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stakesarehigh said:
How about runner up finishes in the last two years lol
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Final table beat

I'm second to act with aces. First to act bets 800 chips (double ante), I double him up. Third to act calls...first to act shoves in as do I. Third to act matches.


Third to act has a fucking five/six suited. I turn over aces. First to act has jacks.

Fucking flop is 2,2,3, then an 8,. then a flipping four. Incredible.

Matches two shoves with a five,six
 
stakesarehigh said:
Final table beat

I'm second to act with aces. First to act bets 800 chips (double ante), I double him up. Third to act calls...first to act shoves in as do I. Third to act matches.


Third to act has a fucking five/six suited. I turn over aces. First to act has jacks.

Fucking flop is 2,2,3, then an 8,. then a flipping four. Incredible.

Matches two shoves with a five,six
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No shit! You played cards with my brother in law????
 
stakesarehigh said:
Final table beat

I'm second to act with aces. First to act bets 800 chips (double ante), I double him up. Third to act calls...first to act shoves in as do I. Third to act matches.


Third to act has a fucking five/six suited. I turn over aces. First to act has jacks.

Fucking flop is 2,2,3, then an 8,. then a flipping four. Incredible.

Matches two shoves with a five,six
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What were the stack sizes at that point? Were there any blinds or is this just a single ante pot type deal? I mean you got your money in good, which is all you can ask for, but yeah that sucks. How many players were at the final table at the time?

(Disclaimer: based on a full 9 handed table or anything above 6 players) Being in early position, especially in a tournament style, I hate your raise sizing there. UTG raises are always really strong, meaning that even if you raise slightly larger, you're likely to get action. I'm not sure what the stack sizes were from everyone at the table, but based on limited information, I'm raising slightly larger because I have so many people left before me to act. If you were say on the button or the cutoff, a min raise makes more sense. But because you'll have upwards of 7 people to act behind you, you don't want multiple players getting in on the flop on the off chance UTG flat's your raise too. You don't want to play multi-way pots with Aces, especially in tournament situations where if you bust you're out. Cash games its different because you're trying to maximize dollar value, but tournament play, you need isolation more than you need more players in the pot.

So effectively what you did was invite the 56s to call pre-flop, which depending on stack sizes, may not be a bad call after your raise. If UTG just calls your raise, he gets in relatively cheap with a big hand buster against two likely strong opponents or he can get off the flop for cheap. The curious part is his call after UTG shoves and you call, but mostly that's a bad call. If he's relatively deep though or a massive chip leader, it makes sense for him to call there too.
 
citysushi said:
What were the stack sizes at that point? Were there any blinds or is this just a single ante pot type deal? I mean you got your money in good, which is all you can ask for, but yeah that sucks. How many players were at the final table at the time?

(Disclaimer: based on a full 9 handed table or anything above 6 players) Being in early position, especially in a tournament style, I hate your raise sizing there. UTG raises are always really strong, meaning that even if you raise slightly larger, you're likely to get action. I'm not sure what the stack sizes were from everyone at the table, but based on limited information, I'm raising slightly larger because I have so many people left before me to act. If you were say on the button or the cutoff, a min raise makes more sense. But because you'll have upwards of 7 people to act behind you, you don't want multiple players getting in on the flop on the off chance UTG flat's your raise too. You don't want to play multi-way pots with Aces, especially in tournament situations where if you bust you're out. Cash games its different because you're trying to maximize dollar value, but tournament play, you need isolation more than you need more players in the pot.

So effectively what you did was invite the 56s to call pre-flop, which depending on stack sizes, may not be a bad call after your raise. If UTG just calls your raise, he gets in relatively cheap with a big hand buster against two likely strong opponents or he can get off the flop for cheap. The curious part is his call after UTG shoves and you call, but mostly that's a bad call. If he's relatively deep though or a massive chip leader, it makes sense for him to call there too.
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Really a min raise there is ante plus so a another 800 is not a lot in a big tourney like that where chips start at 3k each. I wasn't first to act I doubled first to act and he called me and then instead of calling first to act went all in of which I called.

So 5 6 suited called two huge stacks knowing his likely odds (if he maths at all) are less than 10 percent. He was the second lowest of us I was lowest but we were all close. Wasn't like if he lost he was anything but toast after that.
 
That probably didn't make sense.

Bets in order

FTA was like double ante, I doubled him, Mr five six called, FTA went all in, I matched, fuckstick 5 6 calls TWO all ins with big stacks at the final table

Just the math on that is terrible for him. He has to assume we both have solid hands. He has to catch a flush or a straight or a two pair and hope NEITHER hand catches anything to deal with that.


It's easily a less than 10 percent situation for him.
 
stakesarehigh said:
Really a min raise there is ante plus so a another 800 is not a lot in a big tourney like that where chips start at 3k each. I wasn't first to act I doubled first to act and he called me and then instead of calling first to act went all in of which I called.

So 5 6 suited called two huge stacks knowing his likely odds (if he maths at all) are less than 10 percent. He was the second lowest of us I was lowest but we were all close. Wasn't like if he lost he was anything but toast after that.
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Yeah, exactly, that's why I was asking what the chip stacks were.

Yeah I understood your position and understood. UTG (under the gun, first to act) raised first. You min raised him, etc.

It's actually closer to 22-25% for him in that situation if the hands were flipped up. But either way, it's still a bad mathematical call, but not by an outrageous amount. Could be as high as almost 30% if one you has a hand like AK instead of higher pocket pair.

At that point, once the short stack called your preflop bet, what was his remaining stack. It may make sense for him to call in that spot given the size of the pot now and his chances to triple up. It's not ideal, but when you're a short stack in a tournament you're looking at spot to profit the most at.

As bad as his all-in call was, there's merit to it in certain spots. Because you allowed him in preflop with a minimal raise, depending on the remaining pot size versus the remainder of 56s chip stack, it may be a risk he's got to take at that point.
 
citysushi said:
Yeah, exactly, that's why I was asking what the chip stacks were.

Yeah I understood your position and understood. UTG (under the gun, first to act) raised first. You min raised him, etc.

It's actually closer to 22-25% for him in that situation if the hands were flipped up. But either way, it's still a bad mathematical call, but not by an outrageous amount. Could be as high as almost 30% if one you has a hand like AK instead of higher pocket pair.

At that point, once the short stack called your preflop bet, what was his remaining stack. It may make sense for him to call in that spot given the size of the pot now and his chances to triple up. It's not ideal, but when you're a short stack in a tournament you're looking at spot to profit the most at.

As bad as his all-in call was, there's merit to it in certain spots. Because you allowed him in preflop with a minimal raise, depending on the remaining pot size versus the remainder of 56s chip stack, it may be a risk he's got to take at that point.
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It would be 25 H2H but because of how he called it he'd have to beat two hands.

If it was a faceoff I'd probably just take it as a normal loss

I'm really not a math guy but I know estimates
 
I prefer Omaha
 
Nosferatu said:
I prefer Omaha
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I self admittedly suck at Omaha. Omaha 8/b I can play maybe average at. I have edges playing against any non professional at Holdem, 7 card stud or 7 card 8/b.

at my local card club I went to play 7 card 8/b one time. I was the youngest at the table by almost 30 years lol.
 
citysushi said:
I self admittedly suck at Omaha. Omaha 8/b I can play maybe average at. I have edges playing against any non professional at Holdem, 7 card stud or 7 card 8/b.

at my local card club I went to play 7 card 8/b one time. I was the youngest at the table by almost 30 years lol.
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Omaha definitely requires more thought
 
citysushi said:
Yeah, it's just never really clicked with me. Before online poker was banned I played probably everyday for years online. Just always really loved playing cards.
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I know several states have legalized it hopefully we are heading in that direction federally
 
citysushi said:
Yeah, it's just never really clicked with me. Before online poker was banned I played probably everyday for years online. Just always really loved playing cards.
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By no means would I say I'm good at it but obviously bigger hands needed to take down pots in general.
 
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