Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

How long?

  • Year 1

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Within the first 3-5 seasons

    Votes: 9 39.1%

  • At LEAST 10 years

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Texas BBQ style potato salad

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Wild Turkey said:
A better question is if the Texas legislature successfully blocks Texas from leaving the Big 12 would the SEC still take Oklahoma? The answer is yes.

The unbalance would be fixed as teams would line up to be invited to the SEC. It would screw Texas though because they can’t carry a whole conference by themselves.
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IF Texas balks for any reason, we should just offer Okie State and get this shit done.
 
ralphiewvu said:
With that too, if OU and another B12 school leave but Tejas remain is that enough juice to still be considered a P5 league? Considering the B12 would have to add 2 more teams minimum and they would all likely be G5’ers.
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At that point Texas probably approaches the PAC and ask them to take UT, Baylor, Tech and TCU (which they should) and the Big 12 folds anyway.

The day the LHN deal was signed the B12 was on life support.
 
Red_Alert said:
The Big 10 should be fine, albeit I'm concerned Kevin Warren is gonna fuck it up.

Top 10 Bluebloods by winning %

Big 10: #1 Ohio St, #4 Michigan, #8 Penn St, #9 Nebraska
SEC: #2 Alabama, #5 Oklahoma, #6 Texas #10 Tennessee
PAC: #7 USC
IND: #3 Notre Dame
ACC: None

However, this is where it gets interesting........

SEC: #12 Georgia, #13 LSU, #14 Florida, #15 Auburn
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Unless they add another marquee name, I just don't see the current make up of the B1G commanding $75-80 million/team/year. And if the B1G can't command such, the ACC and the PAC 12 sure won't. IIRC, those two were already behind the Big 12....which it is obvious they won't be now.

I see what you are getting at with the bottom four. But, I'm not sure those are traditional "blue bloods" per se. However, they were listed very high in the "value" list I referenced earlier on the Yahoo article I posted somewhere. (Tennessee is way up on that value list as well.)
 
Deep Creek said:
Moneygrab?

"This could be a huge factor in why both Oklahoma and Texas are looking to bolt for greener pastures. The SEC recently signed a new deal with ABC/ESPN that will be a ‘significant increase’ from their current deal with CBS. Each school earned $45.3 million in payouts during the 2019 season. The new contract that begins in the 2024 season will be upwards of $55 million to each of the conference’s 14 members. That number with the addition of both Oklahoma and Texas should only increase. According to the Wall Street Journal, Texas is the No. 1 college football program in terms of value. They are worth north of $1 billion and Oklahoma is No. 7 with a value of roughly $885 million. They would join a conference that has the No. 3 most valuable team (Alabama), No. 6 (Georgia), No. 8 (Auburn), No. 9 (LSU), and No. 10 (Tennessee). Having those schools in place with the two teams looking to leave the Big 12 could give the SEC a lot of leverage to increase those numbers to the $75-80 million range in payouts per season. That is significantly more than the $38 million from the Big 12 Conference."

People would call OU and Texas crazy to turn down $75-80/year each. And the SEC would be crazy to stay at $55 when they could go to that number with the addition of these two. That figure may have made things more palatable for A&M.
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So, 7 of the top 10 most valuable teams are in one conference now
 
Fredmccallyrtr said:
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Cowboyinexile said:
You had the occasional loss when you were in the Big 12. It's probably going to happen more now.

It will be interesting to see how your fan base reacts when you go from conference champion every year to 10 wins is a good season with a shot at a conference title twice a decade.

Plus, and I'm not trolling but trying to think this through-how does this impact Riley? He went from a perfect situation to one where if you start losing games to one where he gets on the hot seat quick. This time last week you guys compared him to Stoops but when it's official the knuckle draggers in the fan base are going to judge him by how he does against Saban. Personally I think you guys should annoit him coach for life but he just received some unrealistic expectations. How long before he says screw this and goes to the NFL. You caught lightning in a bottle twice now and the odds of it happening a third time are beyond rare. You Schnellenburger and Blake back to back fail and the risk is you become Tennessee. The downside is you sit on a pile of money that keeps softball on top but this was a risky move.
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I agree with you on several points but you are missing something. Oklahoma basically had to run the table, or very damn close to it, every year to get into the CFP. Now we'll be able to make it in with a loss or 2, maybe 3 some years, and still have a shot at a NC. That's worth more than just about anything else at OU except for the money we'll be making. We don't have to be a conference champion every year, we'll be getting paid huge money and we'll still be there in the mix for a NC. That's all on top of being able to recruit better which likely means we'll win the SEC at least, and probably more, than a couple of times every decade as you mentioned. Considering everything, Riley can do fine if he just keeps it up and makes us competitive in the SEC. The NFL is now probably delayed in his future because of this move.
 
Wild Turkey said:
A better question is if the Texas legislature successfully blocks Texas from leaving the Big 12 would the SEC still take Oklahoma? The answer is yes.

The unbalance would be fixed as teams would line up to be invited to the SEC. It would screw Texas though because they can’t carry a whole conference by themselves.
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They are not even in session and Governor is a Texas-Ex. The legislation is a publicity stunt to ensure future support, nothing else
 
Goldbug said:
I agree with you on several points but you are missing something. Oklahoma basically had to run the table, or very damn close to it, every year to get into the CFP. Now we'll be able to make it in with a loss or 2, maybe 3 some years, and still have a shot at a NC. That's worth more than just about anything else at OU except for the money we'll be making. We don't have to be a conference champion every year, we'll be getting paid huge money and we'll still be there in the mix for a NC. That's all on top of being able to recruit better which likely means we'll win the SEC at least, and probably more, than a couple of times every decade as you mentioned. Considering everything, Riley can do fine if he just keeps it up and makes us competitive in the SEC. The NFL is now probably delayed in his future because of this move.
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From a lot of Youtube videos and forum discussions that I have seen from Oklahoma fans, they seemed to be excited for the SEC and frustrated with Big12 situation based on the following:

1. Lack of big home games - I see a lot of Oklahoma fans talking about the big-name marquee home matchups don't happen annually like you see in other conferences. It doesn't help that Texas is a neutral site location.

2. Lack of opposing fanbases - Although the Big12 has produced some good teams on the field like Iowa State last year, these teams rarely have traveling fans and their stadiums are small. Even crappy SEC teams like Arkansas, Ole Miss, or my Vols have die-hard fanbases with massive stadiums. This is a major reason OU fans seem to be excited about the league

3. TV times - Oklahoma apparently had difficulty getting into the 2:30 slot and getting night games. This has a lot more to do with Fox than the Big12. Still, the SEC situation will fix it.

The move also solves the Longhorn Network headache as ESPN has the contract with the SEC and the LHN. They simple need to move the LHN contract into the SEC. I doubt there is any buyout fees for either UT-Austin or ESPN to make this move as both stand to gain with the new move into the SEC Channel.
 
Wild Turkey said:
At that point Texas probably approaches the PAC and ask them to take UT, Baylor, Tech and TCU (which they should) and the Big 12 folds anyway.

The day the LHN deal was signed the B12 was on life support.
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Big 12 has always been on life support. People have always missed the real reason. It’s Texas and a bunch of fly over states. It has the smallest population footprint of any P5 conference. That is the reason it was never going to make it. That and it has second/third tier assets. THe other stuff is just rhetoric
 
Goldbug said:
Of course OU is going to lose more games in the SEC than it does in the Big XII. And the conference championships will come less often. But the playoffs are going to be easier for OU to get into now (12 teams instead of 4 teams and no need to run the table) and that's going to give Oklahoma a puncher's chance to win NC's. Our recruiting will get even better and the money will be rolling in. Gotta expect the occasional loss when you're running a gauntlet instead of a Big XII schedule. It's all good. Also looking forward to seeing how all the existing SEC schools do against Oklahoma and Texas when we're all playing each other on a consistent basis.
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That gauntlet of Arky, mizz, MSU, ole miss, vandy, tenn, scar, UGA that lost to Texas’ backups, etc? Lol.
pure hype.
b12 is just as good top to bottom as sec. in fact, b-12 has a much more difficult “middle”
Always has
 
ELTEXAN said:
That gauntlet of Arky, mizz, MSU, ole miss, vandy, tenn, scar, UGA that lost to Texas’ backups, etc? Lol.
pure hype.
b12 is just as good top to bottom as sec. in fact, b-12 has a much more difficult “middle”
Always has
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I think you are in a rude awakening. It is different to play in a Bowl Game versus regular season, weekly matchup. What the Big12 didn't have that is in the SEC is crowded stadiums of 80k to 90k fans. No one in the Big12 except OU and Texas could claim that. Even Aggie is probably better than you remember. Sure, there are bad SEC teams (Tennessee is one of them lately) but there are true road environments and when it comes to depth in talent, the SEC has a lot more of it. Look at the recruiting rankings. The SEC "Middle" (which likely includes Auburn and LSU right now) is far stronger from a recruiting perspective than the Big12 "Middle".
 
I guess I better get used to it, but the more I think about it, the more I don’t like. It benefits the conference and my team, but selfishly, if we could go back to the way things were before A&M and Mizzou came over, I’d sign up in a heartbeat
 
Something to think about:
This move might not happen without expanding the playoffs, NIL reform and NCAA President Mark Emmert's stance that the NCAA was backing off and letting leagues/institutions more regulatory authority. I do not view it as Texas and Oklahoma bolting the Big12 just because of money but rather as a reaction to the vision of the NCAA's future model.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I guess I better get used to it, but the more I think about it, the more I don’t like. It benefits the conference and my team, but selfishly, if we could go back to the way things were before A&M and Mizzou came over, I’d sign up in a heartbeat
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Agree. The original Big12 with Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, etc. was a good league. It had depth in all sports. I hated to see it breakup. I don't blame OU and Texas for leaving now as the league is a shadow of what it once was.

I think one of the Big12's greatest mistakes was not locking in a permanent rivalry game between OU and Nebraska from day one. Both programs would have benefited from that game and perhaps Nebraska's fall would not have come so quickly. The Colorado scandal didn't help things as well since it ruined that program for 7-8 years.
 
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