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Thiefery said:
Not bad but I have no faith in the leadership of Bowlsby and the independent School Presidents actually sticking together to make something like this actually happen.

But perhaps the schools bringing in Oliver Luck is a sign that they are trying to salvage what they can.
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What options do they have? It doesn't appear that offers are coming there way.

The best move is to figure out what 4 schools bring you the most value.
 
outofyourmind said:
Or 6 schools
Quantity over Quality

It might work
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Adding 6 could work because there are some schools of value out there. Hard to imagine them adding 6 without adding Houston or SMU, however.

UCF
Cincy
Memphis
BYU
Boise State
Houston
SMU

Those appear to be the best options right now.

2nd tier options include:
San Diego State
Colorado State
UNLV
Utah State
USF
ECU
 
duckboy33 said:
What options do they have? It doesn't appear that offers are coming there way.

The best move is to figure out what 4 schools bring you the most value.
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They will continue to sell themselves to the highest bidder.. so even if the MWC gives certain guarantees to a school like Tech or TCU or osu.. Those presidents will jump on those if better than what they have now. It's about long term, and if anything Bowlsby has always been, is way too late making changes just like Beebe was.

From realignment rumors, seems Tech is the key here because they have been the ones talking to Baylor and TCU about sticking together. Now could they just be saying that in case there is no parachute to the PAC/ACC? Maybe..guess time will tell
 
duckboy33 said:
Adding 6 could work because there are some schools of value out there. Hard to imagine them adding 6 without adding Houston or SMU, however.

UCF
Cincy
Memphis
BYU
Boise State
Houston
SMU

Those appear to be the best options right now.

2nd tier options include:
San Diego State
Colorado State
UNLV
Utah State
USF
ECU
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I actually think SMU would be a solid choice..I know TCU and the hundred or so fans hate that, but it is what it is. SMU represents DFW more than TCU does.. Plus they can actually put points on the boards, an exciting brand
 
OlyDuck said:
memphis brings near equal football and better basketball
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Basketball doesn't really matter when it comes to this although I'd agree Memphis is better.

For Football over the last 10 years:

10 win seasons:

UCF - 5
Memphis - 3

NY6 Bowl Wins:

UCF - 2
Memphis - 0

Not to mention that UCF has better facilities and a better commitment to winning in football. UCF is clearly the better option IMO. That said, it would be a smart move for the Big 12 to grab both.
 
Thiefery said:
I actually think SMU would be a solid choice..I know TCU and the hundred or so fans hate that, but it is what it is. SMU represents DFW more than TCU does.. Plus they can actually put points on the boards, an exciting brand
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The combination of Dykes on offense and Leavitt as the DC intrigues me. They could be a sleeper moving forward.
 
duckboy33 said:
Basketball doesn't really matter when it comes to this although I'd agree Memphis is better.

For Football over the last 10 years:

10 win seasons:

UCF - 5
Memphis - 3

NY6 Bowl Wins:

UCF - 2
Memphis - 0

Not to mention that UCF has better facilities and a better commitment to winning in football. UCF is clearly the better option IMO. That said, it would be a smart move for the Big 12 to grab both.
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Yeah, UCF has far more potential for success because they have one of the largest student enrollments and they are in a recruiting hot-bed. Florida, FSU, and Miami can come in and scoop up talent in the area but there is still enough talent to go around for UCF.

Memphis is a decent recruiting bed but once Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, and Tennessee pick the area, there isn't near as much left over for Memphis like you have in the UCF scenario.
 
duckboy33 said:
The combination of Dykes on offense and Leavitt as the DC intrigues me. They could be a sleeper moving forward.
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I thought they would take a little back step after losing Ashley but.. i was foolishly wrong. I just want Sark to poach back Rashard Samples.. he is a recruiting WITCH for them.. He landed a 5 star WR this class.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Yeah, UCF has far more potential for success because they have one of the largest student enrollments and they are in a recruiting hot-bed. Florida, FSU, and Miami can come in and scoop up talent in the area but there is still enough talent to go around for UCF.

Memphis is a decent recruiting bed but once Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, and Tennessee pick the area, there isn't near as much left over for Memphis like you have in the UCF scenario.
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Arkansas fans are riled up about the latest moves because they feel they can now target the players that were signing to osu, tcu,bu.. they never talk great about the kids in Arkansas or surrounding areas outside TX and LA
 
Thiefery said:
Arkansas fans are riled up about the latest moves because they feel they can now target the players that were signing to osu, tcu,bu.. they never talk great about the kids in Arkansas or surrounding areas outside TX and LA
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Arkansas doesn't have the recruits you see in other SEC states (they do produce a few great players every year but not enough to populate a full team). Arkansas (like Tennessee) has to rely a lot on outside recruiting. Memphis is one of their recruiting beds along with Northern Louisiana and Texas.

If Arkansas can get the right coach (like most teams), they can be a major threat. Look at them with Bobby Petrino or even some of Houston Nutt's early teams.
 
Funny video about the Alliance:

 
outofyourmind said:
1 hour and 39 minutes.

Are you serious
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They made a loose reference to something of interesting.

What if the B1G-Pac12 move the Rose Bowl up prior to playoffs and make it a Championship type game that could benefit both leagues.

Also, I disagree with comments that the low tier games won't drive revenue. Even matchups like Indiana vs. Wash State or Arizona vs. Iowa would still drive more eyeballs then Arizona vs. Kent State or Indiana vs. Akron. Also sometimes these low tier matchups could surprise and get a lot of viewership. Take Indiana last year who ended up being far better than expectations. If Indiana and Wash. State are both in the top 20, the game could get a lot of eyeballs.

The one $$$ issue to keep in mind though is that teams surrender home games. That means surrendering ticket sales, concession sales, etc. That is a lot of $$$ loss. This is the reason the Kent States of the world are on people's schedule in the first place. It is a guaranteed home game without a return visit.
 
Volbound1700 said:
They made a loose reference to something of interesting.

What if the B1G-Pac12 move the Rose Bowl up prior to playoffs and make it a Championship type game that could benefit both leagues.

Also, I disagree with comments that the low tier games won't drive revenue. Even matchups like Indiana vs. Wash State or Arizona vs. Iowa would still drive more eyeballs then Arizona vs. Kent State or Indiana vs. Akron. Also sometimes these low tier matchups could surprise and get a lot of viewership. Take Indiana last year who ended up being far better than expectations. If Indiana and Wash. State are both in the top 20, the game could get a lot of eyeballs.

The one $$$ issue to keep in mind though is that teams surrender home games. That means surrendering ticket sales, concession sales, etc. That is a lot of $$$ loss. This is the reason the Kent States of the world are on people's schedule in the first place. It is a guaranteed home game without a return visit.
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I think the idea is that the Big Ten and PAC will go back to 8 conference games. Then they can replace the former conference game with an alliance game. I don't think the home game cupcakes are going away (Although I wouldn't mind if they did)
 
Volbound1700 said:
They made a loose reference to something of interesting.

What if the B1G-Pac12 move the Rose Bowl up prior to playoffs and make it a Championship type game that could benefit both leagues.

Also, I disagree with comments that the low tier games won't drive revenue. Even matchups like Indiana vs. Wash State or Arizona vs. Iowa would still drive more eyeballs then Arizona vs. Kent State or Indiana vs. Akron. Also sometimes these low tier matchups could surprise and get a lot of viewership. Take Indiana last year who ended up being far better than expectations. If Indiana and Wash. State are both in the top 20, the game could get a lot of eyeballs.

The one $$$ issue to keep in mind though is that teams surrender home games. That means surrendering ticket sales, concession sales, etc. That is a lot of $$$ loss. This is the reason the Kent States of the world are on people's schedule in the first place. It is a guaranteed home game without a return visit.
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Those games also basically fund the Kent State's of the world whole athletic department with the money they get for taking a beating.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Those games also basically fund the Kent State's of the world whole athletic department with the money they get for taking a beating.
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Very true statement and it definitely hurts the schools. I am not sure it is a 100% required law but there is political pressure from what I have heard on Clemson and South Carolina to play one in-state school each year. This is why you see Citadel, SC State, Furman, etc. on their schedule.

It is also rumored that LSU has a similar requirement with their in-state schools and they have one in-state school a year on their OOC schedule as well.
 
The alliance also made mention of existing contracts and said they arent looking to get out of any. they want to honor all existing contracts and agreements
 
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