Muschamp fired (South Carolina Gamecocks head coach search)

[Thiefery]

I'll simply point out that you took the first dig at UGA and UF. I was simply responding in kind. You seriously going to point out our one upset loss like that hurts my feelings or something? LOL.

Congrats on that Sugar Bowl win ... Tejas highlight for the last decade. That's sad, but hey, Your Baaack!

And, to the substance of the post, you admit I was right about USCjr. Great talk.

How did I take a dig in the first place? And please tell me all the highlights of a dawgs fan since 1980.. and I was being sarcastic with SCe road to competing in the SECeast.. Hell they beat UGA last year, and it's not like FL defense is scaring anyone either. I'm not sure what you are using to come up with the it can't happen, but it can happen.. even in shitty towns.

SCe just has to find the right coach like every program does.. then buying out Will with his contract shows that they are all in to me. Guess we'll have to see what happens

 

[duckboy33]

Why do people say this? What potential is there? South Carolina is a decent but not great recruiting grounds - in 2020, they were 20th out of 50 in blue chips with 5. Florida had 59, Georgia had 36. They have to compete against Clemson for those 5. They have no winning tradition, etc. See my post above regarding everything else. It's a dead-end destination.

It's almost like going to UGA to be a basketball coach, but worse. At least we have had some success in the long ago past.

The problem is you keep comparing South Carolina to Georgia and Florida. I'm comparing them to the rest of the SEC East. A lot more potential than programs like Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky and possibly Tennessee. All it takes is for one of the big guys at the top to hit a rough spot and you are in the ball game. That's what happened when Steve Spurrier was at South Carolina and they had some success

 

[Hu War Yu]

I just don't get why someone would say they have potential. AU has potential if you get rid of Gus ... and a natty in the past decade. Please keep Gus for years to come. UTjr even ... they at least have tradition even though they have sucked the better part of the past 2 decades ... they have potential. USCjr? Nah.

Mainly, the "has potential" line is true. SC, as a state, produces a ton of NFL talent, based on population. But as you've said, they have to share the local recruits with Clemson and a bunch of SEC schools. I've always said if there was only one big D-1 school in the state, and they could lock down all the talent, they'd be a powerhouse.

South Carolina always has money for facilities and to pay coaches.

 

[Thiefery]

The problem is you keep comparing South Carolina to Georgia and Florida. I'm comparing them to the rest of the SEC East. A lot more potential than programs like Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky and possibly Tennessee. All it takes is for one of the big guys at the top to hit a rough spot and you are in the ball game. That's what happened when Steve Spurrier was at South Carolina and they had some success

and it's not like Fl or GA have been Alabama in recent years either.. Let's say it is Freeze (btw this conference is becoming last decades Big12 fwiw), you don't think he can replicate recruiting and success he had at Ole Miss at SCe? Do people even remember what Ole Miss was prior to him coaching there?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The problem is you keep comparing South Carolina to Georgia and Florida. I'm comparing them to the rest of the SEC East. A lot more potential than programs like Vandy, Missouri, Kentucky and possibly Tennessee. All it takes is for one of the big guys at the top to hit a rough spot and you are in the ball game. That's what happened when Steve Spurrier was at South Carolina and they had some success

I hear you, but I am coming at from the expectations of USCjr fans. They aren't aspiring to be Vandy. When you pay $15 million to buy out a coach, you aren't thinking the next guy will get you to Kentucky football levels.

 

[Thiefery]

Mainly, the "has potential" line is true. SC, as a state, produces a ton of NFL talent, based on population. But as you've said, they have to share the local recruits with Clemson and a bunch of SEC schools. I've always said if there was only one big D-1 school in the state, and they could lock down all the talent, they'd be a powerhouse.

South Carolina always has money for facilities and to pay coaches.

If it is Freeze, he will have the new church resurrected to compete with Dabo.. SCe is all in.

 

[Thiefery]

I hear you, but I am coming at from the expectations of USCjr fans. They aren't aspiring to be Vandy. When you pay $15 million to buy out a coach, you aren't thinking the next guy will get you to Kentucky football levels.

so your gripe is at a fanbase who demands better?

 

[Wild Turkey]

I just don't get why someone would say they have potential. AU has potential if you get rid of Gus ... and a natty in the past decade. Please keep Gus for years to come. UTjr even ... they at least have tradition even though they have sucked the better part of the past 2 decades ... they have potential. USCjr? Nah.

I'm for moving on from Gus eventually (this not being the year due to COVID and buyout) and I was for letting Arkansas take him. That being said Gus was the offense mastermind for the 2010 national championship, he has won two SEC Championships, he played for another national championship in 2013 and is 3-4 verses Saban.

Kirby's record and achievements aren't that much better than Ritch's when you look at wins and losses plus he can't beat Bama. Are we really that much worse off than Georgia right now? Probably not and we are freaking light years ahead of Tennessee, until last year it had been a while since we last lost to Florida and that was at their house with a freshman QB.

This is Gus' last contract and then we will move in a different direction but we could do a lot worse and there are plenty of teams like Tenn, Texas, Michigan and FSU that are proving that.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Mainly, the "has potential" line is true. SC, as a state, produces a ton of NFL talent, based on population. But as you've said, they have to share the local recruits with Clemson and a bunch of SEC schools. I've always said if there was only one big D-1 school in the state, and they could lock down all the talent, they'd be a powerhouse.

South Carolina always has money for facilities and to pay coaches.

Just not true. Sorry.

All 50 states, ranked by their percentage of national blue-chip recruits

Georgia’s rise and California’s slip mean the Big Three is officially the Big Four.

www.bannersociety.com

If they locked down SC, which they don't (only Spurrier did), they have about 5 blue chips to choose from.

FL, GA, LA produce highest percentage of FBS football players

Many of the states in the Southeast produce FBS football players at a higher rate than the rest of the country. Six states with at least one SEC team rank in the Top 10 nationally.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

This is a little old, but still very telling.

They've had money and facilities forever and nothing to show for it. From a common sense perspective, what could actually suddenly happen that could allow USCjr to get good enough to compete with CU, AU, UA, UGA, UF, UTjr, UNC for top prospects? Before Muschamp was fired, they were 46th in recruiting, their top player was ranked 344. This happens every year for the most part. Last year they had 3 players in the top 100 and that's the best they had done in years.

 

[duckboy33]

I hear you, but I am coming at from the expectations of USCjr fans. They aren't aspiring to be Vandy. When you pay $15 million to buy out a coach, you aren't thinking the next guy will get you to Kentucky football levels.

I don't know anything about the expectations as I don't live in area of the country where you meet a lot of gamecock fans. I feel 7-8 wins on a regular basis is not unreasonable expectations. If they are expecting more, they are probably too obsessed with Clemson's success. Clemson hit a grandslam with their coaching hires, especially with Venables. It's going to be nearly impossible to replicate that, especially in a tougher conference.

I do think it's fair to say that Muschamp wasn't getting it done. If I were at South Carolina, Hugh Freeze would be at the top of my list. If his NCAA issues can't be resolved, then I'd lean towards Sarkisian.

 

[Thiefery]

I'm for moving on from Gus eventually (this not being the year due to COVID and buyout) and I was for letting Arkansas take him. That being said Gus was the offense mastermind for the 2010 national championship, he has won two SEC Championships, he played for another national championship in 2013 and is 3-4 verses Saban.

Kirby's record and achievements aren't that much better than Ritch's when you look at wins and losses plus he can't beat Bama. Are we really that much worse off than Georgia right now? Probably not and we are freaking light years ahead of Tennessee, until last year it had been a while since we last lost to Florida and that was at their house with a freshman QB.

This is Gus' last contract and then we will move in a different direction but we could do a lot worse and there are plenty of teams like Tenn, Texas, Michigan and FSU that are proving that.

LOL that's the thing.. you think there must be a better change that Auburn can make but is there really? And since 2013, Gus offense isn't as effective as it once was.. It's been figured out, despite him beating Bama 4 times. If you are on the market for a coach, it's a bad time.

 

[Thiefery]

I don't know anything about the expectations as I don't live in area of the country where you meet a lot of gamecock fans. I feel 7-8 wins on a regular basis is not unreasonable expectations. If they are expecting more, they are probably too obsessed with Clemson's success. Clemson hit a grandslam with their coaching hires, especially with Venables. It's going to be nearly impossible to replicate that, especially in a tougher conference.

I do think it's fair to say that Muschamp wasn't getting it done. If I were at South Carolina, Hugh Freeze would be at the top of my list. If his NCAA issues can't be resolved, then I'd lean towards Sarkisian.

LOL Sark is gonna go back to sipping whisky in no time at SCe lol

 

[RubinRock]

I don't know anything about the expectations as I don't live in area of the country where you meet a lot of gamecock fans.

Count your blessings

 

[duckboy33]

LOL Sark is gonna go back to sipping whisky in no time at SCe lol

South Carolina closes the liquor stores on Sunday, correct?

 

[RubinRock]

I don't know anything about the expectations as I don't live in area of the country where you meet a lot of gamecock fans. I feel 7-8 wins on a regular basis is not unreasonable expectations. If they are expecting more, they are probably too obsessed with Clemson's success. Clemson hit a grandslam with their coaching hires, especially with Venables. It's going to be nearly impossible to replicate that, especially in a tougher conference.

I do think it's fair to say that Muschamp wasn't getting it done. If I were at South Carolina, Hugh Freeze would be at the top of my list. If his NCAA issues can't be resolved, then I'd lean towards Sarkisian.

But on a more serious note, 7-8 wins around here for them is okay for a season or two. But after the Spurrier years, the fan base expects to compete for the division every few years. Multiple years of 7-8 wins and no real improvement or serious threat to win the division, and the fans will start to turn.

 

[Wild Turkey]

South Carolina closes the liquor stores on Sunday, correct?

They typically open at noon in most places on the South now. I remember then being closed on Sundays and the beer coolers in the grocery stores being zip tied.

 

[duckboy33]

But on a more serious note, 7-8 wins around here for them is okay for a season or two. But after the Spurrier years, the fan base expects to compete for the division every few years. Multiple years of 7-8 wins and no real improvement or serious threat to win the division, and the fans will start to turn.

I could see that if Florida and/or Georgia are down. If those programs are playing up to potential, it's going to be tough for South Carolina to finish higher in the standings than those two. Even Spurrier only won the East once. And that was in a year where Florida was 8-5 and Georgia was 6-7

 

[duckboy33]

They typically open at noon in most places on the South now. I remember then being closed on Sundays and the beer coolers in the grocery stores being zip tied.

I guess Sark will have to wait until noon to get sauced in South Carolina

 

[Hu War Yu]

Just not true. Sorry.

All 50 states, ranked by their percentage of national blue-chip recruits

Georgia’s rise and California’s slip mean the Big Three is officially the Big Four.

www.bannersociety.com

If they locked down SC, which they don't (only Spurrier did), they have about 5 blue chips to choose from.

That's not what I meant.

I was trying to say that the state produces a lot of NFL talent, per capita. Also dated, but at least it's from 2018:

LOOK: These states produce the most NFL players

Some of these states certainly shouldn't come as a surprise to SEC fans.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

 

[Thiefery]

I guess Sark will have to wait until noon to get sauced in South Carolina

he'll be knocked out asleep from all the liquor drinking the night before prior to noon.. nothing like a liquor run at 2pm to drown out the noise of a 10 pt loss the night before