Rank the Safeties

The years each player was a starter and how many times they reached 10+ AV


Butler : 10 - 5
Lynch : 12 - 5
Lake : 11 - 6
Woodson : 11 - 5
Browner : 8 - 6
 
The years each player was a starter and how many times they reached 10+ AV


Butler : 10 - 5
Lynch : 12 - 5
Lake : 11 - 6
Woodson : 11 - 5
Browner : 8 - 6

you realize I had lynch ranked 3rd of the 5.

and like I said. Butler was the clear number one.
 
you realize I had lynch ranked 3rd of the 5.

and like I said. Butler was the clear number one.


But he's not clearly one.

One could argue using your AV importance Lynch is the worst of the bunch.
 
Oh no. He ranked lynch at three. I wanted everyone to rank lynch at 5 and whoever didn’t is flat out wrong. Am I right now??


I don't know, do you think you are?

It seems i'm the only one not allowed to share an opinion, you and everyone else can have a conversation and disagree but when I do it i'm being a bully and trying to force my way of thinking on you.

I just showed you using what you deemed important that Butler isn't clearly one and it wouldn't be out of line to suggest Lynch is five. But okay, apparently this rip into Nos for having an opinion thing is hip with the kids now...
 
I don't know, do you think you are?

It seems i'm the only one not allowed to share an opinion, you and everyone else can have a conversation and disagree but when I do it i'm being a bully and trying to force my way of thinking on you.

I just showed you using what you deemed important that Butler isn't clearly one and it wouldn't be out of line to suggest Lynch is five. But okay, apparently this rip into Nos for having an opinion thing is hip with the kids now...

That early to mid 90's Steelers D was rough. Probably doesn't get the historical love it deserves because they didn't win a title. They had at best mediocre qb play during that time obviously. Lake was probably a little overshadowed by the linebackers and then Rod...undeservedly in hindsight.
 
1 and 2 are Browner & Butler how ever you wanna rank them then Woodson... IMO anyhow, I don't wanna be a bully here!
Like I said, Woodson was one of the hardest to rank and yes Browner could have been higher but he wasn't.

Geez...you are a huge homer LOL.
 
Lynch and Ronde Barber are a product of that Tampa 2 defense and no my drafting days are over which means so are my voting days so who gives a fuck what I think, draft whoever the fuck ya wanna draft!

Oh, and I just voted for Elway in the Championship game of the last NFL draft so fuck you!
Pity votes don't count
 
Like I said, Woodson was one of the hardest to rank and yes Browner could have been higher but he wasn't.

Geez...you are a huge homer LOL.



Has zero to do with being a homer.
 
it’s easy to say you don’t trust PBs or APs. But it is a pretty good starting point for any debate.

same is true for football reference AV index.

I mean it’s nice to say just watch the player. But we can’t watch everyone enough for the eye test to be accurate.

I don't trust AV either. Yes, to an extent PB's, AV, other stats are good just looking over players if you did not get to see this player live and I'm not saying they are useless bc it really depends on the situation.

There are plenty of players that racked up PB's at the end of their career. There are plenty of players that were nodded the All-Pro bc the position just wasn't deep in those years. I'm not saying that is Lynch but I do think he was a bit overrated. If I had to pick between Lynch and Butler, I would pick Butler....that's all I am saying. The others were difficult to rank but I do think Lake is #5 on this list.
 
If I had to pick between Lynch and Butler, I would pick Butler....that's all I am saying.


Agreed and it's not really that close. Lynch was a good player no question but in the Tampa 2 all you need is a middle linebacker who has some speed and a team of sure tacklers, Lynch was a great tackler.
 
Merton Hanks and his chicken dance >>>>>>>
 
Not to rehash this all over again but i can see its lingering. I dont recall ever calling nos a bully. For starters. The man puts in way more time into these mocks then Id ever care to. And if ive ever come off as not appreciating that i certainly apologize.

Ultimately its my opinion the mocks could benefit from a shakeup with voting. I know it was said it was annoying when outsiders voted but i think that would stimulate more conversation and possibly more people joining in.

If outsiders vote...there is no arguments within imo. Maybe the voting would take longer but its not like we cant start a new draft while we wait

Thats my opinion. Im one dude and i certainly dont matter any more (if anything less) than the rest of you guys.
 
Not to rehash this all over again but i can see its lingering. I dont recall ever calling nos a bully. For starters. The man puts in way more time into these mocks then Id ever care to. And if ive ever come off as not appreciating that i certainly apologize.

Ultimately its my opinion the mocks could benefit from a shakeup with voting. I know it was said it was annoying when outsiders voted but i think that would stimulate more conversation and possibly more people joining in.

If outsiders vote...there is no arguments within imo. Maybe the voting would take longer but its not like we cant start a new draft while we wait

Thats my opinion. Im one dude and i certainly dont matter any more (if anything less) than the rest of you guys.


I think we've established a difference between Nos the guy who runs the mocks and Nos the guy who participates, one has nothing to do with the other and never should have. I don't want people voting for me because they appreciate I have run the mocks all these years just as I don't want people voting for me because I decided what the group think is. Funny thing going back to that conversation is the last 3 or 4 years I have not won the most, most of my wins came early on I guess I brainwashed everyone that first year or two.

You're getting sleepy!

Letting outsiders vote doesn't work, they come in and say team A has my favorite player I vote for team A, it got stupid in a hurry but if y'all wanna try it again feel free.
 
i certainly dont matter any more (if anything less) than the rest of you guys.


That's ridiculous, you've been here for years now, you have just as much right to say what you want as anyone!
 
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