How bad would Nebraska have beaten Michigan in 1997?

NU_FTW said:
Your bet is stupid, Nebraska already has the crystal, we don't need you to be okay with it.
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Nice that you stepped up to protect @Blackshirts BLVD, but the post wasn't about you. The bet wasn't for you. Keep on fighting a battle that has been over 23+ years. Did Michigan give you PTSD? You would think that you have a good head coach and the future looks promising, that you would quit stressing out about a unified championship that you cannot win.

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Blackshirts BLVD said:
I don't ignore Colorado, they have been talked about a bunch in this thread. Blaming draft picks and bias? LOL That's a fucking laugh.

If you didn't know anything about the 01 Miami team and all the draft picks and just look at the stats and what they did and who they did it against, you would say 'they were a good team', no one would even mention them in the realm of greatest of all time, just like 97 Nebraska.

Stating otherwise is a straight up lie and you know it. You know it, because you can't point to anything they did that would garner that level of talk without mentioning the draft picks because that is the sole reason that team is ever talked about. I'm not saying 97 Nebraska would beat 01 Miami, Idk, but I think it would be close and I would not be surprised to see either team win. Nor am I claiming that 97 Nebraska is in the discussion for GOAT.

You call it stupidity, ok, then point to some things that demonstrates how this team stands out from other undefeated national championship level teams WITHOUT mentioning the draft picks/players. The best thing you can say is that they had a really good defense, but even with that.... I can name a bunch of defenses better and from more dominate teams.
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You‘re so full of shit. You stated the more you think about it the more you doubt 01 Miami would beat 97 Nebraska. That view is retarded and bias.

I actually saw 2001 Miami play. (@PSU) The team averaged over 42 points a game. The defense averaged giving up less then 10 points a game. They beat 6 teams that finished in top 25 that year. What else do you need?

Stop citing 2 close games Miami had with top 25 teams while ignoring the close ones Nebraska had with 5 win teams when indicating why you think 97 Nebraska would beat 01 Miami.
 
ralphiewvu said:
You‘re so full of shit. You stated the more you think about it the more you doubt 01 Miami would beat 97 Nebraska. That view is retarded and bias.

I actually saw 2001 Miami play. (@PSU) The team averaged over 42 points a game. The defense averaged giving up less then 10 points a game. They beat 6 teams that finished in top 25 that year. What else do you need?

Stop citing 2 close games Miami had with top 25 teams while ignoring the close ones Nebraska had with 5 win teams when indicating why you think 97 Nebraska would beat 01 Miami.
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Maybe a homer pick but I think 2001 Tennessee might have been able to hang with Miami had they gotten by LSU in the SEC CG. Tennessee choked away a great game.

That 2001 team had a ton of talent that made noise in the NFL: Donte Stallworth, Albert Haynesworth, John Henderson, Jason Witten, Kelly Washington, Travis Henry, Kevin Burnett, Michael Munoz, etc.

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Also, I agree with OP. 1997 Nebraska would have stomped Michigan.

Look what they did to 1997 Tennessee which had stars like Peyton Manning, Al Wilson, Jamal Lewis, Peerless Price, etc. on the roster.
 
I personally think 2001 Miami is a little overrated. Partially due to not having a dominate QB.

I think 1992 Alabama, 1995 Nebraska, 2004 USC, 2004 Auburn, 2005 USC, 2005 Texas, 2008 Florida, 2009 Alabama, 2012 Alabama, 2015 Clemson, 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU, and 2020 Alabama would all trashed 2001 Miami.
 
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Volbound1700 said:
Maybe a homer pick but I think 2001 Tennessee might have been able to hang with Miami had they gotten by LSU in the SEC CG. Tennessee choked away a great game.

That 2001 team had a ton of talent that made noise in the NFL: Donte Stallworth, Albert Haynesworth, John Henderson, Jason Witten, Kelly Washington, Travis Henry, Kevin Burnett, Michael Munoz, etc.

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I don’t see that, you guys had all but 4 games that were 11 point games or less With 2 losses in there. The amount of lack of domination is what does me in there. Plus you almost lost to a 2 win team. It’s a very good team but I honestly don’t see them being on 01 Miami’s level.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I don’t see that, you guys had all but 4 games that were 11 point games or less With 2 losses in there. The amount of lack of domination is what does me in there. Plus you almost lost to a 2 win team. It’s a very good team but I honestly don’t see them being on 01 Miami’s level.
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Miami didn't play anyone in 2001. They were in the Big East (Easy). The only teams that were even solid competition on a regular basis on their schedule was Florida State and Virginia Tech. West Virginia was crap back then compared to what they became later on.
 
First off, do you see Larry Coker (lol) outcoaching Nick Saban, Dabo Swinney, Pete Carroll?

Do you see Ken Dorsey out performing Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Tua Tagovailoa, Joe Burrow, or any of the QBs on the teams that I listed?

Do you see Miami playing the type of schedules these other National Champions had to endure?

They got a Nebraska team that was technically #3 in the Big12. It was a gift wrapped title. What happened in 2002? They got beat by Ohio State. Heck, Tennessee was terrible in 2002 and I was at the game when they played Miami and it wasn't necessarily a blowout. Miami's offense had issues (their defense was great). In 2003, Tennessee beat them @ Miami.

I wasn't impressed by Miami, sorry. Their coaching was mediocre, their QB play and offense was mediocre. They had a great defense but that would not beat some of the Nick Saban teams that are loaded on both sides of the ball plus have the coaching. That would not beat some of the Pete Carroll USC teams or Dabo Swinney Clemson teams. It definitely wouldn't beat 2019 LSU which many are now saying might be the best team ever. I don't even see the Miami teams beating the better Tom Osbourne Nebraska teams.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Miami didn't play anyone in 2001. They were in the Big East (Easy). The only teams that were even solid competition on a regular basis on their schedule was Florida State and Virginia Tech. West Virginia was crap back then compared to what they became later on.
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They played 6 teams that finished ranked. They blew through almost everyone they played. I am not arguing their schedule was tougher then Tennessee‘s but they were a way better team then that Tennessee team IMO. 2001 Tennessee had a ton of close games.
 
Volbound1700 said:
First off, do you see Larry Coker (lol) outcoaching Nick Saban, Dabo Swinney, Pete Carroll?

Do you see Ken Dorsey out performing Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Tua Tagovailoa, Joe Burrow, or any of the QBs on the teams that I listed?

Do you see Miami playing the type of schedules these other National Champions had to endure?

They got a Nebraska team that was technically #3 in the Big12. It was a gift wrapped title. What happened in 2002? They got beat by Ohio State. Heck, Tennessee was terrible in 2002 and I was at the game when they played Miami and it wasn't necessarily a blowout. Miami's offense had issues (their defense was great). In 2003, Tennessee beat them @ Miami.

I wasn't impressed by Miami, sorry. Their coaching was mediocre, their QB play and offense was mediocre. They had a great defense but that would not beat some of the Nick Saban teams that are loaded on both sides of the ball plus have the coaching. That would not beat some of the Pete Carroll USC teams or Dabo Swinney Clemson teams. It definitely wouldn't beat 2019 LSU which many are now saying might be the best team ever. I don't even see the Miami teams beating the better Tom Osbourne Nebraska teams.
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We are talking 2001 Miami, not 2002 nor 2003. The talent they had and that great defense was tremendous.

Gene Chizik has an NC. Was it because he outcoached people? Hell no he had some talent and luck around him.

01 Miami would throttle 01 Tennessee.
 
ralphiewvu said:
They played 6 teams that finished ranked. They blew through almost everyone they played. I am not arguing their schedule was tougher then Tennessee‘s but they were a way better team then that Tennessee team IMO. 2001 Tennessee had a ton of close games.
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Too bad we never got to see it. IMO, 2001 Tennessee and 1997 Tennessee were probably the two MOST TALENTED Tennessee teams but the 1998 team was special in that the team gelled better and could overcome adversity.

To me, 2001 Miami's weak points is their coaching and offense. Larry Coker later got fired because he really wasn't that great of a coach and Miami never recovered from the fall.

What makes teams like 2005 USC or any of the Alabama/Clemson National Title Teams is that you also have the coaching to go with the talent. No one can deny that Nick Saban is one of the best mastermind coaches ever and could probably beat a Larry Coker team that has more talent.
 
ralphiewvu said:
We are talking 2001 Miami, not 2002 nor 2003. The talent they had and that great defense was tremendous.

Gene Chizik has an NC. Was it because he outcoached people? Hell no he had some talent and luck around him.

01 Miami would throttle 01 Tennessee.
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Blowing through a schedule does not say a lot about the team performance all of the time but rather the competition. Great teams usually have epic matchups and are judged by their epic matchups.

None of the 2001 Miami opponents stand out as a great epic matchup like the 2005 Texas vs 2005 USC game, the Alabama-Clemson matchups, 2017 Alabama vs. Georgia, or the 2011 Alabama vs. LSU matchups. You don't really have that big-time opponent (at least until Ohio State in 2002 which they lost).

Gene Chizik had Cam Netwon and Gus Malzahn. Again, Miami had a mediocre QB that did not make it in the pros and no real coaching strategy. Also 2010 Auburn barely got by Oregon and several opponents in the regular season. I would entertain an argument that the 2001 Miami might be able to beat that Auburn team. Granted, football has changed so much since the 1990s and early 2000s. I think even #5 and #6 teams in the country now would likely have killed some of the past National Champions.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Too bad we never got to see it. IMO, 2001 Tennessee and 1997 Tennessee were probably the two MOST TALENTED Tennessee teams but the 1998 team was special in that the team gelled better and could overcome adversity.

To me, 2001 Miami's weak points is their coaching and offense. Larry Coker later got fired because he really wasn't that great of a coach and Miami never recovered from the fall.

What makes teams like 2005 USC or any of the Alabama/Clemson National Title Teams is that you also have the coaching to go with the talent. No one can deny that Nick Saban is one of the best mastermind coaches ever and could probably beat a Larry Coker team that has more talent.
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I’m not here to argue Larry Coker was some great coach, he was basically a chaperone told to not screw it up. (At least the first few years) He was a decent recruiter that used momentum to keep it going for the first few years. Sabans first few titles he didn’t have some superstar QB, they had talent around them. It’s exactly like Dorsey and Miami.

I wish I could see 01 Miami play a bunch of teams. But we never will.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Blowing through a schedule does not say a lot about the team performance all of the time but rather the competition. Great teams usually have epic matchups and are judged by their epic matchups.

None of the 2001 Miami opponents stand out as a great epic matchup like the 2005 Texas vs 2005 USC game, the Alabama-Clemson matchups, 2017 Alabama vs. Georgia, or the 2011 Alabama vs. LSU matchups. You don't really have that big-time opponent (at least until Ohio State in 2002 which they lost).

Gene Chizik had Cam Netwon and Gus Malzahn. Again, Miami had a mediocre QB that did not make it in the pros and no real coaching strategy. Also 2010 Auburn barely got by Oregon and several opponents in the regular season. I would entertain an argument that the 2001 Miami might be able to beat that Auburn team. Granted, football has changed so much since the 1990s and early 2000s. I think even #5 and #6 teams in the country now would likely have killed some of the past National Champions.
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This is just pure delusion. Blowing through a schedule absolutely says a lot about a teams performance.

So because Miami’s opponents weren’t “epic” in your mind they weren’t a great team?

Larry Coker had a ton of talent around him. He just didnt have to screw it up that first Year AND he didn’t. I don’t see 2010 Oregon or Auburn being close with 01 Miami, much like 01 Tennessee.
 
ralphiewvu said:
This is just pure delusion. Blowing through a schedule absolutely says a lot about a teams performance.

So because Miami’s opponents weren’t “epic” in your mind they weren’t a great team?

Larry Coker had a ton of talent around him. He just didnt have to screw it up that first Year AND he didn’t. I don’t see 2010 Oregon or Auburn being close with 01 Miami, much like 01 Tennessee.
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As stated, Miami played in a joke league. There was a whole other level of difficulty of running through a B1G, SEC, Pac12, or Big12 schedule at that time vs. a Big East schedule.

I have seen many of these "GREAT" Miami teams get smacked once they ran into REAL teams. 1985 Tennessee vs. Miami ring a bell? That Miami team was supposed to be one of the greatest ever as well. What about 1992 Miami vs. 1992 Alabama? Look that one up.

Miami's performance against SEC schools has been terrible, even when they were good. Miami's only real opponent of merit in most seasons was Florida State (they would sometimes get a tough OOC game). No one else on their schedule really terrified anyone.
 
Volbound1700 said:
As stated, Miami played in a joke league. There was a whole other level of difficulty of running through a B1G, SEC, Pac12, or Big12 schedule at that time vs. a Big East schedule.

I have seen many of these "GREAT" Miami teams get smacked once they ran into REAL teams. 1985 Tennessee vs. Miami ring a bell? That Miami team was supposed to be one of the greatest ever as well. What about 1992 Miami vs. 1992 Alabama? Look that one up.

Miami's performance against SEC schools has been terrible, even when they were good. Miami's only real opponent of merit in most seasons was Florida State (they would sometimes get a tough OOC game). No one else on their schedule really terrified anyone.
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They played and beat 6 teams that finished in the top 25. That’s 1/2 their schedule.

Stop trying to bring miami teams from decade/s before into this as a way to bring down 2001 Miami. We are talking 2001 Miami. Not 1985 or 92 or 2002 or whoever, just the 2001 team.
 
I also disagree with your statement that 2001 Miami would beat 2010 Auburn or 2010 Oregon now that I think about it.

CFB has changed dramatically since the early 2000s. First off, 2001 Miami saw nothing like the Auburn or Oregon spread offense. They would be caught off-guard by the scheme. Cam Newton was a phenom. The only player in that era that is close to Cam Newton was Michael Vick. Michael Vick made plays and scored points against some of the greatest defenses in the early 2000s. In 1999, he beat Miami's defense.

Auburn's defense in 2010 was also not something to be taken lightly. They were perhaps just as dominate physically as the 2001 Miami defense and they have more speed.

Michael Dyer, as a RB, was faster than any of the players on that Miami team.

As stated, a lot of this has to do with the evolution of the game. National Champions from 2000 would be 7-3 or 8-4 in the SEC today. The game has changed that much.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Shut up. This is between two programs with nothing to hang our hat on for the last 25 years. You current succeeders need to stay out of this.
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How can you say as a UofM fan you have nothing to hang your hat on? Yous guys gots Jim mutha fuckin' Harbaugh. If he can win his spring game that could be the start of an unexpected season for that community college in ann arbor.

Like JH proudly asked

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