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It’s not. Michigan isn’t his only stop. He has had success everywhere he has been. Some times you have to be reasonable for people to take you seriously
Not taking away from his success at Stanford. In fact I often said David Shaw was incredibly overrated as his team got worse the further he got from the Harbaugh years.

However, he wasn't great at michigan before the Stallions years. Oddly enough his best teams at michigan before 2021 were his first two, which were largely Hoke recruits. He couldn't beat OSU, was only .500 against MSU, and didn't have any major OOC wins really until 2023 against Alabama. Hell, Hoke's team in 2011 was better than any Harbaugh team until 2021.
 
Didn’t Georgia change their mascot to a Hellcat? Glass houses. People need some perspective, say you want about Stallions, but he doesn’t have bodies on his resume
You're behind. I acknowledged our driving problems above. Unlike UM fans, I am embarrassed by it and don't embrace it.

Our program and coaches don't have bodies on their resume ... you can only do so much to control the players. And if you think that a 3 year cheating scheme is the same as some players that drive too fast, not sure what to tell you, but it's not the same thing.
 
You're behind. I acknowledged our driving problems above. Unlike UM fans, I am embarrassed by it and don't embrace it.

Our program and coaches don't have bodies on their resume ... you can only do so much to control the players. And if you think that a 3 year cheating scheme is the same as some players that drive too fast, not sure what to tell you, but it's not the same thing.
If you are embarrassed by it, why would you be in here pretending Georgia is beacon of moral superiority and culture? There have been 24 separate driving issues, since the Carter incident in Jan 2023. Seems to me that nobody is concerned about discipline
 
If you are embarrassed by it, why would you be in here pretending Georgia is beacon of moral superiority and culture? There have been 24 separate driving issues, since the Carter incident in Jan 2023. Seems to me that nobody is concerned about discipline

Michigan fans are the only ones hilariously claiming moral superiority
 
If you are embarrassed by it, why would you be in here pretending Georgia is beacon of moral superiority and culture? There have been 24 separate driving issues, since the Carter incident in Jan 2023. Seems to me that nobody is concerned about discipline
Dude you don't need to try so hard. Everybody is giving credit to Texas for the michigan win, you don't need to suddenly rush in to defend them.
 
If you are embarrassed by it, why would you be in here pretending Georgia is beacon of moral superiority and culture? There have been 24 separate driving issues, since the Carter incident in Jan 2023. Seems to me that nobody is concerned about discipline
LOL ... how many driving issues do you think other teams have, you just don't seem to see it reported. Every 18-22 year old kid speeds and drives fast. There is only so much you can do. And, we kicked off one player this past summer, and just sat our RB1 for the Clemson game because of a DUI. Tons of discipline, but at the end of the day there is only so much you can do.

You can't be serious to compare this to the cheating going on at UM. Their HC was suspended for 6 games during their NC season and had to flee to the NFL because he would have been out of CFB for at least 5 fucking years. I, am embarrassed by the driving at UGA, while the UM people here have a 250+ page thread defending their cheating. Surely you can see the difference.

I would also point out that I have freely admitted to where UGA has screwed up and been against it.
 
LOL ... how many driving issues do you think other teams have, you just don't seem to see it reported. Every 18-22 year old kid speeds and drives fast. There is only so much you can do. And, we kicked off one player this past summer, and just sat our RB1 for the Clemson game because of a DUI. Tons of discipline, but at the end of the day there is only so much you can do.

You can't be serious to compare this to the cheating going on at UM. Their HC was suspended for 6 games during their NC season and had to flee to the NFL because he would have been out of CFB for at least 5 fucking years. I, am embarrassed by the driving at UGA, while the UM people here have a 250+ page thread defending their cheating. Surely you can see the difference.

I would also point out that I have freely admitted to where UGA has screwed up and been against it.
How many other teams have issues that result in deaths and still have kids racing afterwards?

You have achieved Barry Switzer culture.

I am merely pointing out that perhaps you should look at your own program. It’s obviously an issue as it was a major talking point at the SEC media day. Big questions being asked were what discipline has Smart done to try and curb the behavior
 
How many other teams have issues that result in deaths and still have kids racing afterwards?

You have achieved Barry Switzer culture.

I am merely pointing out that perhaps you should look at your own program. It’s obviously an issue as it was a major talking point at the SEC media day. Big questions being asked were what discipline has Smart done to try and curb the behavior
Once again, I have looked at my program. We have a speeding problem. The coaches have done everything they know to do. What part of that are you missing? What more would you have them do? I told you that they have kicked at least 2 players off the team, suspended RB1 for the first game against a quality opponent, and then tons of internal discipline ... running steps all summer, lost NIL, etc. At no time has UGA not taken this seriously.

And, at no time is that in any way comparable to UM cheating their ass of for 3 years. Period. End of discussion.
 
Once again, I have looked at my program. We have a speeding problem. The coaches have done everything they know to do. What part of that are you missing? What more would you have them do? I told you that they have kicked at least 2 players off the team, suspended RB1 for the first game against a quality opponent, and then tons of internal discipline ... running steps all summer, lost NIL, etc. At no time has UGA not taken this seriously.

And, at no time is that in any way comparable to UM cheating their ass of 3 years. Period. End of discussion.
Yes, you kicked a kid off for beating his kids and wife. Huge round of applause for that

again this was started by your silly comment that culture was the difference, between maintaining success. When we all know it is all about recruiting differences, not some BS culture talk. Michigan won a title and had probably the lowest recruiting ranking in modern times (BYU being the exception). That speaks more to culture and development
 
Yes, you kicked a kid off for beating his kids and wife. Huge round of applause for that

again this was started by your silly comment that culture was the difference, between maintaining success. When we all know it is all about recruiting differences, not some BS culture talk. Michigan won a title and had probably the lowest recruiting ranking in modern times (BYU being the exception). That speaks more to culture and development
The 2019-2022 recruiting classes, which is where basically every major piece of the 2023 michigan team came from, was on average a top 10 recruiting class. Please tell me you aren't comparing that to BYU winning with a bunch of Dan Smiths. Clemson won two titles with I think one class that was ranked top 10 in that timeframe. They've subsequently fallen off with higher rated classes, but I digress.

There was also another big part having to do with "culture" that started at michigan in 2021.
 
Yes, you kicked a kid off for beating his kids and wife. Huge round of applause for that

again this was started by your silly comment that culture was the difference, between maintaining success. When we all know it is all about recruiting differences, not some BS culture talk. Michigan won a title and had probably the lowest recruiting ranking in modern times (BYU being the exception). That speaks more to culture and development
TF you talking about. Yes, culture is huge, and UGA has a great culture. It's why they recruit so well. It's why we place so many players in the NFL. If you think some players driving fast is a culture problem, you are an idiot. Look at the Twitter pages of the UGA players parents (that's rhetorical) ... they love UGA and Smart. There isn't a culture problem at UGA, that's for damn sure.

when Smart indirectly addressed the arrests and his disappointment.

“You want your kids, your players to make better decisions,” Smart said. “I always talk about processing outcomes in wins and losses. We try not to base things on outcomes. In this case, the outcomes are very disappointing.”

“But I am very pleased with the process we’ve put in in terms of education, driver safety, requiring defensive driving, education, talking about it, having leaders stand up and talk about it, bringing speakers in, suspending or dismissing players,” he added.


There have been questions about how the UGA program is disciplining the players for their arrests and citations.

Smart didn’t go into specifics, but pointed out there have been fines, suspensions and dismissals in the past year for the program.

“I don’t know, to this point, anyone coaching college football that has suspended a player for a driving citation. We have and we’ve also dismissed players based on driving citations. Nobody’s done that,” Smart said.


Not sure what else you would want UGA to do. You don't think Texas has players who speed? GTFOH.
 
The 2019-2022 recruiting classes, which is where basically every major piece of the 2023 michigan team came from, was on average a top 10 recruiting class. Please tell me you aren't comparing that to BYU winning with a bunch of Dan Smiths. Clemson won two titles with I think one class that was ranked top 10 in that timeframe. They've subsequently fallen off with higher rated classes, but I digress.

There was also another big part having to do with "culture" that started at michigan in 2021.
I believe Michigan is the first team to win NC with a 5 year average class ranking outside the top 10
 
TF you talking about. Yes, culture is huge, and UGA has a great culture. It's why they recruit so well. It's why we place so many players in the NFL. If you think some players driving fast is a culture problem, you are an idiot. Look at the Twitter pages of the UGA players parents (that's rhetorical) ... they love UGA and Smart. There isn't a culture problem at UGA, that's for damn sure.

when Smart indirectly addressed the arrests and his disappointment.

“You want your kids, your players to make better decisions,” Smart said. “I always talk about processing outcomes in wins and losses. We try not to base things on outcomes. In this case, the outcomes are very disappointing.”

“But I am very pleased with the process we’ve put in in terms of education, driver safety, requiring defensive driving, education, talking about it, having leaders stand up and talk about it, bringing speakers in, suspending or dismissing players,” he added.


There have been questions about how the UGA program is disciplining the players for their arrests and citations.

Smart didn’t go into specifics, but pointed out there have been fines, suspensions and dismissals in the past year for the program.

“I don’t know, to this point, anyone coaching college football that has suspended a player for a driving citation. We have and we’ve also dismissed players based on driving citations. Nobody’s done that,” Smart said.


Not sure what else you would want UGA to do. You don't think Texas has players who speed? GTFOH.
I am an idiot for thinking a culture of street racing is bad.. it’s a national story, so there must be a lot of idiots out there. That is one theory. another is you sitting there with a biscuit sipping up Kirby’s BS
 
I believe Michigan is the first team to win NC with a 5 year average class ranking outside the top 10
That is off. I forgot Auburn was the lowest.. Clemson had 1 outside the top 10
 
I believe Michigan is the first team to win NC with a 5 year average class ranking outside the top 10
I'm not sure how many of their players were 6th year seniors from the 2018 class, I just know the 2019-2022 classes had an average ranking of 10th overall, and none of their true freshmen from the 2023 class were major contributors. They had a ton of 4th/5th year guys obviously, which is an outlier.
 
This is the story. Lowest “talent metric”, since 2015. Not sure where Auburn was.


Problem here is comparing them to teams from before the transfer portal era. In addition to an average class in the top 10 from 2019-2022, they also had the 7th best portal class in 2023 from a per player average. This article only takes into account recruiting rankings.
 
I'm not sure how many of their players were 6th year seniors from the 2018 class, I just know the 2019-2022 classes had an average ranking of 10th overall, and none of their true freshmen from the 2023 class were major contributors. They had a ton of 4th/5th year guys obviously, which is an outlier.

^^ THIS ^^

Look no further than (FCS) North Dakota St hanging with Colorado. You've got to build a foundation with recruiting and have guys in your system building a chemistry. Particularly on the lines.
NDSU does that. Colorado does not.

Deion brought in just 12 recruits in the 2024 class. However, he had some 43 transfers come in. He's not even trying to build a future foundation for Colorado.
He's just using Colorado to get his kids and Travis Hunter more exposure than they would have gotten at Jackson St.

When his personal projects (Shedeur, Shiloh, & Travis) move on so will he and he'll leave Colorado in the basement where he found them (if not worse off) for the next HC.
 
Problem here is comparing them to teams from before the transfer portal era. In addition to an average class in the top 10 from 2019-2022, they also had the 7th best portal class in 2023 from a per player average. This article only takes into account recruiting rankings.
And Auburn brought in Cam, so not sure how that was calculated. Point is valid though
 
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