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Definitely Oklahoma. They going to win a playoff game this year!
how are they going to the CFP when they have two losses to UT?!?!?
Are you expecting the likes of Iowa St, Kansas St, WVU, Texas Tech, and Kansas to challenge Alabama for the 4 and 5 star haul they get?
Bama? of course not.. But you can't tell me that KSU/Tech/Baylor/TCU shouldn't atleast be in the top 40 with the likes of UT, ou, osu and even WV.

For all the ass kissing Matt Campbell gets, he gets a pass for his shit recruiting.. Maybe if he improved on it, he would have won a CC by now?
 
how are they going to the CFP when they have two losses to UT?!?!?

Bama? of course not.. But you can't tell me that KSU/Tech/Baylor/TCU shouldn't atleast be in the top 40 with the likes of UT, ou, osu and even WV.

For all the ass kissing Matt Campbell gets, he gets a pass for his shit recruiting.. Maybe if he improved on it, he would have won a CC by now?
But your chart didn’t give national rankings it just gave conference rankings and how many 4 and 5 stars everyone signed this past year.

Thats what makes Matt Campbell an actual great COACH. He doesn’t rely on living off the talent he recruits. He coaches it up. KSU has done that FOREVER and TCU to a small degree has too. Although Patterson does get some talent too.

An lol at thinking they’ll lose to Texas once let alone twice.
 
But your chart didn’t give national rankings it just gave conference rankings and how many 4 and 5 stars everyone signed this past year.

Thats what makes Matt Campbell an actual great COACH. He doesn’t rely on living off the talent he recruits. He coaches it up. KSU has done that FOREVER and TCU to a small degree has too. Although Patterson does get some talent too.
if the schools I mentioned finished in the top 40, it would look much better than the all the zero's for 4 star players.. KSU hasn't done that since the Purple Wizard was on the sidelines, Gary P hasn't had a good season since.. 2016? Maybe Campbell is just taking advantage of a bad conference
 
We are about to find out if the MC way of doing things at ISU actually pays off.. they return virtually everyone.. he now has expectations to live up to.
 
if the schools I mentioned finished in the top 40, it would look much better than the all the zero's for 4 star players.. KSU hasn't done that since the Purple Wizard was on the sidelines, Gary P hasn't had a good season since.. 2016? Maybe Campbell is just taking advantage of a bad conference
Not always, WVU has more 4’s then junior but is behind in the rankings.

Even when the wizard was there, the weren’t or barely getting top 40 classes. Gary P still gets some talent and usually has a good defense. Campbell certainly is winning games he should with kids he shouldn’t. That means he is a good coach.
 
We are about to find out if the MC way of doing things at ISU actually pays off.. they return virtually everyone.. he now has expectations to live up to.
It certainly will be telling With the expectations. But it is only one season. Won’t judge him just on that.
 
how are they going to the CFP when they have two losses to UT?!?!?

Bama? of course not.. But you can't tell me that KSU/Tech/Baylor/TCU shouldn't atleast be in the top 40 with the likes of UT, ou, osu and even WV.

For all the ass kissing Matt Campbell gets, he gets a pass for his shit recruiting.. Maybe if he improved on it, he would have won a CC by now?
Anyone that can get Tech into the top 40 is a recruiting genius. The only place that may be harder to recruit to than Lubbock is El Paso.
 
Anyone that can get Tech into the top 40 is a recruiting genius. The only place that may be harder to recruit to than Lubbock is El Paso.
Leach had them rolling in 2009-2012 classes.. Had the #17 and #19 national class in there... it can happen.Screen Shot 2021-02-16 at 7.54.32 AM.png
 
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Those are anomalies IMO. The only way to sustain it would be to have a string of long term successful seasons. And something like that begins the old "chicken or the egg" discussion.

And when you aggregate all the recruits, it can mask some holes in rosters. I'm pretty sure it has been proven that the crown jewels are in the defensive line. A lot of top rated DLs ain't making it to Lubbock...even if they play an offense that didn't put the on the field too much.

Beard has been able to change my thinking to a certain degree. He's been able to get a few highly rated guys...but he's also had to bring in transfers with experience to mitigate a talent gap. That may be a road map for football.

Tech's baseball coach is also proving me wrong to a certain degree.

But those sports are completely different than football. The playoffs in those sports are designed to give teams a chance to get on a roll. Football doesn't do that.
 
Those are anomalies IMO. The only way to sustain it would be to have a string of long term successful seasons. And something like that begins the old "chicken or the egg" discussion.

And when you aggregate all the recruits, it can mask some holes in rosters. I'm pretty sure it has been proven that the crown jewels are in the defensive line. A lot of top rated DLs ain't making it to Lubbock...even if they play an offense that didn't put the on the field too much.

Beard has been able to change my thinking to a certain degree. He's been able to get a few highly rated guys...but he's also had to bring in transfers with experience to mitigate a talent gap. That may be a road map for football.

Tech's baseball coach is also proving me wrong to a certain degree.

But those sports are completely different than football. The playoffs in those sports are designed to give teams a chance to get on a roll. Football doesn't do that.
yeah but he also had top 30 classes to go with it. I get that you have to have success and then maintain it, but Tech should be better on the trail than what it is currently. Kliff best class was ranked 32 nationally.. then it went all the way up to 78 in the country smh. I get the angst that Tech fans are going through.
 
Those are anomalies IMO. The only way to sustain it would be to have a string of long term successful seasons. And something like that begins the old "chicken or the egg" discussion.

And when you aggregate all the recruits, it can mask some holes in rosters. I'm pretty sure it has been proven that the crown jewels are in the defensive line. A lot of top rated DLs ain't making it to Lubbock...even if they play an offense that didn't put the on the field too much.

Beard has been able to change my thinking to a certain degree. He's been able to get a few highly rated guys...but he's also had to bring in transfers with experience to mitigate a talent gap. That may be a road map for football.

Tech's baseball coach is also proving me wrong to a certain degree.

But those sports are completely different than football. The playoffs in those sports are designed to give teams a chance to get on a roll. Football doesn't do that.
I think it's also tough to have a breakout season when you are playing a round robin schedule since everyone is familiar with each other.. But seeing Baylor and ISU break out recently.. not sure if that's the case anymore.

I felt KU needed the big 12 to have divisions back in the worst ways.
 
yeah but he also had top 30 classes to go with it. I get that you have to have success and then maintain it, but Tech should be better on the trail than what it is currently. Kliff best class was ranked 32 nationally.. then it went all the way up to 78 in the country smh. I get the angst that Tech fans are going through.
Oh, I agree totally that they should do better than what they are currently. They still won't be able to maintain classes close to the top 25.

They've had some good coaches, just not any good recruiters IMO...with the exception of Kliff and QBs. Say what you will about Coach GQ, he could spot QB talent and work with it.
 
I think it's also tough to have a breakout season when you are playing a round robin schedule since everyone is familiar with each other.. But seeing Baylor and ISU break out recently.. not sure if that's the case anymore.

I felt KU needed the big 12 to have divisions back in the worst ways.
Kansas is a welfare queen. Why should they put any more effort into building a respectable football program than is absolutely necessary when they're going to get their piece of the pie anyway? If you put a pencil to it, they're actually far better off financially being a bottom feeder in football with a shitty 50,000 seats stadium (and spending a fraction of what other Big XII schools spend on football-related amenities) and just pour a helluva lot less money into maintaining their basketball program.

I suggest the conference's AD's sent a not-so-subtle message to KU that if they don't up their game they're going to have to fend for themselves during the next round of realignment. Good luck landing a nice spot when you're just a one trick pony.
 
Kansas is a welfare queen. Why should they put any more effort into building a respectable football program than is absolutely necessary when they're going to get their piece of the pie anyway? If you put a pencil to it, they're actually far better off financially being a bottom feeder in football with a shitty 50,000 seats stadium (and spending a fraction of what other Big XII schools spend on football-related amenities) and just pour a helluva lot less money into maintaining their basketball program.

I suggest the conference's AD's sent a not-so-subtle message to KU that if they don't up their game they're going to have to fend for themselves during the next round of realignment. Good luck landing a nice spot when you're just a one trick pony.
Think the SEC sent Vandy a similar message as well
 
Kansas is a welfare queen. Why should they put any more effort into building a respectable football program than is absolutely necessary when they're going to get their piece of the pie anyway? If you put a pencil to it, they're actually far better off financially being a bottom feeder in football with a shitty 50,000 seats stadium (and spending a fraction of what other Big XII schools spend on football-related amenities) and just pour a helluva lot less money into maintaining their basketball program.

I suggest the conference's AD's sent a not-so-subtle message to KU that if they don't up their game they're going to have to fend for themselves during the next round of realignment. Good luck landing a nice spot when you're just a one trick pony.
Let's be real. There are a lot of schools that are living off the revenue that comes from having a few teams that are marquee draws for the networks. Maybe not to the extent Kansas seems to be doing, but there are some other pretty big tit suckers out there. As long as those marquee teams are willing to subidize those "welfare queens", they'll keep cashing the checks.
 
Here is a website we all need to bookmark. It shows where all our schools rank in the Big XII on revenue, spending, where the money is spent, etc. ,etc.

Big 12 Conference | College Athletics Financial Information (CAFI) Database
Good find, bro.
Damn! If I'm reading the one with the 8 public institutions correctly, TCU at $120 million would be 3rd in total revenue behind only Texas and OU. Please tell me I'm reading that wrong.
This makes it even more frustrating for frog fans. Gary should be getting much better classes of incoming talent.. they bring in money, are in one of, if not the hottest recruiting areas in the US.
 
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