CFP Rankings

My original comment was a reply to someone insinuating that the BCS rankings for THIS WEEK were somehow better than the committee. With that, you cannot use future games.

The BCS would have UGA in over Ole Miss right now after they just loss to them 28-10. Their resumes aren't nearly different enough to overlook that bad of a H2H beating with today's info. That is why I replied that I liked the committee's version better
Got it ... I guess the BCS formula weighs body of work over H2H. As I said, it would be embarrassing to have UGA in before OM today, but what about TX over UGA when UGA has the H2H and the better body of work by a long shot?
 
Got it ... I guess the BCS formula weighs body of work over H2H. As I said, it would be embarrassing to have UGA in before OM today, but what about TX over UGA when UGA has the H2H and the better body of work by a long shot?

At the end of the day that extra loss weighs heavy.

You would get zero argument from me saying Texas would have more than one loss playing @Georgia, @Bama @Ole Miss and neutral Clemson but they can only play the games in front of them. If Texas had 2 losses there is no chance they would be in front of UGA at this point.

I really think the SEC becomes clearer over the next few weeks. We like to have all these crazy debates when things are close like this and then more losses happen and it generally works out
 
Sec is a mess. Like I said Texas wins the next 4 games and they are a 2 seed. Lose 1 of the next 3 and they maybe out of the playoffs. Too many moving parts to get wound up on this shit right now
That is wild ... you guys could be from 2 to out. I'd love to see Auburn, OU, Vandy, and USCjr be spoilers over the next few weeks. god, if we beat UTjr and then lost to the Nerds to knock us out we'll never hear the end of it, LOL.
 
Penn state is getting a lot of shit for their ranking. Does Texas really have a better resume?
Deciding the best resume among Penn State, Texas, Indiana and Miami right now is like deciding which midget is the tallest. I think Miami is the only one with a win over a CFP ranked team. #19 Louisville. At least Texas and Indiana will probably have an opportunity to beat a ranked team. Penn State doesn't have another opportunity. They will end the year without a ranked win unless something wacky happens. Miami will only have an opportunity for a ranked win if they make it to the CCG.
 
Deciding the best resume among Penn State, Texas, Indiana and Miami right now is like deciding which midget is the tallest. I think Miami is the only one with a win over a CFP ranked team. #19 Louisville. At least Texas and Indiana will probably have an opportunity to beat a ranked team. Penn State doesn't have another opportunity. They will end the year without a ranked win unless something wacky happens. Miami will only have an opportunity for a ranked win if they make it to the CCG.
Dead on ... who the hell knows?

There are many flawed teams at the top and not many or any really elite programs this year. Bama is awesome if Good Milroe shows up; they lose to Vandy when Bad Milroe shows up. UGA is inconsistent as hell. OM beat UGA at home and lost to Ky at home. Utjr lost to Arky and then beat Bama. Texas lost the only decent game they played at home and has less-than-stellar quarterback play. IU hasn't played anyone, PSU lost the only decent game they played.

Crazy year, but a fun year for the CFP-12.
 
Dead on ... who the hell knows?

There are many flawed teams at the top and not many or any really elite programs this year. Bama is awesome if Good Milroe shows up; they lose to Vandy when Bad Milroe shows up. UGA is inconsistent as hell. OM beat UGA at home and lost to Ky at home. Utjr lost to Arky and then beat Bama. Texas lost the only decent game they played at home and has less-than-stellar quarterback play. IU hasn't played anyone, PSU lost the only decent game they played.

Crazy year, but a fun year for the CFP-12.

All the people who said the regular season would lose excitement with the 12 team playoff are nuts
 
Dead on ... who the hell knows?

There are many flawed teams at the top and not many or any really elite programs this year. Bama is awesome if Good Milroe shows up; they lose to Vandy when Bad Milroe shows up. UGA is inconsistent as hell. OM beat UGA at home and lost to Ky at home. Utjr lost to Arky and then beat Bama. Texas lost the only decent game they played at home and has less-than-stellar quarterback play. IU hasn't played anyone, PSU lost the only decent game they played.

Crazy year, but a fun year for the CFP-12.
I think this sets up for a real entertaining playoff.
 
I think this sets up for a real entertaining playoff.
It really does because who knows ... watch someone like Ole Miss, who would have been effectively been blocked by Bama or UGA or LSU win the damn thing. It will be wild.
 
It really does because who knows ... watch someone like Ole Miss, who would have been effectively been blocked by Bama or UGA or LSU win the damn thing. It will be wild.
Yep, get on a roll, get a break here and there, avoid injuries and wallah. Natty.
 
I'll feel better if we play well against UTjr. Here is what the Insiders are saying - not making excuses - everyone has injuries - just pointing this out to anyone who wants to understand why we aren't what we have been the last 3 years:

- Beck has lost confidence and regressed severely. Being touted as a Heisman favorite and no. 1 draft pick + NIL with cars and high profile Internet girlfriend did him no favors.

- Decimated by injuries at RB and OL, plus absolute regression at OL play when healthy, will also add to Beck's problems as he thinks he has to do too much. Just found out that Cash Jones, a PWO who is RB2/3 is now in a boot. We will have nothing but true freshman RBs against UTjr, unless ETN can play.

WTH was Kirby thinking by bringing in USC's DB coach? Yes, he can recruit; no, he can't situationally coach a lick. Replacing the guy who is now HC at Syracuse with this guy was a bad misstep that should be remedied quickly after the season.

- We miss Muschamp. Sure, he's there all week planning, but he's at the Vanderbilt games on the weekends. Schumann is a good DC, but Muschamp is the guy who could make the changes mid-game. May be the best D mind in the game, and we don't get him at the game.

We lead the country in dropped passes, and our pass catchers can't catch a cold. It doesn't help that Beck had Bowers and McConkey as security blankets, both top-30 in the NFL, having great years.

- DL decimated in the Clemson game, just getting back. They will be fine but it's taking a while.

All that said, all but a dozen teams would be glad to have our talent. Let's see if the coaches can do their job and get it turned around.

Beck is having one of the worst regressions I can remember. Only somewhat comparable one I can think of in somewhat recent times is Matt Barkley, Heisman hype and #1 pick hype after coming back for his senior year. He ended up losing 4 games and led the Pac 10 in interceptions before ultimately crashing to the 4th round in the draft.
 
Beck is having one of the worst regressions I can remember. Only somewhat comparable one I can think of in somewhat recent times is Matt Barkley, Heisman hype and #1 pick hype after coming back for his senior year. He ended up losing 4 games and led the Pac 10 in interceptions before ultimately crashing to the 4th round in the draft.
It's funny, he did the same in high school. He lead his team that had never even been to the finals to the Florida Championship in 7A, the highest level there is. Then he lost all the talent around him and had a bad senior year.

He has a lot of talent around him, but he lost Bowers and McConkey, two unreal route runners and guys who you could count on to catch the ball. And, we had a great OL, whereas we don't this year. And RBs ... we are down to true freshman now. So, he still has a lot of experience but they aren't playing well.
 
Deciding the best resume among Penn State, Texas, Indiana and Miami right now is like deciding which midget is the tallest. I think Miami is the only one with a win over a CFP ranked team. #19 Louisville. At least Texas and Indiana will probably have an opportunity to beat a ranked team. Penn State doesn't have another opportunity. They will end the year without a ranked win unless something wacky happens. Miami will only have an opportunity for a ranked win if they make it to the CCG.
I think it fair to say there isn’t a dominant team this year. It’s really about looking at ceilings and floors of teams. A couple weeks ago I said the NC might be decided like NHL playoffs, just substitute QB for goalie. I have no doubt that if Texas gets good Quinn, they are one of the best teams in the country. I can’t tell you when that guy will show up. Dawggy can say the exact same thing about Beck. This is one of the worst college QB classes I can remember. Lot of top teams are trotting out some really inconsistent QBs. That means they can lose to any top 20 team
 
I think it fair to say there isn’t a dominant team this year. It’s really about looking at ceilings and floors of teams. A couple weeks ago I said the NC might be decided like NHL playoffs, just substitute QB for goalie. I have no doubt that if Texas gets good Quinn, they are one of the best teams in the country. I can’t tell you when that guy will show up. Dawggy can say the exact same thing about Beck. This is one of the worst college QB classes I can remember. Lot of top teams are trotting out some really inconsistent QBs. That means they can lose to any top 20 team
Can't believe the timing of your post. Just this evening at dinner a friend and I were talking about how the QB play in the Big 12 has gone in the crapper. While QBs weren't always surrounded by great talent, the Big 12 QB play was always pretty damn good. Now, there isn't one QB in the conference I would consider pretty damn good. Bunch of mediocre or worse. Never thought about it being the same nationally, but your post got me to thinking it may well be.
 
Can't believe the timing of your post. Just this evening at dinner a friend and I were talking about how the QB play in the Big 12 has gone in the crapper. While QBs weren't always surrounded by great talent, the Big 12 QB play was always pretty damn good. Now, there isn't one QB in the conference I would consider pretty damn good. Bunch of mediocre or worse. Never thought about it being the same nationally, but your post got me to thinking it may well be.
Yeah, my son is only 17. He is more of an NFL fan. He has really kept up with college football this season. He made the comment last night about how weak this QB class is.
 
It's funny, he did the same in high school. He lead his team that had never even been to the finals to the Florida Championship in 7A, the highest level there is. Then he lost all the talent around him and had a bad senior year.

He has a lot of talent around him, but he lost Bowers and McConkey, two unreal route runners and guys who you could count on to catch the ball. And, we had a great OL, whereas we don't this year. And RBs ... we are down to true freshman now. So, he still has a lot of experience but they aren't playing well.
I chose to take a TE last in my NFL league because I thought Bowers would be available late...10 team league where almost nobody has taken a 2nd TE over the years. I got him with the 3rd pick in the last round and so all my later rounds got upgraded. Glad to have him on my team for a change...and 10 points ahead of Kelce in 2nd place for TE's is sweet.
 
A couple thoughts about the rankings.

The committee has to way three different parts of a resume.
1) Record
2) SOS - Quality Wins, Who did you lose to?
3) Game Control

People get tribal and argue that the most important attribute is the one that favors their team. The truth is, it looks like the committee has tried to blend all 3 of these together. Some people have said it's inconsistency but I think it's a genuine gray area. I'm not really worked up about it because I think pretty much every deserving team can still play themselves into the playoff in late November. If you don't get it done, don't blame the committee.
 
Definitely a gray area. And from what I understand, Game Control isn’t listed in their criteria. ((I’ll try to find it.). But they obviously use it when they want to because the committee chairs have referenced it many times over the years as a reason for placing teams where they did.
 
Definitely a gray area. And from what I understand, Game Control isn’t listed in their criteria. ((I’ll try to find it.). But they obviously use it when they want to because the committee chairs have referenced it many times over the years as a reason for placing teams where they did.

Game control feels similar to eye test.
 
A couple thoughts about the rankings.

The committee has to way three different parts of a resume.
1) Record
2) SOS - Quality Wins, Who did you lose to?
3) Game Control

People get tribal and argue that the most important attribute is the one that favors their team. The truth is, it looks like the committee has tried to blend all 3 of these together. Some people have said it's inconsistency but I think it's a genuine gray area. I'm not really worked up about it because I think pretty much every deserving team can still play themselves into the playoff in late November. If you don't get it done, don't blame the committee.
I think that's a pretty good summary. If you are the SMU or BYU coach, you are talking losses. If you are the SEC, you are talking body of work and SOS. The one thing you can't do is to simply objectively look at the record. You just can't. But I get the difficult situation the committee is in.
 
I think that's a pretty good summary. If you are the SMU or BYU coach, you are talking losses. If you are the SEC, you are talking body of work and SOS. The one thing you can't do is to simply objectively look at the record. You just can't. But I get the difficult situation the committee is in.
Yes, you can!

My Top 4:

01. Indiana: Eye Test and Ball Conrol. Kicked everybody's arse (not named Michigan) in the sandbox.
02. Oregon: Struggled with Idaho (FCS) and Boise State (G5) early at home, but Great win over Ohio State.
03. BYU: Good win on the road (@ SMU) and K-State (Provo), but Big Xii, meh.
04. Army: Go Army! Beat Navy! Just a terrible SOS, but Zer0 is their Her0!

/ sarcasm
 
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