door is totally shut on Utah either. That's the real reason they have an out for the Big 12 and the reason their coach made the comments that he did. They have P2 aspirations and are on the Big Ten's radar. I'm not saying either will definitely end up in the Big Ten but it's possible.
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Ok. Agree to disagree. We'll find out who is right eventually.
I could be wrong about the SEC. They might be content with Florida and be willing to let the Big Ten do whatever. However, based on what I've heard about BTN and FOX's desire to get into the state of Florida, I don't see how it's possible that FSU would become available and the Big Ten would say "no thanks". I think we'll find out soon because I think FSU's ACC days are numbered.
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While it’s a long shot I could see Duke as a possibility as a partner for UNC to the B1G. The basketball rivalry factor with them and Maryland plus the excellent academics they possess. It is very similar to UVA. Although still I think Duke would be a long shot. I just don’t think the SEC will want VaTech or NCSt for much of the same reason they don’t want WVU, the value just isn’t there to add to everyone else’s slice of pie. It sucks but it’s reality imo.
I believe Utah could go to the B1G, I just don’t think the B1G has decided when they are going to stop adding teams. There is a possibility too that the B1G doesn’t add anyone until ND leaves independence and joins a conference.
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Agree with some, disagree with some.
1) Duke has no chance. Basketball doesn't matter and they aren't tied to UNC.
2) You're likely right about VT and NC State. Being tied to UNC and UVA give them a chance (even if it's small).
3) Big Ten will expand with or without Notre Dame. A lot of people said the Big Ten wouldn't expand again without ND after the Big Ten added USC. The Big Ten's business plan doesn't depend on Notre Dame. Of course they would love to have them but their plan to create a national conference isn't dependent on Notre Dame's decisions.
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1) Agree to disagree. Again it’s small but I think there is still a chance.
2) The SEC isn’t likely going to take two teams from the same state so VPI and NCSt being tied to UVA and UNC wouldn’t work, but I don’t think that’ll matter as they (VPI and NCst) aren’t getting invites there.
3) While I think the B1G will expand and yes they don’t need ND, Fox isn’t going to let them load up with whomever and however many they want. Their plan when adding should always be to save a spot for ND. Maybe that spot gets filled maybe not but the spot should always be there.
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a two tier system? most schools voted for unequal revenue sharing..INCLUDING Nebraska and aggy.
Deloss Dodds brought the idea of a conference network.. Dan Beebe then brought it up to Tom Osborne who nixed it along with aggy.. Deloss then asked aggy if they wanted to share a Texas Network with them, also was declined.
This whole thing of..IF they had equal revenue sharing.. IF they had a conference network.. You still don't get it.. that version of the Big12 was a shot gun marriage between the Big8 and SWC.. there was animosity from the get go. Baylor lawyered their way in, aggy never wanted to be there.. those schools in the Big8 didn't like Nebraska like that..which is the reason why they voted WITH UT when it came to moving the CCG to JerryWorld permanently..against Nebraska's wishes.
and Mizzu?? lol they were the ones that STARTED realignment within the conference.. Or have we all forgotten how they were lifting their skirts in public when talking about how much they wanted to be in the BiG? Only to get backdoored by Nebraska who took that spot.. they were lucky that aggy made the move to the SEC, because if they didn't.. they weren't taking Mizzu alone
Thank goodness FOR the LHN network..that deal kept UT in the Big12.. where a 10 team school was being paid as if they were 12.. UT allowed for equal revenue.. those schools were getting paid more than the ACC and PAC..and for just the first 2 tiers.. they were able to keep thier tier 3 sports to themselves.
The orphan 8 or whatever nickname there is for those schools were able to upgrade it's facilites and coaches.. It's the reason why they are still standing today with a better outlook than the ACC and the reason the PAC fell despite it's glorious history
If anyone's interested.. this is an article from over a decade ago that talked about the evil of unequal sharing.. (it wasn't)
Unequal Revenue Sharing in the Big 12
A lot of BS is being spewed about the Big 12’s disproportionate revenue sharing, and how greedy Texas is. A few things to remember: 1. Revenue sharing is a function of TV appearances and bowl...
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All this ^ confirms that Texas is at fault.a two tier system? most schools voted for unequal revenue sharing..INCLUDING Nebraska and aggy.
Deloss Dodds brought the idea of a conference network.. Dan Beebe then brought it up to Tom Osborne who nixed it along with aggy.. Deloss then asked aggy if they wanted to share a Texas Network with them, also was declined.
This whole thing of..IF they had equal revenue sharing.. IF they had a conference network.. You still don't get it.. that version of the Big12 was a shot gun marriage between the Big8 and SWC.. there was animosity from the get go. Baylor lawyered their way in, aggy never wanted to be there.. those schools in the Big8 didn't like Nebraska like that..which is the reason why they voted WITH UT when it came to moving the CCG to JerryWorld permanently..against Nebraska's wishes.
and Mizzu?? lol they were the ones that STARTED realignment within the conference.. Or have we all forgotten how they were lifting their skirts in public when talking about how much they wanted to be in the BiG? Only to get backdoored by Nebraska who took that spot.. they were lucky that aggy made the move to the SEC, because if they didn't.. they weren't taking Mizzu alone
Thank goodness FOR the LHN network..that deal kept UT in the Big12.. where a 10 team school was being paid as if they were 12.. UT allowed for equal revenue.. those schools were getting paid more than the ACC and PAC..and for just the first 2 tiers.. they were able to keep thier tier 3 sports to themselves.
The orphan 8 or whatever nickname there is for those schools were able to upgrade it's facilites and coaches.. It's the reason why they are still standing today with a better outlook than the ACC and the reason the PAC fell despite it's glorious history
If anyone's interested.. this is an article from over a decade ago that talked about the evil of unequal sharing.. (it wasn't)
Unequal Revenue Sharing in the Big 12
A lot of BS is being spewed about the Big 12’s disproportionate revenue sharing, and how greedy Texas is. A few things to remember: 1. Revenue sharing is a function of TV appearances and bowl...
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of course.. luckily for the remaining Big12.. UT made sure to kill the PAC first... next up? Auburn
They don’t need any help, they’re killing themselves just fine on their own.
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You've been warned when we want you to have an opinion we will give it to you. Now back in the box gimp until you can behave.