How bad would Nebraska have beaten Michigan in 1997?

Red_Alert said:
Remember the vast majority of AP voters turned in their votes BEFORE the Orange Bowl was even played.


Michigan, 1997

In a year in which Michigan's Charles Woodson won a controversial Heisman vote over Tennessee's Peyton Manning, the Wolverines were voted No. 1 by the AP Poll over an undefeated Nebraska juggernaut, which won the ESPN/USA Today national title.

In the usually tough Big Ten, Michigan ended up being the only conference member to finish in the top 10 of the final AP rankings. Arguably, their best three wins were against Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin, teams that got beaten handily by SEC teams in their bowl games.

Why does it matter that they got beat by opponents from the SEC? Because co-national champion Nebraska steamrolled SEC champion Tennessee in the Orange Bowl, 42-17. Meanwhile, Michigan was scraping by outmatched Washington State in the Rose, 21-16.

Had Michigan and Nebraska played a game for all the marbles, it is likely that the Cornhuskers would've been favored and, as most experts agreed at the time, the Huskers probably would've won the game handily.
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Joe Biden is an expert in pandemics and military matters ... that is why 81 million people voted for him. Experts would have had Nebraska favored by 5 points (from what I read). Below are the facts (I posted earlier), go ahead and refute them.

Both teams were undefeated - Nebraska had a philosophy where they would run up the score on much weaker teams in a conference that was inferior. It still continues, teams are leaving that conference for better competition. The only way to measure the teams is a common opponent. They had one Colorado.

Nebraska 27 - Colorado 24

Michigan 27 - Colorado 3

AP Poll - 1. Michigan (51.5 votes) 2. Nebraska (18 votes)

Coaches Poll - Nebraska (32 votes) 2. Michigan (30 votes)

A person could safely presume that there were sympathy votes for Nebraska because it was Tom Osborne's last season.

If thinking Nebraska was the better team helps Nebraska cope with their current mediocre team. I would rather look toward the future to cope with my mediocre team. Maybe even a win against ohio state this year.
 
Red_Alert said:
Nice try....

One was a rivalry game, the other wasn't.

One was @ Michigan, the other was @ Boulder.

The 'Transitive Property' could be used to say that UTEP would have beaten Michigan in 1997.
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Please feel free to explain that.
 
Voltaire said:
Please feel free to explain that.
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Sure.

The Transitive Property website doesn't go back to 1997, but it goes back to 2006 which was a Lloyd Carr (11-2) team.

2006 UTEP (5-7) would have beaten that 2006 (11-2) Michigan team by at least 30 points.

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Red_Alert said:
Michigan doesn't win the AP poll title in 1997 if they hadn't hidden in the Rose Bowl by refusing to join the Bowl Alliance that was meant to pit #1 vs #2.
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yes we do. Michigan was leading in both polls heading into the bowl games. Nebraska got a pity jump for Osborn.
 
Red_Alert said:
Michigan doesn't win the AP poll title in 1997 if they hadn't hidden in the Rose Bowl by refusing to join the Bowl Alliance that was meant to pit #1 vs #2.
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
yes we do. Michigan was leading in both polls heading into the bowl games. Nebraska got a pity jump for Osborn.
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You obviously cannot read or comprehend, you flaming idiot.
 
Red_Alert said:
Sure.

The Transitive Property website doesn't go back to 1997, but it goes back to 2006 which was a Lloyd Carr (11-2) team.

UTEP would have beaten that (11-2) Michigan team.

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I am not that smart ... help me out ... during the 1997 season who did Michigan lose to, for your Transitive Property logic to equate to UTEP beating Michigan in the 1997 season.
 
Voltaire said:
I am not that smart ... help me out ... during the 1997 season who did Michigan lose to, for your Transitive Property logic to equate to UTEP beating Michigan in the 1997 season.
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I've noticed.

2009 (4-8) UTEP would have beaten 2009 (14-0) Alabama

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Red_Alert said:
You obviously cannot read or comprehend, you flaming idiot.
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I think you mean, had Nebraska been elite enough to play in the Rose Bowl then they might have had a chance at a real title.
 
Red_Alert said:
^^ He's fallen so far, all he's got left is troll ^^

LMAO!!!
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Nebraska joined a fake alliance of teams that didn't even represent the top teams in the country, and then now claims that other teams who didn't join their fake alliance who were better, aren't national champions because they didn't join a fake alliance. It's cute, but doesn't defend your fake coaches poll trophy awarded to your coach; exclusively for retiring.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Nebraska joined a fake alliance of teams that didn't even represent the top teams in the country, and then now claims that other teams who didn't join their fake alliance who were better, aren't national champions because they didn't join a fake alliance. It's cute, but doesn't defend your fake coaches poll trophy awarded to your coach; exclusively for retiring.
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Rose bowl opponent and PAC 10 champ #9 Washington St was not one of the "top teams in the country".
 
Red_Alert said:
^^ He's fallen so far, all he's got left is troll ^^

LMAO!!!
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Sad thing is he believes it, it isnt even a troll, he is just THAT retarded.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Nebraska joined a fake alliance of teams that didn't even represent the top teams in the country, and then now claims that other teams who didn't join their fake alliance who were better, aren't national champions because they didn't join a fake alliance. It's cute, but doesn't defend your fake coaches poll trophy awarded to your coach; exclusively for retiring.
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Someone is angry. It's funny that UofM's last outright title was in 1948. What's the total? About 10 national championships from 1900 to 1948 and one title the next 73 years?

Hail to the victors? They need a news song.
 
Wamu said:
Someone is angry. It's funny that UofM's last outright title was in 1948. What's the total? About 10 national championships from 1900 to 1948 and one title the next 73 years?

Hail to the victors? They need a news song.
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Shut up. This is between two programs with nothing to hang our hat on for the last 25 years. You current succeeders need to stay out of this.
 
Voltaire said:
Joe Biden is an expert in pandemics and military matters ... that is why 81 million people voted for him. Experts would have had Nebraska favored by 5 points (from what I read). Below are the facts (I posted earlier), go ahead and refute them.

Both teams were undefeated - Nebraska had a philosophy where they would run up the score on much weaker teams in a conference that was inferior.
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Nebraska scored 492 of their total 607 points that season PRIOR to the 4th quarter. That means that Nebraska scored 81% of their points before the 4th quarter, hardly call that running of the score.

Likewise, Michigan scored 262 of their total 322 points (huge difference in offensive output btw) that season prior to the 4th quarter. Meaning that Michigan also scored 81% of their points prior to the 4th quarter.

Both teams score the same percentage of points prior to the 4th quarter. I wouldn't say, either team ran up the score.


Also... you claim that the Big 12 was a weaker conference that year, but the Big 12 finished with more ranked teams (5) than the Big10 (4) including two top 10 teams in Nebraska and Kansas St whereas Michigan was the only top 10 BigTen team. The Big10 also had a team go winless, 0-11, when even Iowa St got a win (1-10). Unlike Michigan, Nebraska also had to risk it all in an additional conference championship game. Michigan actually skipped out on playing one of the ranked BigTen teams in Purdue.

Nebraska allowed on average 16-17 points per game. #5 total defense
Michigan allowed on average 10 points per game. #1 total defense

Nebraska scored on average 47 points per game. #1 total offense
Michigan scored on average 27 points per game. #44 total offense


Voltaire said:
It still continues, teams are leaving that conference for better competition.
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Not true. It has always been about stability and money.
Voltaire said:
The only way to measure the teams is a common opponent. They had one Colorado.
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If that is true, then why, by your own admission, are "experts" favoring Nebraska? To put the Colorado game on the same level of meaning from a CU perspective is completely nonsensical. I am sure CU would prefer to have won both, but who do you think they care more about winning against, a good nonconference opponent, or an IN CONFERENCE RIVAL?
 
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