Frost is coming back in ‘22

Thiefery said:
so theoretically the '22 season could be his last. $7.5 mil looks much better to the board than $15. Wonder how his new staff hires contracts look like. 2 year deals, 3?
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It was $25 million if fired before Jan 1st. $20 million after.
$15 million would have been after Jan 2023.

That was the Trev Alberts sell to calm the Donors/Boosters, fans, and media waters.

As 'close' as they appear to winning some bigger games, I think Trev did a good job giving him one last opportunity and making things far less economically painful if Frost can't get up the hill.

$7.5 million is chump change.
 
Has there been scenarios that a staff shakeup of this size works out for the HC? Mack had a shakeup, so did Chuck and Tom and it didn't help them at all. In fact they were all fired the following season
 
Thiefery said:
Has there been scenarios that a staff shakeup of this size works out for the HC? Mack had a shakeup, so did Chuck and Tom and it didn't help them at all. In fact they were all fired the following season
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This was my post on the Big 10 board 2 days ago.


Red_Alert said:
A thorough replacing of assistants is typically the writing on the wall anyway. It's the last great act of defiance.

That's because the HC himself is not detail orientated. If you put new people under him you just get the same result. You're only delaying the inevitable.
It's that way in all positions of leadership, whether it be leading Hewlett Packard or a football team.
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Thiefery said:
Has there been scenarios that a staff shakeup of this size works out for the HC? Mack had a shakeup, so did Chuck and Tom and it didn't help them at all. In fact they were all fired the following season
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No they typically do not work. But it gives the Admin justification for the later firing or the ahem, "we are heading in a different direction".
Frost is local boy coming home so there will be people butthurt when he gets canned. The admin can say we tried every available option to give him a chance.
 
Remember when Brian Kelly was about to be fired at ND and then he cleaned house with his assistants and pretty well saved his job?

Frost needs to make a lot of upgrades with his assistant coaches and hire a dedicated special teams coach, that shit really does matter.

Mullen needs to do the same thing, firing Grantham was long overdue, but a good start
 
Red_Alert said:
This was my post on the Big 10 board 2 days ago.
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I can't honestly think of one time where it has worked. Tuberville tried it with coordinators over and over and the same with Malzahn. The problem was that neither could evolve as a HC and that is Saban's greatest strength. Saban literally does not care what offense or defense he runs, he cares about the results and his process to get those results. Some of these HC's are way too loyal and assistants become friends rather than employees.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I can't honestly think of one time where it has worked. Tuberville tried it with coordinators over and over and the same with Malzahn. The problem was that neither could evolve as a HC and that is Saban's greatest strength. Saban literally does not care what offense or defense he runs, he cares about the results and his process to get those results. Some of these HC's are way too loyal and assistants become friends rather than employees.
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Yup.

The vast majority of the time when you have two teams of similar talent, physique, etc. it's the details that win those football games.

We keep hearing over and over again "Nebraska is close", "They find a different way to lose". It's because of details.

Penalties, turnovers, blocked FG's, missed FG's, shanked punts, lack of kick return game, safeties, play calling.
The list of detail orientated losses is endless.

You can't place the blame on players or assistants, it's the HC that is not detail orientated.
 
Personally I'm glad that Alberts ended the suspense early one way or the other.

I don't think anybody (boosters/donors, fans, media) wanted to wait 3 more weeks 'til after the Iowa game to find out what was going to happen.

It's mainly economics and I'm fine with that.
 
outofyourmind said:
And he doesn't look to be getting any better at it either.
That's the problem.
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The most glaring support of your statement is the years of poor special teams play. If the fans and media have been crowing about it for 3 years then why hasn't Frost seen it as an important issue to get fixed? Special teams have been Groundhog Day week after week yet not addressed.
My biggest admiration of Bill Snyder was his special teams play. They won a lot of football games with just that part of the game.
 
Thiefery said:
Has there been scenarios that a staff shakeup of this size works out for the HC? Mack had a shakeup, so did Chuck and Tom and it didn't help them at all. In fact they were all fired the following season
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jim harbaugh is 8-1 this year.. if they beat tOSU
 
Red_Alert said:
The most glaring support of your statement is the years of poor special teams play. If the fans and media have been crowing about it for 3 years then why hasn't Frost seen it as an important issue to get fixed? Special teams have been Groundhog Day week after week yet not addressed.
My biggest admiration of Bill Snyder was his special teams play. They won a lot of football games with just that part of the game.
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yep, Snyder and Frank Beamer are the two sparkling examples of coaches who absolutely demanded a high standard of play when it came to special teams, for YEARS. huge part of their legacies
 
ojb81 said:
yep, Snyder and Frank Beamer are the two sparkling examples of coaches who absolutely demanded a high standard of play when it came to special teams, for YEARS. huge part of their legacies
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They did 'more with less' and special teams played a huge roll in that.
 
We Are Decent said:
Awwwwww you're still triggered by that?

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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You don't see me running around "bahahahahahahaha" at Bret Bielema who's (1-0) against Frost at Illinois.

Oh wait. Bielema is also (1-0) against James Franklin at Illinois.

"bahahahahaha"?
 
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