Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!

[Deep Creek]

Yeah, no way that the bottom of the P2 would ever vote for this. Believe it or not, but the P2 seems fine knowing that teams like Vandy, UF, NW, Illinois, etc., get a full share. And, how would this be good for competition? Right now the disparities are not horrible. But if you get 16 schools getting $250 million, and the bottom getting $30 million, that's worse than what we have now.

Also, are they sure an expanded playoff would generate more money? You can only expand it so far before you are playing 20 games a season. And no one is going to vote for fewer regular season games.

This is a point I raise all the time is that the minute you get rid of the Vandys, someone else becomes Vandy. Losses are zero sum. In this case, the minute you get rid of G5 and FCS opponents, then some of the 70 become the G5 schools. In other words, the bottom tier in particular win 3-4 games a year playing the G5. Take that away, and 4-8 teams become 1-11 teams. Who wants that?

They aren't if you are ones at the top of the disparity totem pole.

 

[Deep Creek]

Also, are they sure an expanded playoff would generate more money? You can only expand it so far before you are playing 20 games a season. And no one is going to vote for fewer regular season games.

This is a point I raise all the time is that the minute you get rid of the Vandys, someone else becomes Vandy. Losses are zero sum. In this case, the minute you get rid of G5 and FCS opponents, then some of the 70 become the G5 schools. In other words, the bottom tier in particular win 3-4 games a year playing the G5. Take that away, and 4-8 teams become 1-11 teams. Who wants that?

That's one piece of the revenue increase but they can't increase the field because of what you reference.

I think more of the increased revenue will come from OOC games involving the marquee names in the B1G and SEC. Penn State vs Oklahoma should draw a lot more eyeballs than Penn State vs WVU or Oklahoma vs Houston. Much less Penn State vs Kent State or Oklahoma vs Temple type games.

And some of the 70 are already G5 schools. If Boise and UNLV were ACC/Big 12 teams this year they'd win more games than some of the dregs in those two conferences.

And you silly hairy Dawg, Vandy is going to be in the SEC CCG this year. They are on a roll.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You read it correctly. You just aren't recognizing the other end. The top Tier 1 top 16 schools' revenue.

The thing to support your point is the increased revenue over time MAY WELL BE large enough to pay the Vandy, NW types what the Tier 1/top 16 teams will earn anyway.

Unless they totally break up the conferences, my point is that the lower teams have veto power over something like this. Unless the lower tiers of the P2 are taken care of, they aren't going to go along with this.

The other things this doesn't make clear is whether the conference go away. That's a non-starter. I could care less about other teams in other conferences, for the most part. I hate my SEC rivals, and only a few from other conferences. Rivalry drives CFB more than anything.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

They aren't if you are ones at the top of the disparity totem pole.

My point is that P2 money v. non-P2 P4 money disparity isn't as large as what the article said it will be. I just don't see the P2 caring enough to make money for the other conferences.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

That's one piece of the revenue increase but they can't increase the field because of what you reference.

I think more of the increased revenue will come from OOC games involving the marquee names in the B1G and SEC. Penn State vs Oklahoma should draw a lot more eyeballs than Penn State vs WVU or Oklahoma vs Houston. Much less Penn State vs Kent State or Oklahoma vs Temple type games.

And some of the 70 are already G5 schools. If Boise and UNLV were ACC/Big 12 teams this year they'd win more games than some of the dregs in those two conferences.

And you silly hairy Dawg, Vandy is going to be in the SEC CCG this year. They are on a roll.

If the extra money is in more OOC, then just have more OOC games. The P2 can negotiate that with the media companies. And, most of the OOC, if not all the OCC games that matter are the P2 teams plus Clemson and FSU. What OOC games out of the non-P2 P4 (we need an acronym for that) would drive substantial revenue? Colorado as long as Deon is there? UNC? meh. Miami? So, just do a scheduling deal like they are discussing now and that takes care of the extra money. I am sure that Fox, NBC, and Disney would be open to that.

 

[Deep Creek]

My point is that P2 money v. non-P2 P4 money disparity isn't as large as what the article said it will be. I just don't see the P2 caring enough to make money for the other conferences.

I don't either. But I've long wondered how long the big money makers care to make money for the smaller money makers.

 

[Deep Creek]

If the extra money is in more OOC, then just have more OOC games. The P2 can negotiate that with the media companies. And, most of the OOC, if not all the OCC games that matter are the P2 teams plus Clemson and FSU. What OOC games out of the non-P2 P4 (we need an acronym for that) would drive substantial revenue? Colorado as long as Deon is there? UNC? meh. Miami? So, just do a scheduling deal like they are discussing now and that takes care of the extra money. I am sure that Fox, NBC, and Disney would be open to that.

It is not just "more" OOC games. It is "more" OOC games involving marquee names that increase viewership.

"The growth is derived from holding 1.5 times more “marquee” games (playoffs, top bowls) and three times more “quality” games (rivalries and blue-blood matchups); while eliminating games against non-power opponents (currently 18% of FBS scheduling)."

I used Penn State and Oklahoma as examples previously. What OOC game did either have this year that would be considered "marquee" or "quality" in terms of viewership?

Penn State - WVU, Bowling Green, Kent State.
Oklahoma - Temple, Houston, Tulane (They do play the mighty Maine Bears later in the year.)

 

[PeoplesChicken]

Within 10 years conferences will be no more.

 

[Tomhusker]

Within 10 years conferences will be no more.

Yup. Only leagues and divisions.