Kirby Smart seriously needs to be fired

Thiefery said:
hell Burrows wasn't Burrows til Brady unlocked him.. but we'll see how the offense for UGA unfolds over the next year
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Exactly, and Fields wasn't Fields until he grew up a year. That's why it's ridiculous to say he should have played instead of Fromm in 2018. I have no question he would have been the starter by the end of 2019, had he not transferred (and I think Fields did what he thought was best for him, and I have no problem with that).

Be honest ... you had no idea that Fromm had that good a year in 2018, did you? Which is ok, other than beating us in the Sugar Bowl, I can't tell you much about your QB. The narrative of 2018 Fromm is wildly inaccurate for most people.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Fields isn't starting the year over Fromm in 2018, but Fromm was noticeably worse, and a QB change could have and should have been made. Get the highest rated recruit in program history and he transfers out without ever starting a game.

I didn't mind promoting from within to fill both vacant coordinator jobs. He did good with Lanning, and Coley had experience, which is probably why he picked him over Del McGee, and letting Jim Chaney walk after Tennessee made him the highest paid OC in the country at the time was the right move. But that's the thing with Kirby, he always takes the "safe" route, and that's why we haven't had a good offense since Chubb, Michel and Wims went pro.
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In 2018? He went 11-1 and was the no. 5 ranked QB. He stunk up the LSU game for sure. He was good enough to have us 4 minutes from an SECC that year. So, how would you have told your locker room of seniors that even though you have one of the top ranked QBs in the country, you are going to play a freshman that was not very impressive because he MIGHT be able to get us a natty in a few years. We were are going to go 11-1, get to the SECG and almost win, but let's concede this year and start a guy who didn't win the job. That's not how college football works. Nor should it.
 
Thiefery said:
That's the thing..he's brought in highly ranked QBs in.. just hasn't used/developed them
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-2016 - Eason - 5*, started his entire freshman year and looked good, not great. Lot's of potential. Injured 1st series of downs, game 1 in 2nd year. Never got the job back from Fromm.
- 2017 - Fromm - 5*, took over as true freshman when Eason get's injured. Goes 11-1, with first start on the road against Notre Dame. Protected with great RBs and OL. 11th rated QB at end of year, left NCG with lead in OT.
- 2018 - Fields comes in, but Fromm goes 11-1, no 5 ranked QB, ahead in the SECCG until 5 minutes to go in 4th quarter. Fields can't win the job, transfers to tOSU. Not willing to wait, I can't fault him for doing what he thought was best for him.
- 2019 - UGA flips Mathis from tOSU on NSD - 4*, has brain surgery in the summer and basically misses the year. Fromm digresses under new OC Coley, a bad hire by Smart. Fromm devolves, is outside the top 50 QBs by rating. Decides to leave early for NFL and drops to 5th round.
- 2020 - bring in Beck - 4*, and the top 2 transfers Newman and former 5* JT Daniels. After taking all the 1st team reps up until 3 weeks before the season begins, Newman surprises everyone an drops out due to "covid." JT Daniels coming off ACL surgery 12 months earlier, with an additional surgery in December 2019, isn't medically cleared and per OC Monken isn't game ready until 10 days ago. Start Mathis and he stinks it up against Arky. Former 2* walk-in, 3* JUCO QB Stetson Bennett plays well against Arky with comeback win, then beats rivals Auburn and UTjr, leads at half at Bama, but throws 2 picks in 2nd half loss, and it's down hill from there. Beats Ky, but it's ugly, gets hurt on 2nd series against UF and we have to play Mathis who stinks it up. The week after JTD's knee is good enough to play.
- 2021 - flip 5*, 13 ranked no. 2 dual threat QB Brock Vandagriff from OU. Have to hope Daniels is good and stays, or Mathis or Beck get better, or BVG is really, really good for a freshman.

So, that's it right there. To me, 2 things Smart might have done differently:
- He might use Fields differently. Maybe let him play more wide open in blow outs. But, now way any coach starts freshman Fields over Fromm in 2018.
- Not hire Coley as OC in 2019. Fromm and the O digressed greatly. That lead Fromm to leave early. Fromm under Monken might have been something else.

I don't expect non-UGA fans to follow our QB as closely as I do. I can't say I know this about anyone else's QBs. I know generalities like you do our QB. But there is a narrative, like the one in the OP, that just doesn't fit up to the facts when you dive deeper.
 
Isn’t Georgia’s QB problem because some baseball fans said racial slurs or something at Fields? Isn’t that why he was granted to transfer instead of starting this season. Eason has Elway arm talent but doesn’t have Elway’s mind. And Fromm was just a SEC version of Kellen Moore. You could count on him to win games you should win and have a couple of heroic efforts in those game. But also can expect him to win you games in which you lose. Fromm is a clone of that lefty you had that the Seahawks drafted and busted because he couldn’t learn the concepts that had the entire offense go through him.
 
wazzu31 said:
Isn’t Georgia’s QB problem because some baseball fans said racial slurs or something at Fields? Isn’t that why he was granted to transfer instead of starting this season. Eason has Elway arm talent but doesn’t have Elway’s mind. And Fromm was just a SEC version of Kellen Moore. You could count on him to win games you should win and have a couple of heroic efforts in those game. But also can expect him to win you games in which you lose. Fromm is a clone of that lefty you had that the Seahawks drafted and busted because he couldn’t learn the concepts that had the entire offense go through him.
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No, he didn't transfer because of that, but that is the excuse they used to get immediate eligibility.

David Greene is the QB you are thinking about. Not a bad comparison. Both won an SEC Championship.

Fromm lost to Auburn (but then beat them in the SECCG), Bama, LSU twice, Texas, and USCjr. He was 37-6 with 3 losses in the regular season (AU, LSU, USCjr) and 3 in the SECCG or NCG or Sugar Bowl (Bama, LSU, Texas). He was 12-1 against our main rivals (AU, UF, UTjr, the Nerds), and 17-1 against the SECE.

His first start was on the road as a true freshman at Notre Dame, and he won. No pressure there. He won the Rose Bowl in a shootout. He left the NC game in OT with a lead, and the D allowed Bama to score on 3rd and forever. I mean he lead UGA against Bama twice in the SECCG and NCG where we were ahead for all but about 30 seconds and lost twice, so I don't think he was as bad as you are saying. He did have a tough junior year by his standards, thanks to our OC. The only games he lost where we were favored was the Sugar Bowl and the USCjr game. We were underdogs in the other 4.

I think you are off as to why Greene and likely Fromm won't make it in the NFL. They are both very cerebral QBs, I just don't think they have NFL elite physical talent.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
In 2018? He went 11-1 and was the no. 5 ranked QB. He stunk up the LSU game for sure. He was good enough to have us 4 minutes from an SECC that year. So, how would you have told your locker room of seniors that even though you have one of the top ranked QBs in the country, you are going to play a freshman that was not very impressive because he MIGHT be able to get us a natty in a few years. We were are going to go 11-1, get to the SECG and almost win, but let's concede this year and start a guy who didn't win the job. That's not how college football works. Nor should it.
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Fromm was so bad in the Tennessee game, he got benched for a series. Should have been permanent for Mr “I decide who I’m throwing to before the snap and never go through my progressions and never expect me to make anything happen with my legs”

Fromm won the job because Kirby is too stubborn to break away from the safe route that will never result in a natty. He drove away the highest rated recruit in program history because he was too stubborn to make a needed change
 
wazzu31 said:
Isn’t Georgia’s QB problem because some baseball fans said racial slurs or something at Fields? Isn’t that why he was granted to transfer instead of starting this season. Eason has Elway arm talent but doesn’t have Elway’s mind. And Fromm was just a SEC version of Kellen Moore. You could count on him to win games you should win and have a couple of heroic efforts in those game. But also can expect him to win you games in which you lose. Fromm is a clone of that lefty you had that the Seahawks drafted and busted because he couldn’t learn the concepts that had the entire offense go through him.
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It’s really not hard to check facts before saying something. Baseball player, not baseball fan. One of the best players in the baseball team in fact. He got booted, and his bat was missed
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
He is turned loose. Monken has total control over the O ... he is making the QB decisions, it's his O. What he doesn't have is a QB taller than 5'8" who can hit WRs that are wide open all over the field. I get you guys don't follow UGA football like I do, I respect that. But Monken has called great games, and has schemed WRs open all year. We can't get the ball to them. If you watch the highlights of the UF game, you will see 2 TD passes where we had guys wide open and were overthrown by 5 yards. We'll get to see JT Daniels can be that guy this weekend. I'll be there, my first game of the year.
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If you say Kirbster has turned it over to Monken 100%, then good by me. :beer2:

And JT will look like a million bucks. You guys have Miss State, South Cackalaky and Vandy remaining. Not exactly the cream of the SEC. (Unless the Mizzou game is going to be made up.) If he doesn't look good................
 
Here are my thoughts on Kirby and Georgia

- Kirby is recruiting at a truly elite level. Nobody has recruited better than UGA.
- On field results have been really good. They've fallen short of a title but they've remained in contention almost every year.
- 2020 has been a little bit of a disappointment but that's largely because the QB position has been a disaster for them. UGA took a huge hit when Newman chose to opt out. They put a lot of eggs in his basket for 2020.
- I'm a little surprised they didn't go to JT Daniels earlier in 2020. I thought that was their only chance vs. teams like Alabama or Florida but I'm not watching him at practice every day. I assume he just wasn't ready to go. I doubt Kirby was just starting Bennett because he felt "more comfortable" with him.

If I were an UGA fan, I'd be a bit disappointed about 2020 but not even thinking about firing Kirby. If JT Daniels turns out to be the guy at QB, 2021 could be a great year for Georgia. I don't follow the program every day like UGA fans so maybe I'm missing something.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Remember in 2006 when UGA lost 4 out of 5 games, including to both Vandy and Kentucky? Had UGA fired Richt then, Saban would have picked UGA over Bama, at the time UGA was in better shape than Bama and Athens is only about an hour and a half from Saban's Rabun County home, but then UGA went on to close the season with 3 upset wins over ranked teams(including blowing Auburn out on the road in a game that really turned the tides on that rivalry) and Richt stayed another 9 years.
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Saban isn't touching that job in 2006, if you fire Richt one year removed from an SEC championship.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Fromm was so bad in the Tennessee game, he got benched for a series. Should have been permanent for Mr “I decide who I’m throwing to before the snap and never go through my progressions and never expect me to make anything happen with my legs”

Fromm won the job because Kirby is too stubborn to break away from the safe route that will never result in a natty. He drove away the highest rated recruit in program history because he was too stubborn to make a needed change
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LOL ... he was the no. 5 ranked QB in 2018. You are just making shit up at this point. You pick one game where we won 38-12 as your example of when he should have been benched? We won, 38-12. We were 5-0 after that game. Ended up going 11-1.

Curious, what did you ever see in Fields in 2018 that made you think he would have gone 11-1? Or, are you one of those fans who will sacrifice a season because you think we might do better in the future? More likely you are a results oriented thinker looking back as if 2018 Fields was 2019 Fields.

The highest ranked recruit at UGA chose to transfer instead of compete. He would have won the starting job the next year, but he was gone by then.
 
Deep Creek said:
If you say Kirbster has turned it over to Monken 100%, then good by me. :beer2:

And JT will look like a million bucks. You guys have Miss State, South Cackalaky and Vandy remaining. Not exactly the cream of the SEC. (Unless the Mizzou game is going to be made up.) If he doesn't look good................
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If he doesn't look good, then Beck better get really good between now and Clemson next year, or Vandergriff better be Sunshine good. We start next season with Clemson. Gonna be ugly if we don't have a QB1 by then.

Everything I've heard from some people who would know is that Monken only agreed to come to UGA if he had control. Don't get me wrong ... any game day scheme is a team effort. The coaches meet during the week and decide the game plan. And obviously Smart has input there. But, this is Monken O. I love what I've seen so far, except the QB issues which is a talent issue.
 
Hitman Hart said:
Saban isn't touching that job in 2006, if you fire Richt one year removed from an SEC championship.
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But he wants to fire Smart now, so I am guessing he would have been fine with that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
LOL ... he was the no. 5 ranked QB in 2018. You are just making shit up at this point. You pick one game where we won 38-12 as your example of when he should have been benched? We won, 38-12. We were 5-0 after that game. Ended up going 11-1.

Curious, what did you ever see in Fields in 2018 that made you think he would have gone 11-1? Or, are you one of those fans who will sacrifice a season because you think we might do better in the future? More likely you are a results oriented thinker looking back as if 2018 Fields was 2019 Fields.

The highest ranked recruit at UGA chose to transfer instead of compete. He would have won the starting job the next year, but he was gone by then.
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It was hollow results. That Tennessee game was pretty close until the end, and it was a drive by Fields that got the team going. I would have left Fields as the starter from then on, Fields stays with the team that way, and if he stumbles in 2018, so what? He would have had several games of experience under his belt for 2019, but instead we got to see Kirby's annual bed shitting on the road against an SEC West team, and the annual second half bed shitting against Bama and then an embarrassing loss in the Sugar Bowl to a coach that is a dead man walking. Kirby stuck with the safe, status quo, and the results were status quo. Then Fields left and now we have a completely wasted season for 2020 because of it.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
You can fire yours first, but Kirby needs to go, and the replacement needs to have never coached under Nick Saban. Hire that Texas HS coach that runs up like 90-0 scores. I wanna win and I wanna be disrespectful when winning.
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A Georgia alum with P5 head coaching experience just recently became available.
 
Holdsclaw Driver said:
A Georgia alum with P5 head coaching experience just recently became available.
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I don't want a UGA alum, and I don't care about experience. Hell, looks like Sam Pittman is a better HC than Kirby and he was right here from 2016-2019
 
This thread might see a lot of action if UGA doesn't pull this out.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Auburn has never shrunk in the second half against Bama 3 times in 4 years. That fucking shit this year killed all of my enthusiasm for the rest of the season to the point where I had no real reaction to losing to Florida.
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You need to go full LSU. They basically told Coach O you better get a real OC or your ass is out of here. He won a NC, than went back to being Coach O
 
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