Thee PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC (Alliance) are Dividing Up tOrphaned 8 As We Plorst.

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4 to PAC
2 to Big 10
2 to ACC?

Some are more obvious than others. i.e. The Big 10's got Iowa St and Kansas (AAU and regional)
ACC's got WVU (regional).
Your guess as to what 4 of the 5 the PAC goes with, which leaves one Odd Man Out. It's most likely one tejas school (Baylor, T Tech, TCU) being out of the PAC. K. State is adjacent to Colorado with a Big 8/12 history therefore likely in the PAC.

Who would that 'Odd Man Out' be and would the ACC even want them considering they've already got ND for baseball/basketball and for 5 games in football? Odd Man Out would be a poor regional fit to the ACC, but not much a poorer regional fit than WVU was to the Big 12.

The SEC news broke over a month ago. Zee papers from all 3 parties were signed, sealed, and delivered 3 weeks ago. They'd kept their plan super double (SCI level) secret for 7 months before the bomb got dropped. The SEC commissioner was even on the 4 member working group working the play-off expansion and never uttered a word. OU/TX also kept it in the upper echelons to prevent any leak.

That being said the PAC 12, Big 10, ACC commissioners and AD's are also keeping the split of the Orphan 8 super double secret. Do you really think they've been sitting on their hands while the rest of us morons run through 50 scenarios of "OMG G5" status on message boards? If so I've got a bridge to sell you.

The Orphan 8 were all P5 teams when playing each other and TX/OU in the Big 8/12. All of the sudden without TX/OU on their annual schedule They're NOT? LOL Give me a break. Every Orphan 8 was considered a tough enough grind for TX/OU to get BCS and CFP consideration. This has changed how? Go to the PAC they'll be playing USC, Washington. Go to the Big 10 they'll be playing tOSU, Wisconsin, go to the ACC they'll be playing Clemson. There's no fucking difference than what was the old Big 12. NONE!!!

The PAC 12, Big 10, ACC, and Orphan 8 will wait out TX/OU cutting their GOR checks (most likely early 2022) before the official division of the Orphan 7/8 is announced.
All parties not OU/TX/SEC would be idiots to commit to anything official on paper at this point. Let everyone leave with a $50+ million payday first.

 

[Wishbone]

 

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Penn St's Sandy Barbour (who's in on the double secret meetings) all but spilled the beans today.

"I do think that there are conferences out there that could bring value from a monetary standpoint, particularly, speaking about our television contract and our television revenues," Barbour said. "... The Big Ten really prides itself on being more than just an athletics conference, in terms of our provosts get together, we share some library resources, some other academic resources."

"I'm not trying to downplay the importance of value as it relates to upsizing our revenues -- that certainly is important -- but that's not the only reason," Barbour said. "And I think that there are some reasons around like-mindedness that would be very valuable to the conference."

Iowa St and Kansas to the Big 10.

AD: Big Ten eyes more than money with alliance

Penn State AD Sandy Barbour said the Big Ten is thinking about things other than just money, and the conference "feels like it's in a really good place" as it explores an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12.

www.espn.com

 

[TechRaiderRider]

It's most likely one tejas school (Baylor, T Tech, TCU)

agree -

 

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agree -

I think you're safe.

Being PAC 12 (left coast), Odd Man Out is likely either of the religious schools Baylor/TCU.

T Tech
Okie Jr,
K State
Choice Baylor/TCU

 

[Thiefery]

4 to PAC
2 to Big 10
2 to ACC?

Some are more obvious than others. i.e. The Big 10's got Iowa St and Kansas (AAU and regional)
ACC's got WVU (regional).
Your guess as to what 4 of the 5 the PAC goes with, which leaves one Odd Man Out. It's most likely one tejas school (Baylor, T Tech, TCU) being out of the PAC. K. State is adjacent to Colorado with a Big 8/12 history therefore likely in the PAC.

Who would that 'Odd Man Out' be and would the ACC even want them considering they've already got ND for baseball/basketball and for 5 games in football? Odd Man Out would be a poor regional fit to the ACC, but not much a poorer regional fit than WVU was to the Big 12.

The SEC news broke over a month ago. Zee papers from all 3 parties were signed, sealed, and delivered 3 weeks ago. They'd kept their plan super double (SCI level) secret for 7 months before the bomb got dropped. The SEC commissioner was even on the 4 member working group working the play-off expansion and never uttered a word. OU/TX also kept it in the upper echelons to prevent any leak.

That being said the PAC 12, Big 10, ACC commissioners and AD's are also keeping the split of the Orphan 8 super double secret. Do you really think they've been sitting on their hands while the rest of us morons run through 50 scenarios of "OMG G5" status on message boards? If so I've got a bridge to sell you.

The Orphan 8 were all P5 teams when playing each other and TX/OU in the Big 8/12. All of the sudden without TX/OU on their annual schedule They're NOT? LOL Give me a break. Every Orphan 8 was considered a tough enough grind for TX/OU to get BCS and CFP consideration. This has changed how? Go to the PAC they'll be playing USC, Washington. Go to the Big 10 they'll be playing tOSU, Wisconsin, go to the ACC they'll be playing Clemson. There's no fucking difference than what was the old Big 12. NONE!!!

The PAC 12, Big 10, ACC, and Orphan 8 will wait out TX/OU cutting their GOR checks (most likely early 2022) before the official division of the Orphan 7/8 is announced.
All parties not OU/TX/SEC would be idiots to commit to anything official on paper at this point. Let everyone leave with a $50+ million payday first.

i'm thinking Kansas St is going to the the odd one out in these scenarios. If the PAC expands by just two it will be Tech and osu. If they decide to go really big by adding four, I could see TCU/Baylor also going.

 

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i'm thinking Kansas St is going to the the odd one out in these scenarios. If the PAC expands by just two it will be Tech and osu. If they decide to go really big by adding four, I could see TCU/Baylor also going.

I admit I'm biased to K. State from the old Big 8 days.

K State/Colorado would make for some decent viewing (for me).

If I were PAC I wouldn't want to be too heavy Texas. They do have 3 from Cali though.

 

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I do think everyone goes to 16 in this round.

That would be the next step to what many seem to think is an eventual split from the NCAA.

 

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I also think the 'Alliance' is an agreement not to poach each other.

i.e. Colorado will not be going Big 10.

 

[Deep Creek]

i'm thinking Kansas St is going to the the odd one out in these scenarios. If the PAC expands by just two it will be Tech and osu. If they decide to go really big by adding four, I could see TCU/Baylor also going.

None of them bring the money with them so that can't be the determining factor for a conference adding any of them. If one buys into the AAU status as making a school academically attractive, only Kansas and Iowa State bring that with them. If quality football is the determining factor, TCU and OSU bring that more than the others...while not nationally strong. If an overall athletic program is the determining factor, Tech and Baylor are the best in that category.

That's my worth.

 

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None of them bring the money with them so that can't be the determining factor for a conference adding any of them. If one buys into the AAU status as making a school academically attractive, only Kansas and Iowa State bring that with them. If quality football is the determining factor, TCU and OSU bring that more than the others...while not nationally strong. If an overall athletic program is the determining factor, Tech and Baylor are the best in that category.

That's my worth.

My question though is..... How can the orphans be considered a "P5 Grind" for TX/OU when in BCS and Play-Off consideration, but no longer 'grind worthy' without TX/OU?

"Naw, you're just G5 level competition now"

Would they NOT be "P5 Grind" in the PAC, Big 10, and ACC?

 

[Volbound1700]

I am banking on a majority of them going to the American or MWC. I don't think many of the remaining Big12 schools bring much to the table.

The only options that I can see are:

1. West Virginia to ACC if they can find a friend. Still I think ACC is likely to snub them for "Academic" reasons.
2. Pac12 grabbing 2-4 teams. Likely options are Kansas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Iowa State\Kansas State
3. B1G maybe grabbing Iowa State and Kansas
4. Another B1G scenario that no one is considering is Kansas and Missouri going to B1G; SEC then would have to grab a team. I think SEC might grab Oklahoma State in that scenario or try for an ACC school such as FSU or Clemson. If the SEC grabs an Eastern team, that likely kills the East-West Division scenario that I have posted in the past.

I think of the four options, #2 is by far the most likely. I have a hard time seeing any of the others transpiring. It would not be a surprise to see all of the remaining Big12 teams end up falling to G5 status.

 

[Volbound1700]

My question though is..... How can the orphans be considered a "P5 Grind" for TX/OU when in BCS and Play-Off consideration, but no longer 'grind worthy' without TX/OU?

"Naw, you're just G5 level competition now"

Would they NOT be "P5 Grind" in the PAC, Big 10, and ACC?

Great points. I don't necessarily disagree but I present the following counter-arguments:

1. They would not be P5 grind once they stop getting their current paychecks because they would not be able to afford P5 level coaches and facilities

2. OU fans, especially, have been critical of the current Big12 schedule as not being on part, difficulty wise, as other leagues

I will say one thing about current Big12, once you get past OU and Texas, you don't have the road environments with 80-100k fans screaming at you like you see in the B1G and SEC. In the past, teams have struggled playing in Neyland Stadium, for example, when they were not used to it. 2006 Cal was a great example. That team was probably better than their performance at Neyland and more on par with Tennessee but the road atmosphere got to them. I am not sure that is universal though and sometimes road teams actually thrive and play better in hostile atmospheres depending on the players.

All of this is just speculation and you make solid points that, right now, some of these teams like Iowa State, TCU, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State are competitive from a P5 perspective.

 

[Red_Alert]

I am banking on a majority of them going to the American or MWC. I don't think many of the remaining Big12 schools bring much to the table.

The only options that I can see are:

1. West Virginia to ACC if they can find a friend. Still I think ACC is likely to snub them for "Academic" reasons.
2. Pac12 grabbing 2-4 teams. Likely options are Kansas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Iowa State\Kansas State
3. B1G maybe grabbing Iowa State and Kansas
4. Another B1G scenario that no one is considering is Kansas and Missouri going to B1G; SEC then would have to grab a team. I think SEC might grab Oklahoma State in that scenario or try for an ACC school such as FSU or Clemson. If the SEC grabs an Eastern team, that likely kills the East-West Division scenario that I have posted in the past.

I think of the four options, #2 is by far the most likely. I have a hard time seeing any of the others transpiring. It would not be a surprise to see all of the remaining Big12 teams end up falling to G5 status.

So if an orphan goes to the PAC, Big 10, or ACC they'll suddenly be viewed as G5 competition?

 

[Red_Alert]

Great points. I don't necessarily disagree but I present the following counter-arguments:

1. They would not be P5 grind once they stop getting their current paychecks because they would not be able to afford P5 level coaches and facilities

2. OU fans, especially, have been critical of the current Big12 schedule as not being on part, difficulty wise, as other leagues

I will say one thing about current Big12, once you get past OU and Texas, you don't have the road environments with 80-100k fans screaming at you like you see in the B1G and SEC. In the past, teams have struggled playing in Neyland Stadium, for example, when they were not used to it. 2006 Cal was a great example. That team was probably better than their performance at Neyland and more on par with Tennessee but the road atmosphere got to them. I am not sure that is universal though and sometimes road teams actually thrive and play better in hostile atmospheres depending on the players.

All of this is just speculation and you make solid points that, right now, some of these teams like Iowa State, TCU, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State are competitive from a P5 perspective.

I refer to them being gobbled up by the PAC, Big 10, and ACC.

I thought I'd made that clear from the onset.

 

[Volbound1700]

So if an orphan goes to the PAC, Big 10, or ACC they'll suddenly be viewed as G5 competition?

Not really but there are G5 teams that would be competitive in other leagues as well such as Boise State, Cincinnati, and UCF.

Granted, I don't see any of the remaining 8 competing for a Conference Championship or Playoff appearance. The exception might be the Pac12 which has been down for 5-6 years. Pac12 is the brunt of a lot of jokes at the moment but I am not sure that trend continues. It just takes the right coaching and recruiting to get back to respectability. Oregon looks like they are on the rise.

 

[Volbound1700]

I will also say this about Big12 reputation. The Kansas State and Iowa State losses to Sunbelt teams last year did not do the league any favors.

College Football Scores Week 2, Big 12 Conference 2020 Regular Season - ESPN

Live scores for week 2 of the Big 12 Conference 2020 NCAAF Regular Season on ESPN. Includes box scores, video highlights, play breakdowns and updated odds.

www.espn.com

 

[Deep Creek]

My question though is..... How can the orphans be considered a "P5 Grind" for TX/OU when in BCS and Play-Off consideration, but no longer 'grind worthy' without TX/OU?

"Naw, you're just G5 level competition now"

Would they NOT be "P5 Grind" in the PAC, Big 10, and ACC?

Good question. All of the sudden those teams are now "unworthy" but they were "worthy" when Texas and OU were playing them.

 

[Red_Alert]

Not really but there are G5 teams that would be competitive in other leagues as well such as Boise State, Cincinnati, and UCF.

Granted, I don't see any of the remaining 8 competing for a Conference Championship or Playoff appearance. The exception might be the Pac12 which has been down for 5-6 years. Pac12 is the brunt of a lot of jokes at the moment but I am not sure that trend continues. It just takes the right coaching and recruiting to get back to respectability. Oregon looks like they are on the rise.

That I can agree with. However, those teams would still be viewed as G5 competition for the first few years. Similar to when TCU and Utah made the jump.

The orphans already have P5 status in the eyes of college football fans. Not top tier or even 2nd tier, but P5 none-the-less.
The transitions to PAC, Big 10, ACC would be de minimis in the eyes of the average viewer.