Where are we with the CFP after week 12?

Collegefbfan said:
Well, enlighten us genius on what you would base your stand on.
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That okie state played Great teams, only had one loss, won their conference… and that’s better than a one loss UGA who didn’t win their conf, also has a loss, and whose best wins are auburn, Kentucky, and Arky. And then add onto that that letting in UGA over okie state to the cfp sets up a probable immediate or eventual rematch.
And the only reason why I’d think different is if I was an sec sycophant who believed that beating those three teams was somehow akin to beating world beaters. I am not, and do not think that
 
ELTEXAN said:
By your logic, the GT game shouldn’t matter either. I spelled that out for you in point by point form. That’s YOUR stupid position.
And again, we’re having a debate on which SHOULD be ranked higher, and your using as proof OTHER’s rankings. You do see how stupid that argumentation is, yes?
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Jesus, you are one dumb poster. Yes UGA is 99% in. A loss to GT is the one thing that could screw that up. But, assuming they beat GT - everyone but you is assuming that - a loss to no. 2, their only loss of the year, won’t keep them out. It shouldn’t as anyone can see, but you.

BTW, if UGA were to lose to GT, then destroy Bama, they might slide in. A lot depends on that loss and why it happened. That’s the way this works to everyone other than Texas fans evidently.
 
ELTEXAN said:
That okie state played Great teams, only had one loss, won their conference… and that’s better than a one loss UGA who didn’t win their conf, also has a loss, and whose best wins are auburn, Kentucky, and Arky. And then add onto that that letting in UGA over okie state to the cfp sets up a probable immediate or eventual rematch.
And the only reason why I’d think different is if I was an sec sycophant who believed that beating those three teams was somehow akin to beating world beaters. I am not, and do not think that
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What great teams did OSU play? You do realize conf champs is only looked at if the teams are otherwise equal. UGA with a loss to Bama will still likely be considered the better team based on the current rankings.

God I can’t wait for these medicore SEC teams to beat the fuck out of your arrogant ass. Texas is in for some serious humble pie.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Jesus, you are one dumb poster. Yes UGA is 99% in. A loss to GT is the one thing that could screw that up. But, assuming they beat GT - everyone but you is assuming that - a loss to no. 2, their only loss of the year, won’t keep them out. It shouldn’t as anyone can see, but you.

BTW, if UGA were to lose to GT, then destroy Bama, they might slide in. A lot depends on that loss and why it happened. That’s the way this works to everyone other than Texas fans evidently.
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Cool how you make exceptions to your own logic, and that exception breaks your own logic. You do it because your position makes no sense.
mugs is NOT in already. Why? Because wins, losses, conf championships, etc all matter. That’s my position. Yours is opposite, and now that I’ve pointed it out, you make an extra-logic exception for yourself that should not fit YOUR OWN logic. Laughable
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
What great teams did OSU play? You do realize conf champs is only looked at if the teams are otherwise equal. UGA with a loss to Bama will still likely be considered the better team based on the current rankings.

God I can’t wait for these medicore SEC teams to beat the fuck out of your arrogant ass. Texas is in for some serious humble pie.
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You mean like when SIX sec west teams were ranked in the top 15 in week 7 a few years back? And the top five of those got their asses handed to them in their bowls? Like that? Lol.
 
ELTEXAN said:
You mean like when SIX sec west teams were ranked in the top 15 in week 7 a few years back? And the top five of those got their asses handed to them in their bowls? Like that? Lol.
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Didn’t answer question … wrote meaningless word salad. Back to the kiddies table, son. Adults over here.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Cool how you make exceptions to your own logic, and that exception breaks your own logic. You do it because your position makes no sense.
mugs is NOT in already. Why? Because wins, losses, conf championships, etc all matter. That’s my position. Yours is opposite, and now that I’ve pointed it out, you make an extra-logic exception for yourself that should not fit YOUR OWN logic. Laughable
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I have no idea what you just typed, it simply doesn’t make any sense. What I put down in my post is exactly how this would play out. Of course no way Georgia loses to Georgia Tech. But that’s exactly how this is played out in the past, it would play out now. You should go read the rules for the committee. I think you might be surprised that you don’t seem to know a single fucking thing about it.
 
Wow you talking about week 7 and then bowl games. What a jump. And read your post once more. You called me out for using rankings, and you just said six sec west teams ranked in top 15 in week 7. So are we or are we not using rankings?
 
ELTEXAN said:
That okie state played Great teams, only had one loss, won their conference… and that’s better than a one loss UGA who didn’t win their conf, also has a loss, and whose best wins are auburn, Kentucky, and Arky. And then add onto that that letting in UGA over okie state to the cfp sets up a probable immediate or eventual rematch.
And the only reason why I’d think different is if I was an sec sycophant who believed that beating those three teams was somehow akin to beating world beaters. I am not, and do not think thatIf
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Lets say UGA beats GT and loses to Bama. That loss looks way better than losing to 6-5 Iowa State like Oklahoma State did. You see that. I didn't have to go all the way back to the first game of the season to find that sorry loss. Now please return to Legos and uncrustables and let us talk about something you know nothing about.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Didn’t answer question … wrote meaningless word salad. Back to the kiddies table, son. Adults over here.
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That’s not word salad. Do you know English.
SIX SEC west teams were in the top 15 in week 7 a few years ago. The top 5 lost their bowls. So much for your logic of “we are not overranked… just look at our rankings!”
 
ELTEXAN said:
That’s not word salad. Do you know English.
SIX SEC west teams were in the top 15 in week 7 a few years ago. The top 5 lost their bowls. So much for your logic of “we are not overranked… just look at our rankings!”
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You are so stupid, you don’t even know what the question was. Adults here, move along.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
That is asinine. With conferences split in divisions, you will have teams who aren't even the 2nd best team in their conference playing in the CCG. Wisconsin playing in the B1G CCG with 5 losses one year. They should be in the CFP if they win?

If every conference were a round robin type where every team played each other and then the top two records played each other -- then yes, the CCG should decide the CFP. Too many times you have teams who back into their CCG with 3-4 losses. You think if Georgia goes undefeated, then loses to Bama, that a team with 3-4 losses are more deserving?
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In the 4 team model it depends with Georgia this year but the only scenario where they get left out involves there being multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams including one who proved better in the SEC title game. I think Georgia is a great team but their only ranked win is against no. 25 Arkansas. The other teams with elite defenses that are in contention are Notre Dame and Oklahoma State. Georgia over Notre Dame I get. Notre Dame has had a really soft schedule. They caught Wisconsin and Purdue before they figured stuff out and their best closing game is against a decent Virginia team that was missing one of the most productive quarterbacks in the country. Plus they don't have a CCG to worry about so one less data point to impress the committee.

Oklahoma State, if they win out, likely will be over two top 10 teams. Statistically they aren't that different defensively and Oklahoma State is healthier on offense now than at the start of the season and arguably better there than both Georgia and Notre Dame.

Obviously I'm biased on this and I'm more concerned about a 2 loss Bama getting in because of bullshit than a 1 loss Georgia but things like actually beating quality opponents late should mean more than playing a weak schedule and the name on the side of the helmet.
 
Cowboyinexile said:
In the 4 team model it depends with Georgia this year but the only scenario where they get left out involves there being multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams including one who proved better in the SEC title game. I think Georgia is a great team but their only ranked win is against no. 25 Arkansas. The other teams with elite defenses that are in contention are Notre Dame and Oklahoma State. Georgia over Notre Dame I get. Notre Dame has had a really soft schedule. They caught Wisconsin and Purdue before they figured stuff out and their best closing game is against a decent Virginia team that was missing one of the most productive quarterbacks in the country. Plus they don't have a CCG to worry about so one less data point to impress the committee.

Oklahoma State, if they win out, likely will be over two top 10 teams. Statistically they aren't that different defensively and Oklahoma State is healthier on offense now than at the start of the season and arguably better there than both Georgia and Notre Dame.

Obviously I'm biased on this and I'm more concerned about a 2 loss Bama getting in because of bullshit than a 1 loss Georgia but things like actually beating quality opponents late should mean more than playing a weak schedule and the name on the side of the helmet.
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Are you talking about the Oklahoma State who only beat Missouri State by 7, Boise State by 1 and Tulsa by 5? I'd just be happy the Big 12 is so bad this year and you have a shot to win it. To mention yourself in the same breathe as Georgia is crazy. I wish you the best, but I don't see any chance you'd get in over Georgia or Alabama.
 
Cowboyinexile said:
In the 4 team model it depends with Georgia this year but the only scenario where they get left out involves there being multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams including one who proved better in the SEC title game. I think Georgia is a great team but their only ranked win is against no. 25 Arkansas. The other teams with elite defenses that are in contention are Notre Dame and Oklahoma State. Georgia over Notre Dame I get. Notre Dame has had a really soft schedule. They caught Wisconsin and Purdue before they figured stuff out and their best closing game is against a decent Virginia team that was missing one of the most productive quarterbacks in the country. Plus they don't have a CCG to worry about so one less data point to impress the committee.

Oklahoma State, if they win out, likely will be over two top 10 teams. Statistically they aren't that different defensively and Oklahoma State is healthier on offense now than at the start of the season and arguably better there than both Georgia and Notre Dame.

Obviously I'm biased on this and I'm more concerned about a 2 loss Bama getting in because of bullshit than a 1 loss Georgia but things like actually beating quality opponents late should mean more than playing a weak schedule and the name on the side of the helmet.
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With all due respect, while you have a great D, UGA's is better on almost every metric. Often way better.

But that's not really the point of my post. Because our D is so good, holding teams to under an average of 7 points per game, people think our O is not good. It is very good, and this is with our QB1 out most of the season, starting a former WO QB, and our WRs 1-5 being out 80% of the season. We are starting to get all that talent back now.

Even with that, statistically, our O is way better than yours. See: 2021 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE FEI RATINGS | Football Outsiders or any other rating that looks at efficiency, things like that and not total yards which is not the best gauge of an O. In this one, we are 3rd in the country behind tOSU and Bama. You guys are 30th.

While you discount our schedule, the simple fact is that we've beaten the shit out of every team we've played, other than the Kickoff Classic against Clemson. Teams we play average 24 points per game less than all other games. UTjr scored the most points of anyone, 17. We shut out 2 teams, and held 7 of the 11 teams we have played to single digits. You guys barely beat some crappy teams.

All that said, I hope you run the table and get into the CFP. I've always liked your program and I would love to see you guys get in. This is why the 12 team CFP would be great ... it could be proven on the field. Would love to see how each others Os do against some damn good D.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
With all due respect, while you have a great D, UGA's is better on almost every metric. Often way better.

But that's not really the point of my post. Because our D is so good, holding teams to under an average of 7 points per game, people think our O is not good. It is very good, and this is with our QB1 out most of the season, starting a former WO QB, and our WRs 1-5 being out 80% of the season. We are starting to get all that talent back now.

Even with that, statistically, our O is way better than yours. See: 2021 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFENSIVE FEI RATINGS | Football Outsiders or any other rating that looks at efficiency, things like that and not total yards which is not the best gauge of an O. In this one, we are 3rd in the country behind tOSU and Bama. You guys are 30th.

While you discount our schedule, the simple fact is that we've beaten the shit out of every team we've played, other than the Kickoff Classic against Clemson. Teams we play average 24 points per game less than all other games. UTjr scored the most points of anyone, 17. We shut out 2 teams, and held 7 of the 11 teams we have played to single digits. You guys barely beat some crappy teams.

All that said, I hope you run the table and get into the CFP. I've always liked your program and I would love to see you guys get in. This is why the 12 team CFP would be great ... it could be proven on the field. Would love to see how each others Os do against some damn good D.
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Im not debating your dominance. But if you are being honest your schedule is soft. I'm thinking you win out against an overrated Bama but if you have a letdown there why should you be in versus a team that has the same defensive metrics and wins over two top 10 teams to close out the schedule?

Again if I'm betting you guys win out and the argument is about a 2 loss team but what about your resume screams you belong in if you lose? Great win vs Arky but after that you have dominant wins over schools that fired their coaches.
 
Cowboyinexile said:
In the 4 team model it depends with Georgia this year but the only scenario where they get left out involves there being multiple undefeated or 1 loss teams including one who proved better in the SEC title game. I think Georgia is a great team but their only ranked win is against no. 25 Arkansas. The other teams with elite defenses that are in contention are Notre Dame and Oklahoma State. Georgia over Notre Dame I get. Notre Dame has had a really soft schedule. They caught Wisconsin and Purdue before they figured stuff out and their best closing game is against a decent Virginia team that was missing one of the most productive quarterbacks in the country. Plus they don't have a CCG to worry about so one less data point to impress the committee.

Oklahoma State, if they win out, likely will be over two top 10 teams. Statistically they aren't that different defensively and Oklahoma State is healthier on offense now than at the start of the season and arguably better there than both Georgia and Notre Dame.

Obviously I'm biased on this and I'm more concerned about a 2 loss Bama getting in because of bullshit than a 1 loss Georgia but things like actually beating quality opponents late should mean more than playing a weak schedule and the name on the side of the helmet.
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If Southern OSU finishes 12-1, I believe they jump both ND and CIncy.
Slow start to the season but we could go there with everyone else with lacking performances vs lesser teams
 
Who else fired their coach besides Florida? Outside of the win over Baylor, who has Okie State beaten? And the loss against Iowa State is not a quality loss, but a loss nonetheless. I would like to see the Cowboys in the CFP just for a new team in it.
 
TaikoTiger said:
If Southern OSU finishes 12-1, I believe they jump both ND and CIncy.
Slow start to the season but we could go there with everyone else with lacking performances vs lesser teams
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I agree and hope this happens.
 
Cowboyinexile said:
Im not debating your dominance. But if you are being honest your schedule is soft. I'm thinking you win out against an overrated Bama but if you have a letdown there why should you be in versus a team that has the same defensive metrics and wins over two top 10 teams to close out the schedule?

Again if I'm betting you guys win out and the argument is about a 2 loss team but what about your resume screams you belong in if you lose? Great win vs Arky but after that you have dominant wins over schools that fired their coaches.
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I am trying to wrap my brain around this "weak schedule" argument.

Leaving out the FCS teams, and including next week's games, the won loss record for each of us is you at 66-55, we are UGA at 64-57. See the chart below. Statistically insignificant. We've actually played more teams with a winning record, you have played the most successful team - OU at 10-1. You lost to a 6-5 team, we've not lost. You squeaked by teams you shouldn't have, we beat the hell out of everyone other than Clemson in game 1.

I think an argument could be made that neither of us played that tough a schedule. We had no idea that Florida would collapse, and that Clemson would be 8-3 and not up to the level they have been in the past. Compare the chart below and tell me you really think our schedule is soft and yours isn't. They look quite similar, if you ask me. You ask why, if we lose to no. 2 Bama, we should get in ... I would argue that we have a better D and a better O, our schedules are similar, if you beat OU and Baylor, they will be ranked around 20ish, and you have a bad loss, and a bunch of games you played close where you should have blown them out.

FWIW, if you win out, I think you should be in over Cincy, ND, and a 2 loss Bama. Bama/UGA/tOSU/1 loss B12 winner is the most likely scenario.

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