New SEC Alignment

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What are your thoughts on how the SEC will be setup? To me, this is the best scenario and actually fixes a lot of issues with current SEC Alignment:

SEC East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

SEC West: Arkansas, LSU, Miss State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas, and Texas A&M

9 Conference Games (7 Division Games; 2 Inter-Division Games). No locked interdivisional rivalries. Change opponent in both games each year. Under this scenario, an athlete that stays four years at a school will get to play every school in the SEC (but not necessarily at every venue).

Downsides:

Alabama vs. LSU is gone as annual game. However, this in the scheme of things may not be the biggest loss. Alabama vs. LSU is more of a RECENT rivalry than a long-standing one. LSU has always had difficulty identifying who is its top rival. Arkansas has been thrown around. Texas A&M is its current Rivalry Week opponent and is the best one right now (LSU had played A&M more than half of its SEC opponents historically, even before A&M joined the SEC). LSU vs. Texas and LSU vs. Oklahoma are both going to be great games for LSU and I think LSU, in the long run, won't miss Alabama as much once they have Oklahoma coming to town every year.

SEC teams won't play as often. This was a myth brought up in the past that SEC teams didn't play as often. In reality, this is historic. Even when the SEC was a 10 team league, there was many years in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s were most SEC schools only played 5 conference games and teams sometimes went 10-11 years without playing each other. Tennessee went an entire decade without playing Florida, Georgia, or LSU at times. Look it up. OOC rival games were more frequent than some SEC games in the past. This wasn't just limited to the SEC as well.

Texas may push around SEC. I doubt it. For several reasons. #1, Texas won't necessarily have the dominate power that it had in the Big12. If it wants to push things around, then the SEC will say good bye. #2 A lot of things that are in Texas' best interest are also in the SEC's best interest as well.

One great example was people talking about Texas maybe pushing for the SEC CG to be in Dallas. I think this is inevitable and I don't think Texas even needs to push for it. The SEC stands to gain a lot of $$$$ for it and several other SEC Schools will also like the change (Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri, even the Mississippi Schools maybe closer to Dallas vs. Atlanta). In fact the game could rotate between Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans.

Restoring the Texas vs. Texas A&M Rivalry (and growing it) is probably an agenda item that both the SEC and Texas support. The SEC also definitely wants to keep the RRSO just "as it is" because that is another nice rivalry game to fit in with the other ones such as Florida-Georgia that are already present.

I don't think Texas has necessarily the power to push around the league but I also don't think there is really anything that Texas would want that would conflict with the SEC right now. LHN is gone and I imagine that is something Texas is alright with now that they are getting the SEC Network money.
 
I like the pod system

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I like the pod breakdown better. Even years and odd years. Keep it simple

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Pod system kills rivalries.

A classic example is Tennessee vs. Kentucky is not retained in your scenario. This game has been played since the late 1800s every year. It may not be competitive but it is an important series to both schools. If there is a pod scenario, I guarantee that game is retained. Tennessee won't lose Alabama, Kentucky, and Vandy and they will fight to also keep Florida and Georgia.

The East/West split prevents any of those loses with the exception of Alabama-LSU and Alabama-Miss State (Alabama-Miss State is a long running series because both schools are very close to each other geographically, closer than even Alabama-Auburn). Those are probably the two biggest games you lose. Ole Miss-Vandy is perhaps another one.

Part of the SEC's strength has been its rivalries. The SEC will want to put games on OU and Texas' schedule with the intention of driving rivalries and fun matchups. The East-West scenario does all of that.
 
SEC divided into potential pods:

Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Texas A&M

Tennessee
LSU
Kentucky
Missouri

Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
Alabama

Florida
Vanderbilt
Georgia
South Carolina

Play each (3) in your POD every season.
Rotate playing 2 from every other POD yearly (or every two years?).
That’s 9 conference games.
Prolly best to take the Top 2 teams by conference records to play in the CCG (break ties by CFP ranking???)
 
Yeah, I would switch A&M and Arkansas, but I am sure that was done for balance.

Those pods are still potentially unbalanced. Pod B especially if Tennessee gets back to form. That has 3 top-15 all-time football programs in it.

This is why East-West Division split will happen. It is the best scenario. Not to mention, having a playoff to decide the Champion is a little silly at this point.

I could see the SEC eventually going to pod system, especially if expansion continues.
 
I still think East vs. West works best. Almost all of the rivalries are maintained, something that's hard to do with the pod system. If the SEC is going to 9 conference games, that would be 7 divisional games and 2 cross division games.

East:
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Alabama
Auburn

West:
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Missouri
 
If TX and TAMU aren’t in the same division or pod, we know the gaggies are cowards.
 
For the Pod System fans, how do you retain the following rivalries in your scenario:

Tennessee-Kentucky
Georgia-Auburn
Texas A&M/Arkansas-LSU depending on which pod system you go with
Tennessee-Florida
Kentucky-Vanderbilt
 
Pod system kills rivalries.

A classic example is Tennessee vs. Kentucky is not retained in your scenario. This game has been played since the late 1800s every year. It may not be competitive but it is an important series to both schools. If there is a pod scenario, I guarantee that game is retained. Tennessee won't lose Alabama, Kentucky, and Vandy and they will fight to also keep Florida and Georgia.

The East/West split prevents any of those loses with the exception of Alabama-LSU and Alabama-Miss State (Alabama-Miss State is a long running series because both schools are very close to each other geographically, closer than even Alabama-Auburn). Those are probably the two biggest games you lose. Ole Miss-Vandy is perhaps another one.

Part of the SEC's strength has been its rivalries. The SEC will want to put games on OU and Texas' schedule with the intention of driving rivalries and fun matchups. The East-West scenario does all of that.
Conferences are getting too big and I doubt it stops here. The 2 division format won't last much longer. I agree that rivalries are important, that is why the important ones are kept in the pods. I don't recall Bama/LSU being a rival until Saban and Miles took over respectively and even then it hasn't felt like a real rivalry to me. Of course, I am on the outside looking in, but if you had to place Bamas rivals, I think most would say Auburn, Tennessee, then maybe LSU in that order. But you could still have that pod, just have Bamas pod be with LSU, Tenn, Auburn, and Vandy or whoever. A little stacked, but honestly no different than it currently is.

That was the problem that the Big12 had in my opinion, it kept a rivalry between Colorado and Nebraska.... though it never really meant much and got rid of Nebraska/Oklahoma, an important one.

Not a single Nebraska fan would tell you they would rather have Colorado as a rival over Oklahoma. It's important to keep the real ones.

But I get ya, there is going to be letdowns no matter what is decided.
 
Conferences are getting too big and I doubt it stops here. The 2 division format won't last much longer. I agree that rivalries are important, that is why the important ones are kept in the pods. I don't recall Bama/LSU being a rival until Saban and Miles took over respectively and even then it hasn't felt like a real rivalry to me. Of course, I am on the outside looking in, but if you had to place Bamas rivals, I think most would say Auburn, Tennessee, then maybe LSU in that order. But you could still have that pod, just have Bamas pod be with LSU, Tenn, Auburn, and Vandy or whoever. A little stacked, but honestly no different than it currently is.

That was the problem that the Big12 had in my opinion, it kept a rivalry between Colorado and Nebraska.... though it never really meant much and got rid of Nebraska/Oklahoma, an important one.

Not a single Nebraska fan would tell you they would rather have Colorado as a rival over Oklahoma. It's important to keep the real ones.

But I get ya, there is going to be letdowns no matter what is decided.

Not under East-West scenario that I described. As you point out, Alabama vs. LSU is recent and I think Oklahoma is a great replacement for Alabama to LSU.
 
For the Pod System fans, how do you retain the following rivalries in your scenario:

Tennessee-Kentucky
Georgia-Auburn
Texas A&M/Arkansas-LSU depending on which pod system you go with
Tennessee-Florida
Kentucky-Vanderbilt
Put them in the same pod.

Tennessees pod can have - Kent, Bama, Vandy, whoever
Georgia - Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, whoever
A&M - Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, OU
Kent - Tenn, Vandy... whoever
 
Put them in the same pod.

Tennessees pod can have - Kent, Bama, Vandy, whoever
Georgia - Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, whoever
A&M - Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, OU
Kent - Tenn, Vandy... whoever

It's really difficult to go to a pod system without either having extremely uneven pods or losing a lot of the rivalry games.

Georgia says they have to play Florida and Auburn. Auburn says they have to play Alabama and Georgia. Alabama says they have to play Tennessee and Auburn. You just can't make it work with pods without losing some very important games.
 
SEC divided into potential pods:

Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Texas A&M

Tennessee
LSU
Kentucky
Missouri

Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss St
Alabama

Florida
Vanderbilt
Georgia
South Carolina

Play each (3) in your POD every season.
Rotate playing 2 from every other POD yearly (or every two years?).
That’s 9 conference games.
Prolly best to take the Top 2 teams by conference records to play in the CCG (break ties by CFP ranking???)
This is the best one I’ve seen. It completely screws OU, Texas and aTm (but poor Arkansas). The real creative part is LSU being pared with East Division schools.

Won’t work but I’d be on board.
 
Insider guy at Surly said that he's hearing two divisions, no pods, 9 games and one permanent cross over game. He noted that it sounds like Bama-UT would be one.

OP had the schools in each division correct.
 
Put them in the same pod.

Tennessees pod can have - Kent, Bama, Vandy, whoever
Georgia - Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, whoever
A&M - Arkansas, Texas, Missouri, OU
Kent - Tenn, Vandy... whoever

You lose Alabama-Auburn in that scenario. Like I said, East/West works best.

Rivalries built the SEC and mean everything to the league. Heck, look at the energy the SEC put into trying to find Missouri a rival by touting the border game with Arkansas.

SEC teams build teams to beat their rivals and not National Title games necessarily (that is icing on the cake). Coaches get fired for failing to beat rivals.

SEC is going to want to create new rivalries with the new members (Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas A&M all have history with OU and Texas so it is actually going to be easy to set those up. LSU is another great candidate).
 
It's really difficult to go to a pod system without either having extremely uneven pods or losing a lot of the rivalry games.

Georgia says they have to play Florida and Auburn. Auburn says they have to play Alabama and Georgia. Alabama says they have to play Tennessee and Auburn. You just can't make it work with pods without losing some very important games.
Ok. One, fuck balance, teams will ebb and flow. Two, who has more than 4 real rivals?
 
This is the best one I’ve seen. It completely screws OU, Texas and aTm (but poor Arkansas). The real creative part is LSU being pared with East Division schools.

Won’t work but I’d be on board.
no it wouldn't.. it would be the Big12 south again
 
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