I don't think I will ever totally understand CFB Coaching Jobs rankings

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Everyone has their own criteria.

To me it's:

-Can you recruit elite talent?
-What are the facilities like?
-What's the hot seat situation like?
-Do you have enough financial support to hire a top tier staff?
 
To me, it's are you in a place that makes you happy and is a nice place to live?

Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin had a GREAT gig. Hayden Fry @ Iowa had a GREAT gig.

Neither one would have been a happier or a better coach at any of the places on the list.
 
78Cyclones said:
To me, it's are you in a place that makes you happy and is a nice place to live?

Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin had a GREAT gig. Hayden Fry @ Iowa had a GREAT gig.

Neither one would have been a happier or a better coach at any of the places on the list.
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I'll preface this by saying none of these are hurting for money. I can think of several that are currently in the Big 12 that are similar to those you listed. (Some without the length of time.) I'd say Gundy @ Oklahoma State, Whittingham @ Utah, Kleiman @ K-State, Campbell @ Iowa State and Leipold @ Kansas are that type. Pretty sure all of those have been approached/offered by B1G and/or SEC schools and some by the even bigger name brands in those conferences. Sure appears like all turned down more money and prestige. Don't know the reasons for turning them down but they seem to have some. For how long they'll continue to stay put, who knows. Pretty sure Gundy and Whittingham will ride off into the sunset from where they are.

You and I (and those you listed and ones that think like you listed) probably aren't in the majority. Conventional wisdom seems the to be (1) a big name brand that can land the more talented recruits that take less developing to be top shelf-NIL may mitigate that for some exceptions but probably not much. (2) salary for both head coach and assistants (3) bells and whistles that wealthy alumni provide. With those come very high expectations which often border on the ridiculous so there is a small downside. But hey, some of those guys get paid a bunch not to coach.

A case could be made for those schools that are one notch below the big name brands. How about a Mizzou or Miss State type where the salaries are still huge. A little more difficulty recruiting the top talent. A few less bells and whistles but still good money available. And they come with more realistic expectations.
 
I would guess there is a balance between this:

1. How fertile the recruiting grounds are - that is why you see Florida, Ga, TX, Cali schools so high.
1a. Geography and conference - warm weather, P2 has to be more attractive.
2. Tradition, along with fan support - again, the top schools are Blue Bloods or long time elite programs.
3. How patient are the fans and the boosters - candidly, this is why I think Bama is a little lower ... you better have some thick skin if you don't win fast. Historically this cut against TX and their nosey boosters. Same with Bama.
4. In today's time, NIL - can the school come up with NIL
5. Ability to pay salaries for HC and staff.
6. Facilities or commitment to building them - it is still important.
 
For instance, Oregon.

I do get the appeal with great facility, Nike using them as lab rats for top product, and they have had one of the more successful programs in recent history. Why haven't they been able to keep a coach from going elsewhere since Bellotti left 15 years ago. It isn't because the coaches got fired, they left for "better" jobs.

Oregon has a great coaching job, buy why is it such a stepping stone for coaches?
 
iowajerms said:
For instance, Oregon.

I do get the appeal with great facility, Nike using them as lab rats for top product, and they have had one of the more successful programs in recent history. Why haven't they been able to keep a coach from going elsewhere since Bellotti left 15 years ago. It isn't because the coaches got fired, they left for "better" jobs.

Oregon has a great coaching job, buy why is it such a stepping stone for coaches?
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Current coach just turned down Bama.

1 coach was fired. Another went to the NFL.
 
And… Scene! Let’s set up for the next shot. Bring in the Duck and the cheer squad. C’mon people! Let’s go! The light in perfect, now!
 
The biggest factor is expectations, imho.

Some folks are built for the pressure that comes with trying to win at Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC.

Some folks aren't.

Most major programs now have the facilities, the boosters/NIL, etc.

I wish DeBoer well, but no one should want to be "the guy who follows the guy". Ask Earle Bruce.
 
cwerph said:
The biggest factor is expectations, imho.

Some folks are built for the pressure that comes with trying to win at Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, USC.

Some folks aren't.

Most major programs now have the facilities, the boosters/NIL, etc.

I wish DeBoer well, but no one should want to be "the guy who follows the guy". Ask Earle Bruce.
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DeBoer leaving what he had to go into a unwinnable job tells you what a bare cupboard uw is. Everyone left, guy can't recruit, he knew the wheels were going to fall right off this year and the years moving forward, so he bailed, got a payday at Alabama where he won't make it because literally no one can following Saban, but get that buyout paycheck and enjoy life.

He saw it as who provided the better buyout check? uw in 2 years or Alabama in 2 years? He chose the correct move.
 
OregonDucks said:
DeBoer leaving what he had to go into a unwinnable job tells you what a bare cupboard uw is. Everyone left, guy can't recruit, he knew the wheels were going to fall right off this year and the years moving forward, so he bailed, got a payday at Alabama where he won't make it because literally no one can following Saban, but get that buyout paycheck and enjoy life.

He saw it as who provided the better buyout check? uw in 2 years or Alabama in 2 years? He chose the correct move.
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Alabama is recruiting pretty well under Deboer.
 
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