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RP-29 said:
Nah, it suggests that "the best" forwards succeeded against all five guys on the ice.
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Of which Slavin is one of those 5 guys…


He’s also got more OzS than DzS… I can go all day with this…
 
RP-29 said:
...attributing another team stat to one player... ...cool.
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So all stats can be ignored and we can go only on the eye test, got it.


Congrats to the Avs on their eye test sweep of the Stars in round 1 I guess.
 
Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
Of which Slavin is one of those 5 guys…


He’s also got more OzS than DzS… I can go all day with this…
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Yeah, Slavin is one of those 5. But if 4 guys are in perfect position and one of them faults, all five guys get a minus. You know this.
 
Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
Utah new name and logo slaps btw


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Tusks up! Utah Mammoth to roam the rink as NHL team nickname

The long wait is over as Utah’s NHL team finally has a permanent name and will now roam the rink as the Utah Mammoth.
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White jerseys are dumb but those darks are chefs kiss
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No surprise. Signs were pointing to Mammoth for a while now. I agree those blacks are good, although they're a blue hue away from looking strikingly similar to the Jets jerseys. And I've never been a fan of using block letters like those whites at the NHL level - looks too "cheap beer league".
 
Fans made a much cooler design imo

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Compared to generic corporate mammoth

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RP-29 said:
Yeah, Slavin is one of those 5. But if 4 guys are in perfect position and one of them faults, all five guys get a minus. You know this.
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I think you just like Slavin because he’s a stick centric positional Dman, like Lidstrom was. Which is cool. He’s just missing the offensive output of Lidstrom… which would make him a Norris caliber player.
 
Brutus said:
Fans made a much cooler design imo

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Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
Nah, nhl logo is way cleaner. The other design screams ECHL. Bloomington Bison | Bloomington, IL Professional Hockey
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I kinda agree with both. The NHL's Mammoth version is very stylistically similar to Sabres and Predators logos; so in that way I like the fan logo a little better because it's more stylistically unique. But the NHL version is cleaner, looks more professional and is easier to translate for marketing & branding.
 
Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
Slavin wasn’t even Top 30 in +\- among Dmen… and Cole Caufield had 3x more hits than Slavin

Gustav Forsling isn’t even in Norris discussion and he’s 5x the defenseman Slavin is.
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Nick Lidstrom never had many hits. You can defend at an incredibly high level and be great in the defensive zone without lighting up the hits column.

edit: Haha I hadn't even read your post mentioning Lidstrom! And you're certainly right, without the offense he is not at Lidstrom's level (is anyone right now?). But I didn't really see that as the point being discussed (or more specifically, wasn't the point I was taking issue with).
 
Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
I think you just like Slavin because he’s a stick centric positional Dman, like Lidstrom was. Which is cool. He’s just missing the offensive output of Lidstrom… which would make him a Norris caliber player.
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You're right that Slavin reminds me of 7-time Norris winner Lidstrom in many ways. You're right that Slavin's offensive prowess is significantly less than Lidstrom's was and I fully acknowledge that's the key reason why Slavin doesn't get enough Norris love. I got on my soapbox to point out that Norris voters focus too heavily on offense - picking the D-men who rack up the most points over other elite D-men who consistently make strong impact on games over the entire ice surface.

I get annoyed every time I'm reminded that Erik Karlsson has three Norris trophies on his mantle despite being weak in his own zone.
 
Its the same with the Selke, it largely goes to “points” two way forwards. It’s an award that should go to a strong Corsi/Fenwick player, instead it goes to points and faceoff percentage largely. Looking at Barkov as an example.

“Defenseman” is just the vague term. Because is positionally sound play more important than blocked shots? Hits? Shot suppression? If you’re looking at measurable defensive stats, Radko Gudas is a Norris defenseman. Is it possession/play drive based? Because Makar rules it there. Being good with your stick and positionally sound isn’t gonna get it done.
 
Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
Its the same with the Selke, it largely goes to “points” two way forwards. It’s an award that should go to a strong Corsi/Fenwick player, instead it goes to points and faceoff percentage largely. Looking at Barkov as an example.
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I totally agree that the Selke is suffering from the same afflictions as the Norris.

Deep Dish Pizza Goat said:
“Defenseman” is just the vague term. Because is positionally sound play more important than blocked shots? Hits? Shot suppression? If you’re looking at measurable defensive stats, Radko Gudas is a Norris defenseman. Is it possession/play drive based? Because Makar rules it there. Being good with your stick and positionally sound isn’t gonna get it done.
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Norris should factor ALL of that. The point all along is that voters aren't doing that. Guys like Forsling and Slavin get grossly overlooked because the voters are focused too squarely on what happens when the puck is on their stick and are blind to what happens when it's not.
 
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Rantanen with another hat trick
 
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