Thee PAC 12, Big 10, and ACC (Alliance) are Dividing Up tOrphaned 8 As We Plorst.

duckboy33 said:
Conference expansion (from the P4) isn’t happening this decade. The ACC is the next Domino
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I don’t see the ACC folding and right now they are in better shape than the PAC. The PAC is USC going independent away from a serious problem.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I don’t see the ACC folding and right now they are in better shape than the PAC. The PAC is USC going independent away from a serious problem.
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ACC is one Dabo away from not having a team in the playoff since FSU got worked over in 14
 
Wild Turkey said:
I don’t see the ACC folding and right now they are in better shape than the PAC. The PAC is USC going independent away from a serious problem.
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I disagree for one major reason. I think the Pac12 schools are more cultural align than the ACC.

I think there are two major camps in the ACC that are not together.

Camp 1: UNC-led group. They tend to be more like the B1G in that they are obsessed with being Woke, AAU focused, and snotty academics.

Camp 2: Clemson/FSU-led group. This group is more practical and wants to actually improve the league with regard to quality of product on the field.

A classic example is how they would approach West Virginia. Camp 2 would bring in WVU while Camp 1 would consider them "inferior." I think the two groups are not aligned. Camp 2 probably hates the Alliance or would prefer siding with SEC while Camp 1 backs the Alliance.

Ultimately, schools like Clemson and FSU will eventually get tired of UNC and want to leave.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I could live with that. The only reason that I want 12 is that there is more of a likelihood that smaller team from a non-power 5 makes it. Even with 8-teams, there might be excuses to keep them out.

I don't like it when you see teams that didn't win their conference win a National Title (like Alabama in 2011 or 2017).
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With top 5 conference champs getting a bid, a non-power conference will make it every time (BigXII isn't going to be a Power conference).
 
Kansas is a huge get for hoops at least
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
With top 5 conference champs getting a bid, a non-power conference will make it every time (BigXII isn't going to be a Power conference).
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Which is the reason why I thought the 12 school model would have been good overall. You can still have a team from the new Big12 represent, along with a UCF or Cincinnati if they stay AAC.

Now them deciding not to expand the CFP, makes it clear a UCF/UH/Cincinnati type of school on a hot run will have no chance..

Same with Iowa St in a new Big12
 
Thiefery said:
Which is the reason why I thought the 12 school model would have been good overall. You can still have a team from the new Big12 represent, along with a UCF or Cincinnati if they stay AAC.

Now them deciding not to expand the CFP, makes it clear a UCF/UH/Cincinnati type of school on a hot run will have no chance..

Same with Iowa St in a new Big12
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If you still take 5 conference champs, why would they have no chance?
 
Wild Turkey said:
I don’t see the ACC folding and right now they are in better shape than the PAC. The PAC is USC going independent away from a serious problem.
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2 NFL teams are in LA and USC hasn’t been relevant nationally consistently. They would struggle to be a successful independent due to geography. ACC is the next domino, if expansion happens. They can’t renegotiate their deal for a long time and they’re close to Big Ten and SEC country
 
outofyourmind said:
Without Oklahoma/Texas, the orphaned 8 will have 1 or 2 more wins a year.
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Last Year, Oklahoma (Kansas State and @ Iowa State) and Texas (TCU and Iowa State) BOTH lost two games to the remaining Big Xii teams. So, maybe OU and Texas will be able to win a game or two more each year too.

:)
 
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If the Big12 can add the right teams such as BYU, Boise, UCF, and Cincinnati, I think they might be relevant enough to stay alive in a 12-team playoff scenario. I doubt they do that though in an 8-team playoff.
 
OlyDuck said:
If playoff expansion happens and does what was proposed at 6 highest ranked champions then the essentially keep a seat at the table. Even if they decide to go to 5 they are likely to still have good chance at it
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I get that but I meant When OU/TX leave and the orphan 8 add 2 or 4 or 6+ (God no) while no playoff expansion happens before 2026, it’s very hard to see the B12 keeping a seat at the Power table.
 
Volbound1700 said:
They may give them a "seat" at the table that is highly scrutinized based on history of the league. However, it is clear they will be in a different tier than the others.

With the way things are turning out, it makes sense for Big12 teams to stay together, take buy-out money, and try to add some of the stronger G5 programs like UCF, Boise State, BYU, etc.
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Im not sure at the moment (when TX/OU leave) that they’ll be considered P5 or have an equal opportunity at making the playoff with only 4 spots. Which is exactly what a power conference is.

I do agree us orphans need to stick together and add minimally from the best G5’s. 2 I think is the best option but 4 could work. Anything over that is watering the league down.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Im not sure at the moment (when TX/OU leave) that they’ll be considered P5 or have an equal opportunity at making the playoff with only 4 spots. Which is exactly what a power conference is.

I do agree us orphans need to stick together and add minimally from the best G5’s. 2 I think is the best option but 4 could work. Anything over that is watering the league down.
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That's why I think the 'Alliance' will move quickly to the expanded playoff.
If they don't then it was all bullshit and the remaining Big 8 schools get fucked because of it.
 
outofyourmind said:
That's why I think the 'Alliance' will move quickly to the expanded playoff.
If they don't then it was all bullshit and the remaining Big 8 schools get fucked because of it.
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But that’s not going to happen until 2026? What happens til then?
 
outofyourmind said:
Oh, sorry, I still think it's happening sooner, maybe next year.
Pipe Dream probably
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I honestly hope it does but I feel this alliance was a shot at ESPN and they ain’t letting them have full coverage and control of a 12 team playoff of it unless they pay bank. They have that until 2026 which is exactly why I think it won’t expand and am wondering what the B12 is considered between then.
 
outofyourmind said:
I don't think it will be good
Who you going to play if OU and Texas bolt.

Sure, get some money, but you can't stand still.
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Yeah I don’t see it being a power conference. We’ll definitely have to add. I’m for 2 but not against 4. Anything over that devalues the league IMO.

My preference: BYU and Cincy and if you must add 2 more Boise and UCF. Have an east and west division if you go to 12, continue to play a 9 game conference schedule (5 in your division and 4 in the other) and 3 OOC with a conference champ game. Ohh and pray to fucking God showings result in wins in the Big Bowls the few teams that make it are in. (It’s what the BE did when we were there)
 
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