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Mike Gundy Shares Ominous Warning About State Of College Football

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy shared an ominous warning about the state of college football and money.
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"Player retention is based on money. I’ll give you an example. If you’re playing on our team and we go 3-9 and right now you’re making $12,000 and we say, ‘Hey, if you come back we’ll pay you $250,000.’ What are you going to do? Player retention is probably 90 percent built on money now. Not other things. It’s changed," Gundy responded when asked about player retention and guys maybe wanting to win a title.

Translation: Winning doesn't matter anymore to players. Just show them the cash.


I'm not sure 90% is built on money because I think the 1st and 2nd rounders are still going to want the exposure a major program is going to get for them especially at some key positions like QB and secondary. There is no doubt EVERYTHING has changed at this point and will never go back.
 
Translation: He is still concussed from challenging a cow to a headbutting contest and doesn't know where he is. Also, they need the estate of T Boone to keep giving the school money.
 
I was told college football is in a great spot
 
And paying players is all cyclical. Right now it is all brand new and everyone is in a money grab. I still think exposure and playing for a "prestigious" school is the goal of every kid, but for sure the second rate and below schools will have to pay more money if they want the top talent.

The alternative is to recruit the right type of kid, develop that kid, then give them the vision of how it can lead to bettering that kids life. Yes some of that will be money, but if you are a P4 school and can't afford to pay your players then that's on you and your school. Is Gundy going to take less money in his paycheck to help retain a kid? Hell no.
 
Finally, a thread for Nebraska fans!

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I mean it is the Wild Wild West out there. I don't blame Saban for hanging it up. Probably needs to be some kind of guidelines.
 
fordman84 said:
It is. Just because some melodramatic millionaire is complaining about kids making thousands of dollars, doesn't mean CFB is doomed.
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Eh. Not an attack on you, but I hate this thing where anytime anyone says cfb or college sports in general isn't as good as it once was, all of the fans of big time schools come running to say its better than ever. I don't give a shit how much a coach makes. Maybe we should listen to them when they speak. They know the system and all the pros/cons better than you and I. And there's a hell of a lot of them that are saying things need to be fixed.

And for the most part, I don't see many people complaining anymore about kids making money. That's not the issue. I didn't see Gundy complain here about kids getting paid. I see him complaining about the process of it all. Is that not a valid concern? Its ok to say that kids should be able to make money, while also saying the system needs to be fixed. Its also ok to say that kids should be able to transfer and play wherever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want. Regular students can. But that it has taken a little away from the game.

Cfb has become more and more about tv ratings (why as a fan should I give a shit how many people are watching the game I'm watching) and how much the big time schools can pay a player.
 
RubinRock said:
Eh. Not an attack on you, but I hate this thing where anytime anyone says cfb or college sports in general isn't as good as it once was, all of the fans of big time schools come running to say its better than ever. I don't give a shit how much a coach makes. Maybe we should listen to them when they speak. They know the system and all the pros/cons better than you and I. And there's a hell of a lot of them that are saying things need to be fixed.

And for the most part, I don't see many people complaining anymore about kids making money. That's not the issue. I didn't see Gundy complain here about kids getting paid. I see him complaining about the process of it all. Is that not a valid concern? Its ok to say that kids should be able to make money, while also saying the system needs to be fixed. Its also ok to say that kids should be able to transfer and play wherever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want. Regular students can. But that it has taken a little away from the game.

Cfb has become more and more about tv ratings (why as a fan should I give a shit how many people are watching the game I'm watching) and how much the big time schools can pay a player.
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It's ok, I didn't and don't feel attacked :suds:

But the same arguments we hear now about CFB we heard when free agency was introduced in pro sports, each and every one. And the next step is we will hear the same arguments about NIL reform that we heard about salary caps. Schools that have figured out how to adapt with the changes are doing well, those that have coaches or administrations desperately clinging to the "ways of yesteryear" are the ones that are kicking and screaming about the transfer portal and NIL.

For a century the schools and the NCAA operated as a cartel. They controlled all the rules and took in all the money and if anyone didn't like it then tough, there is no alternative. They even went as far as to collude with the professional leagues to freaking force kids into college instead of having a path directly to the NFL, NBA, and to a lesser degree the MLB.

And who are the ones that are harmed in these changes? Is it the school that completely controls their spend on coaches, dev, and player costs? No. Is it the coaches who have always been paid as much as they can get and leave whenever they wanted? No. Is it the players who now have the freedom to change their mind, hold coaches who made promises on the recruiting trail accountable, or command market value for their services? No.
The only people that "lose" are the fans of the teams who have had historical success and now see that cornered-market slipping away, and they fear having to actually work and compete in an open market to get kids to play for them.
 
fordman84 said:
But the same arguments we hear now about CFB we heard when free agency was introduced in pro sports, each and every one. And the next step is we will hear the same arguments about NIL reform that we heard about salary caps. Schools that have figured out how to adapt with the changes are doing well, those that have coaches or administrations desperately clinging to the "ways of yesteryear" are the ones that are kicking and screaming about the transfer portal and NIL.
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There's always going to be people that don't want any change and its the end of the world if there is. But right now cfb is becoming more and more what the NFL is. This is just me personally, but I do think a lot of people agree with this, I don't want cfb to try and be the NFL. If I want to watch the NFL, I'll watch the NFL. The on field product in the NFL is much better than college. I like college for all the things that make it unique. Taking those things away, hurts the sport in my eyes.

fordman84 said:
For a century the schools and the NCAA operated as a cartel. They controlled all the rules and took in all the money and if anyone didn't like it then tough, there is no alternative. They even went as far as to collude with the professional leagues to freaking force kids into college instead of having a path directly to the NFL, NBA, and to a lesser degree the MLB.
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I know why all this is happening and you won't really hear me defend the NCAA. I wish they would just die off. The only thing I will say in its defense, no matter what they did in the past, people would have bitched about them. But its a greedy organization that refused to adapt as the economy of cfb boomed.
fordman84 said:
The only people that "lose" are the fans of the teams who have had historical success and now see that cornered-market slipping away, and they fear having to actually work and compete in an open market to get kids to play for them.
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Again, I think the kids should have these rights to transfer and make their money. Who the hell am i to tell someone not to take the money someone is willing to pay them. I would have taken it too. But I can also say from fans perspective this isn't the same sport that we are watching anymore. Having kids go to your school and stay there 3-4 years was a huge part of what made cfb what it was. That and the regionality of college sports made it unique compared to pro sports. That impacts everyone and all fans "lose". Not just those losing success. The only fans that i see who are fully in favor of all this are those in the two conferences. The ratings will continue to grow but this is just going to create a larger gap in college sports, which I don't think is for the best.
 
RubinRock said:
Having kids go to your school and stay there 3-4 years was a huge part of what made cfb what it was.
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RubinRock said:
The only fans that i see who are fully in favor of all this are those in the two conferences.
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Both good points

I love the 12-team playoff and super conferences. I don't like the unlimited transfers and NIL free-for-all.

I feel confident CFB isn't fully settled. More changes will happen before we have a model that lasts awhile. What that looks like I have no idea.
 
RubinRock said:
There's always going to be people that don't want any change and its the end of the world if there is. But right now cfb is becoming more and more what the NFL is. This is just me personally, but I do think a lot of people agree with this, I don't want cfb to try and be the NFL. If I want to watch the NFL, I'll watch the NFL. The on field product in the NFL is much better than college. I like college for all the things that make it unique. Taking those things away, hurts the sport in my eyes.


I know why all this is happening and you won't really hear me defend the NCAA. I wish they would just die off. The only thing I will say in its defense, no matter what they did in the past, people would have bitched about them. But its a greedy organization that refused to adapt as the economy of cfb boomed.

Again, I think the kids should have these rights to transfer and make their money. Who the hell am i to tell someone not to take the money someone is willing to pay them. I would have taken it too. But I can also say from fans perspective this isn't the same sport that we are watching anymore. Having kids go to your school and stay there 3-4 years was a huge part of what made cfb what it was. That and the regionality of college sports made it unique compared to pro sports. That impacts everyone and all fans "lose". Not just those losing success. The only fans that i see who are fully in favor of all this are those in the two conferences. The ratings will continue to grow but this is just going to create a larger gap in college sports, which I don't think is for the best.
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All valid points, but for me what it all boils down to is that people don't like that team rosters can completely change from season to season. I get that. But the reason that rosters never changed in the past was because a coach could make whatever promises some 17 or 18 year old kid wanted to hear, put on a great show during recruiting trips with a party atmosphere and cute girls running around to get a kid to commit to going there and then once the ink is dry move on and make the same promises and put on the same show for the next kid and the next class. And what was the kid going to do about it? You couldn't transfer unless the coach leaves or you can show that literally you have been harassed or abused. Even then you could transfer once and the stigma of trying to transfer plus needing to sit out a year meant that a coach could get you to sign then end your sports career for any reason he wanted.

Now the kids have a way to correct mistakes if they change their mind, the coach pisses them off, or really anything they want. From a fans perspective it sucks. From a players perspective it gives them the power to control their own destiny back. From a coach perspective it REALLY sucks because they are now accountable for all of their words and all of their actions. I've heard first hand stories of coaches turning sour on a player and telling them tough shit, nothing you can do but quit.
 
fordman84 said:
…the teams who have had historical success and now see that cornered-market slipping away…
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Agree with all but this part. I wouldn’t put Okie Lite in this group. IMHO they’ve never“ cornered the market” on any sport but men’s golf for a time.
 
fordman84 said:
And paying players is all cyclical. Right now it is all brand new and everyone is in a money grab. I still think exposure and playing for a "prestigious" school is the goal of every kid, but for sure the second rate and below schools will have to pay more money if they want the top talent.

The alternative is to recruit the right type of kid, develop that kid, then give them the vision of how it can lead to bettering that kids life. Yes some of that will be money, but if you are a P4 school and can't afford to pay your players then that's on you and your school. Is Gundy going to take less money in his paycheck to help retain a kid? Hell no.
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I don’t think it is or has ever really been about the prestigious school for 99% of the kids. It is generally always about which school gives them the best chance to go to the pro’s. Which generally is the top schools but my theory I believe is proved out by the transfer portal.
 
Deep Creek said:
Agree with all but this part. I wouldn’t put Okie Lite in this group. IMHO they’ve never“ cornered the market” on any sport but men’s golf for a time.
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Well, they have had success in their own terms and Gundy knows that is slipping away. He doesn't seem the type of coach that is willing to work to keep his players happy, he comes across more as the "my way or the highway" type of coach that is going to end up driving away any kids with talent that may be in demand by another school. That's why he is complaining. it used to be simple to only not have to be a complete douche for a month or two a year then back to regularly scheduled dildoness.
 
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