James Harden and the latest

DJRox said:
bleacherreport.com

Report: Celtics, Raptors Favored for James Harden Trade; Brown, Siakam Linked

The Toronto Raptors and Boston Celtics might be entering the James Harden sweepstakes. According to John Granato of ESPN 97...
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I think this would be a mistake for both teams. If the Rockets insist on meeting his demand to be traded to a contending type team. Then the Sixers still make the most sense. Simmons and Embiid don't work and Simmons could use a change of scenery, imo.

At least with Embiid's skillset, there's a chance those 2 could fit together fairly well.
 
trojanfan12 said:
I think this would be a mistake for both teams. If the Rockets insist on meeting his demand to be traded to a contending type team. Then the Sixers still make the most sense. Simmons and Embiid don't work and Simmons could use a change of scenery, imo.

At least with Embiid's skillset, there's a chance those 2 could fit together fairly well.
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I agree, still think Philly is the best fit and destination.

Toronto doesn't make much sense, they would be playing a small lineup, possibly with OG (if he isn't in the deal) at PF. Just doesn't make much sense.

For Boston it makes a little more sense but still not a great fit. I think it could stunt Tatum's growth and they have a PG. I'm not sure Kemba is best suited playing off ball more often than not. They have the players to make it work with their size but fit would be an issue. All that being said, if they somehow could make it work it would vault them over the Nets and Bucks as clear favorite imo. But I would say the C's should pass on this as well.
 
Shanemansj13 said:
I agree, still think Philly is the best fit and destination.

Toronto doesn't make much sense, they would be playing a small lineup, possibly with OG (if he isn't in the deal) at PF. Just doesn't make much sense.

For Boston it makes a little more sense but still not a great fit. I think it could stunt Tatum's growth and they have a PG. I'm not sure Kemba is best suited playing off ball more often than not. They have the players to make it work with their size but fit would be an issue. All that being said, if they somehow could make it work it would vault them over the Nets and Bucks as clear favorite imo. But I would say the C's should pass on this as well.
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Walker is not long for Boston.
 
trojanfan12 said:
I think this would be a mistake for both teams. If the Rockets insist on meeting his demand to be traded to a contending type team. Then the Sixers still make the most sense. Simmons and Embiid don't work and Simmons could use a change of scenery, imo.

At least with Embiid's skillset, there's a chance those 2 could fit together fairly well.
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I agree. 76ers are the best fit for him
 
Shanemansj13 said:
I agree, still think Philly is the best fit and destination.

Toronto doesn't make much sense, they would be playing a small lineup, possibly with OG (if he isn't in the deal) at PF. Just doesn't make much sense.

For Boston it makes a little more sense but still not a great fit. I think it could stunt Tatum's growth and they have a PG. I'm not sure Kemba is best suited playing off ball more often than not. They have the players to make it work with their size but fit would be an issue. All that being said, if they somehow could make it work it would vault them over the Nets and Bucks as clear favorite imo. But I would say the C's should pass on this as well.
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Philly isn't trading Simmons for him (at this point).

If it was offered, Harden would already be a sixer.
 
Boston would be fools to bring Harden into their locker room
 
Bender said:
Philly isn't trading Simmons for him (at this point).

If it was offered, Harden would already be a sixer.
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sixerswire.usatoday.com

Windhorst: Sixers star Ben Simmons is available in any trade scenario

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst reports that Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons is, in fact, available for any trades.
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If are thinking about this the opposite way. It has very little to do with what Philly and more to do with what Houston wants. Simmons has not grown much as a player since his 1st season. Harden is a clear upgrade. Houston is the one holding this up bc they are going to see the best offer that is out there at this point. If nobody bites they will take Simmons and whatever else they can get from Philly.
 
Shanemansj13 said:
sixerswire.usatoday.com

Windhorst: Sixers star Ben Simmons is available in any trade scenario

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst reports that Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons is, in fact, available for any trades.
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If are thinking about this the opposite way. It has very little to do with what Philly and more to do with what Houston wants. Simmons has not grown much as a player since his 1st season. Harden is a clear upgrade. Houston is the one holding this up bc they are going to see the best offer that is out there at this point. If nobody bites they will take Simmons and whatever else they can get from Philly.
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Rockets don't have any deals close to sixers. Only thing that makes sense is they "leaked" that to try and get some offers. They have no leverage in the Harden situation and I disagree with your assessment that Simmons has not grown much. His reluctance to shoot 3's is his biggest weakness, but he's pretty damn nice everywhere else.
 
Bender said:
Rockets don't have any deals close to sixers. Only thing that makes sense is they "leaked" that to try and get some offers. They have no leverage in the Harden situation and I disagree with your assessment that Simmons has not grown much. His reluctance to shoot 3's is his biggest weakness, but he's pretty damn nice everywhere else.
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Houston has leverage because they don't have to trade Harden and since, to my knowledge, he doesn't have a no trade clause, they can trade him to whomever they choose whether that team is on his list of acceptable teams or not.

The Rockets also have leverage because he still has 2 years left on his deal. So they don't really have to trade him at all.

Right now, the Rockets are playing a bit of a long game and waiting to see if a borderline playoff team or borderline contender gets desperate enough to give them the return they're looking for, or at least get close.

Harden's playing it pretty stupidly, imo, because what he's doing isn't going to encourage teams to increase their offers, which means he's stuck in Houston. The Rockets have made it pretty clear that they are looking for a deal similar to what the Pelicans got for AD.

As for Simmons, other than the expected improvement that comes with experience, he is still essentially the same player he was as a rookie. His unwillingness to shoot the 3 is a big detriment because teams don't have to respect his shot, which means they can play off of him on defense and make the rest of his game more difficult.
 
Trade Dinwiddie and LeVert plus a contract for him.....KD and Irving getting the shots.....Dinwiddie and LeVert have great upside.....

Let the shitshow of KD, Irving and JH ensue.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Houston has leverage because they don't have to trade Harden and since, to my knowledge, he doesn't have a no trade clause, they can trade him to whomever they choose whether that team is on his list of acceptable teams or not.

The Rockets also have leverage because he still has 2 years left on his deal. So they don't really have to trade him at all.

Right now, the Rockets are playing a bit of a long game and waiting to see if a borderline playoff team or borderline contender gets desperate enough to give them the return they're looking for, or at least get close.

Harden's playing it pretty stupidly, imo, because what he's doing isn't going to encourage teams to increase their offers, which means he's stuck in Houston. The Rockets have made it pretty clear that they are looking for a deal similar to what the Pelicans got for AD.

As for Simmons, other than the expected improvement that comes with experience, he is still essentially the same player he was as a rookie. His unwillingness to shoot the 3 is a big detriment because teams don't have to respect his shot, which means they can play off of him on defense and make the rest of his game more difficult.
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JH is a moron IMO....Be a professional and make teams want to trade for you.
 
Bender said:
Rockets don't have any deals close to sixers. Only thing that makes sense is they "leaked" that to try and get some offers. They have no leverage in the Harden situation and I disagree with your assessment that Simmons has not grown much. His reluctance to shoot 3's is his biggest weakness, but he's pretty damn nice everywhere else.
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But, Philly NEEDS him to shoot the ball.
 
ojb81 said:
Boston would be fools to bring Harden into their locker room
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They have underachieved.....it makes sense in the fact they need to do something to try and capitalize now and make it to the Finals. Harden and Tatum could make them a serious contender.
 
The Celtics need to get bigger and Harden does nothing to help in that area. Plus, he's an epic dickhead and would likely take the Celts back to dooshy days of Kyrie. He and Marcus Smart would be at each other's throats within a month.
 
Rex Racer said:
Orlando's GM can't be dumb enough to trade 2 solid players for a guy that can't get on the court because of his knee problems. I hope he is, but.....................
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Those stem cell injections could help significantly.
 
DJ said:
They have underachieved.....it makes sense in the fact they need to do something to try and capitalize now and make it to the Finals. Harden and Tatum could make them a serious contender.
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harden will never help push any team over the top. it should be obvious at this point. he is a ballhogging cancer.
 
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