Frost is coming back in ‘22

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Yup.

The vast majority of the time when you have two teams of similar talent, physique, etc. it's the details that win those football games.

We keep hearing over and over again "Nebraska is close", "They find a different way to lose". It's because of details.

Penalties, turnovers, blocked FG's, missed FG's, shanked punts, lack of kick return game, safeties, play calling.
The list of detail orientated losses is endless.

You can't place the blame on players or assistants, it's the HC that is not detail orientated.

I can already tell you what the next excuse is going to be for Nebraska fans who refuse to believe Scott Frost isn't the problem. (UM went thru this type of scenario already to a lesser extent)

Now that he is replacing so much of his coaching staff -- the excuse will be first, it will take time for the players to learn the new scheme, the new coaches, etc. The next excuse will be, Frost needs time to bring in recruits to fit the new schemes.

UM fans have been using these excuses for almost 7 years.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I can already tell you what the next excuse is going to be for Nebraska fans who refuse to believe Scott Frost isn't the problem. (UM went thru this type of scenario already to a lesser extent)

Now that he is replacing so much of his coaching staff -- the excuse will be first, it will take time for the players to learn the new scheme, the new coaches, etc. The next excuse will be, Frost needs time to bring in recruits to fit the new schemes.

UM fans have been using these excuses for almost 7 years.

@Red_Alert is correct when he says this is a financial decision in that is exactly what it appears to be for the moment.

I curious when the new agreed upon terms come out how much the buyout was reduced because I think that is what is goin on. They let Frost bet on himself and the administration will win either way eventually. Auburn tried this with Malzahn and he said no and made 20 million going out the door.

It’s not crazy to think Frost turns things around but the odds are against him.

 

[Red_Alert]

I can already tell you what the next excuse is going to be for Nebraska fans who refuse to believe Scott Frost isn't the problem. (UM went thru this type of scenario already to a lesser extent)

Now that he is replacing so much of his coaching staff -- the excuse will be first, it will take time for the players to learn the new scheme, the new coaches, etc. The next excuse will be, Frost needs time to bring in recruits to fit the new schemes.

UM fans have been using these excuses for almost 7 years.

Yup. Hence me predicting in the 'Hot Seat' thread that Frost would last until December 2023.

 

[Red_Alert]

@Red_Alert is correct when he says this is a financial decision in that is exactly what it appears to be for the moment.

I curious when the new agreed upon terms come out how much the buyout was reduced because I think that is what is goin on. They let Frost bet on himself and the administration will win either way eventually. Auburn tried this with Malzahn and he said no and made 20 million going out the door.

It’s not crazy to think Frost turns things around but the odds are against him.

Buyout was $25 million this year.
Would have dropped to $20 million on Jan 1, 2022

It is restructured to $7.5 million.

I imagine it took that to get the Boosters on-board with retention. LOL

 

[Wild Turkey]

Buyout was $25 million this year.
Would have dropped to $20 million on Jan 1, 2022

It is restructured to $7.5 million.

I imagine it took that to get the Boosters on-board with retention. LOL

Not a bad deal really and it’s like kissing your sister because no one is pissed and no one overjoyed. If you don’t improve next year then no one can complain.

 

[Red_Alert]

Not a bad deal really and it’s like kissing your sister because no one is pissed and no one overjoyed. If you don’t improve next year then no one can complain.

I think it appeased the majority. I'm fine with it as I'd forever disliked Frost for walking away with $20 million in cash and setting the university back economically yet again, for accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Unless they were to find another Bob Devaney, starting over with a new HC and staff next season would likely yield a similar result to Frost returning.

The University and Boosters would just be $20 million poorer. LOL

I do feel like they're just kicking the can down the road and Frost will eventually be written a check for $7.5 million.
A drop in the bucket.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Yup. Hence me predicting in the 'Hot Seat' thread that Frost would last until December 2023.

It is a vicious circle. UM has been dealing with it, with Harbaugh. The coaching staff changes, the contract restructuring, the wait til the players are all his recruits, etc. etc.

What is crazy -- watch him win 8 games and listen to the fans talking how successful he is and he just needs time. It is as if fans think this is the NFL and players are on the team for 10 years or something, not realizing, really good players are gone in 3 and the cycle repeats itself.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I think it appeased the majority. I'm fine with it as I'd forever disliked Frost for walking away with $20 million in cash for accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Unless they were to find another Bob Devaney, starting over with a new HC and staff next season would likely yield a similar result to Frost returning.

The University and Boosters would just be $20 million poorer. LOL

I do feel like they're just kicking the can down the road and Frost will eventually be written a check for $7.5 million.
A drop in the bucket.

The problem with that is -- each year you allowed it to continue, it is another year down the road for the rebuild, as a new coach will bring in a new staff and will want "his recruits" to run "his scheme" and it is just rinse and repeat.

 

[Red_Alert]

The problem with that is -- each year you allowed it to continue, it is another year down the road for the rebuild, as a new coach will bring in a new staff and will want "his recruits" to run "his scheme" and it is just rinse and repeat.

I view it from purely an economic standpoint.

I've grown accustomed to not winning division/conference championships and not going to bowls. Another season of it is just that, but the university saves $12.5 million if they have to cut ties eventually.

Also the USC and LSU jobs are open. Any new coach outside of a Saban, Urbs, or Dabo is a gamble anyway. The pile of failed G5 coaches and P5 coordinator carcasses is deep.

If they'd fired Frost, we'd never know how close he actually was. There will always be some fans saying "But he was so close".
Now there will be no doubt now how close or far away he actually is.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I view it from purely an economic standpoint.

I've grown accustomed to not winning division/conference championships and not going to bowls. Another season of it is just that, but the university saves $12.5 million if they have to cut ties eventually.

Also the USC and LSU jobs are open. Any new coach outside of a Saban, Urbs, or Dabo is a gamble anyway. The pile of failed G5 coaches and P5 coordinator carcasses is deep.

If they'd fired Frost, we'd never know how close he actually was. There will always be some fans saying "But he was so close".
Now there will be no doubt now how close or far away he actually is.

Yeah -- i take the economics out, as these schools are essentially printing money. Michigan has like a $6 billion dollar endowment fund. Nebraska's is like $1.5 billion. Money means little to them. The restructuring is just to appease fans and alumni.

The whole, he needs year 5 or year 6 is ridiculous in college football, as the roster is all his recruits now with the exception of players he allowed to stay an extra year. UM fans are using this excuse now for Harbaugh and saying he is trying to build a culture in the program. If you haven't done it in the first few years -- it isn't happening.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

When the '8 seniors' consists of many of the guys who pop off the screen for Nebraska, like Toure, Domann, both safeties. Talking about results from this year and how next year you could beat teams is what is silly.

Hmm.... nah, I think what you said is sillier lol. Obviously we can't afford for the defense to take a big step back, but I am not worried about that right now as it won't matter if the offense and special teams doesn't figure it out.

You could have 200 freshman, but it is about quality, not quantity. Will you have a WR to replace Toure and give you 20+ yards per catch? Will you find ball hawking safeties to replace Williams or a stud all around LB who can drop in coverage to replace Domann.

None of the freshman you are talking about were major contributors.

If there is any position group I am not worried about.... or least worried about, it is the WRs. We are probably more stacked than at any point in our history when it comes to WR talent. But none of that will matter if we can't get them the ball. That is part of Martinez's problem, one of his many, he locks in on certain receivers... namely Toure this year... and gotta wish that kid the best, Toure is solid.

Losing Domann is definitely going to hurt, dude is a stud too. Not worried about losing any DBs. There may be a drop, there may not be... I just don't know, no one does. What I do know is that I have not been impressed with the DBs this year.... or any recent year for that matter.

 

[iowajerms]

I wonder what happens if he wins 6 games?

 

[outofyourmind]

They don't want to give up on Frost too soon.

 

[Rolltide94]

I view it from purely an economic standpoint.

I've grown accustomed to not winning division/conference championships and not going to bowls. Another season of it is just that, but the university saves $12.5 million if they have to cut ties eventually.

Also the USC and LSU jobs are open. Any new coach outside of a Saban, Urbs, or Dabo is a gamble anyway. The pile of failed G5 coaches and P5 coordinator carcasses is deep.

If they'd fired Frost, we'd never know how close he actually was. There will always be some fans saying "But he was so close".
Now there will be no doubt now how close or far away he actually is.

Yup, better to gamble of one of your own. If Frost pulls this off everybody is happy. I just wish some of those close games had bounced the other way. It is a lot easier to build the recruiting with results headed in the right direction. I hope he does it, but I've been hoping that for a while now.

 

[Handicappers]

Close games only “bounce the other way “ when the coach can coach up his players and assistants. NU is content with being lords of suckdom

 

[psaboy]

so theoretically the '22 season could be his last. $7.5 mil looks much better to the board than $15. Wonder how his new staff hires contracts look like. 2 year deals, 3?

Could be. The D will be an issue next year. I think they lose a lot of depth. I could see a lot of 40+ points against games, he may not make it to end of season.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Hmm.... nah, I think what you said is sillier lol. Obviously we can't afford for the defense to take a big step back, but I am not worried about that right now as it won't matter if the offense and special teams doesn't figure it out.

If there is any position group I am not worried about.... or least worried about, it is the WRs. We are probably more stacked than at any point in our history when it comes to WR talent. But none of that will matter if we can't get them the ball. That is part of Martinez's problem, one of his many, he locks in on certain receivers... namely Toure this year... and gotta wish that kid the best, Toure is solid.

Losing Domann is definitely going to hurt, dude is a stud too. Not worried about losing any DBs. There may be a drop, there may not be... I just don't know, no one does. What I do know is that I have not been impressed with the DBs this year.... or any recent year for that matter.

The defense taking a big step back is what you should worry about. Losing Domann, who is all over the field for Nebraska will hurt. And losing both safeties will really hurt too. If the defense takes a step back, you already know what you are getting from the offense -- it isn't as if in year 28 at QB for Martinez , he is going to win the Heisman. He will make plays with his legs, he will make occasional plays with his arm, but will have untimely turnovers. He hasn't changed since he has been the QB.
Toure is the one that will hurt. He averaged 6-7 yards per reception more than any player on Nebraska's roster and has almost as many yards as the next 3 WR's combined.

 

[We Are Decent]

You don't see me running around "bahahahahahahaha" at Bret Bielema who's (1-0) against Frost at Illinois.

Oh wait. Bielema is also (1-0) against James Franklin at Illinois.

"bahahahahaha"?

Yep, 19 point victory to 8 point defeat in 4 years! Bahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Skerpokes]

I wonder what happens if he wins 6 games?

Probably hang a Liberty Bowl Banner like Iowa

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

The defense taking a big step back is what you should worry about. Losing Domann, who is all over the field for Nebraska will hurt. And losing both safeties will really hurt too. If the defense takes a step back, you already know what you are getting from the offense -- it isn't as if in year 28 at QB for Martinez , he is going to win the Heisman. He will make plays with his legs, he will make occasional plays with his arm, but will have untimely turnovers. He hasn't changed since he has been the QB.
Toure is the one that will hurt. He averaged 6-7 yards per reception more than any player on Nebraska's roster and has almost as many yards as the next 3 WR's combined.

The defense isn't going to take a "big step back" from one player. Also, maybe to you the safeties have done well, but they've only been ok in my eyes. Williams INTs this year have been pretty much given to him from bad throws. The most impressive players aside from Domann on defense this year, have in my opinion, come from the D-line.

Also, the offense is bad at scoring, not at moving the ball. As shown in the Nebraska by the numbers thread, Nebraska is #5 in the country in net yards per play. The problem is Martinez decision making and redzone play. I am even hesitant to bring up turnovers, sure he has 4 INTs against Purdue, but given the season, that is clearly an anomally. He only had 3 INTs throughout the whole season to that point. But yes, his fumble against Michigan was untimely, though I and I think most believe his forward progress had stopped given he hadn't moved in like 3 seconds of game clock.... but you have to play until the whistle.

Back to Toure? Dude, Toure wasn't here last year, last year it was Robinson. My point is that Martinez gets locked in on receivers. This year has been Toure, I already said that. So it goes without saying that of course Toure will have the most yards, most receptions, etc... this is a dumb point. Next year, if Martinez comes back, I am sure he will pick a different target to only focus on, such as Betts or Martin or Allen or Manning, etc... and you will probably say something similar 'man it's gonna suck to lose Martin'. Yes, Toure is a solid player and I would love to have him for one more year just for that experience factor.

But it appears you are saying that with Domann and Toure leaving, both sides of the Nebraska ball are going to take a major step back. Go ahead and think that, but it's silliness.