lol. I think most inside the top 15 could have beaten ND that year. IIRC, that was the year that ND got lucky on a ton of plays throughout the year, I don't remember exactly, but I am vaguely recalling that Stanford had a legit gripe with the ND got from them.
If you have an offense like that 2019 LSU team, you've got a shot in any game even if your defense doesn't show up. UGA's defense in 2019 was one of the best in the country, and they got lit up like a Christmas tree by that LSU offense, and our ground and pound offense couldn't dream of keeping up.
People don't realize that those successful offenses have a run threat..it just ain't two tight ends and a full back. Defenses had to account for Clyde Edwards-Helaire or he'd eat their lunch.
One of the games this year the announcers were quoting Holgerson. He said they (Leach, Kingsbury, Riley and Holgerson) had an old Air Raid offense get together over drinks. Leach told the other three he was kicking them out of the Air Raid club because they were running the ball too damn much.
Well what categories are you going by to make your determination. Considering that.... (according to winsipedia)
Auburn is 19th in win %, 26th in national titles, 55th in conference titles, 15th in #of bowl games, 13th in wins, 22nd in all americans, 23rd in weeks at #1.
Clemson is in that same boat.... 21st in win %, 19th in national titles, 14th in wins, 22nd (tied) in all americans, 38th in heismans, 15th in weeks #1.
How would either of them be in the top 10? Even Winsipedia has them both at 16th and 15th respectively. And each have an average rank of 21 and 20 on winsipedia via all of their categories, respectively as well.
Personally, I don't consider draft picks or 1st rnd picks to matter as it isn't an actual reflection on the program, but is determined by the needs of the NFL. I don't think high or lower scores in that regard hurt, but I don't think it helps either. I also don't think Bowl Record should be considered either.
and for additional perspective on the other part of my comment....
Tennessee is 11th in win%, 32nd in conference titles, 13th in all americans, 38th tie in heismans, 19th in weeks #1.
Penn St is 26th in national titles, 11th in all americans, 19th in heismans, 17th in weeks #1
You put Nebraska in the same boat as Clemson, Auburn, Tenn, and Penn St when Nebraska is...
10th in win %
2nd in conference titles
5th in bowl games
8th in wins
8th in all americans
5th in heismans
7th in weeks #1
Nebraska is top 10 in every category except Bowl Record and 1st rnd picks. And for reference of Bowl Record where Nebraska is 47th...
Michgian is 64th
Notre Dame is 49th
Ohio St is 48th
As for National titles, winsipedia goes by number of claimed titles, not by the titles recognized by the NCAA. So let's just use real numbers.
Auburn - 2 titles (2010 and 1957)
Clemson - 3 titles (1981, 2016 and 2018)
Penn St - 4 titles (1911, 1912, 1982, and 1986)
Tennessee - 2 titles (1951 and 1998)
Nebraska - 5 titles (1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, and 1997)
Going by "claimed" titles is ridiculous. According to wiki, Nebraska has 9 unclaimed national titles, so all they would have to do is wake up tomorrow, claim them and suddenly have 14 titles... dumb. Winsipedia says that Iowa has 5 national titles... c'mon now.
So yeah, with all of that, it looks more like recency bias. I am sure that is why @Kburjr said that.
from my own list, the team with the fewest titles is Florida St with 3, but you have to account for them only starting since like the 1950s and all that they have accomplished in that relatively short time frame compared to everyone else.
1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Oklahoma (honestly #2 and #3 could be interchangeable)
4. Notre Dame
5. USC
6. Nebraska
7. Michigan
8. Texas
9. LSU
10. Florida St
11. Penn St
12. Tennessee
If you have an offense like that 2019 LSU team, you've got a shot in any game even if your defense doesn't show up. UGA's defense in 2019 was one of the best in the country, and they got lit up like a Christmas tree by that LSU offense, and our ground and pound offense couldn't dream of keeping up.
and for additional perspective on the other part of my comment....
Tennessee is 11th in win%, 32nd in conference titles, 13th in all americans, 38th tie in heismans, 19th in weeks #1.
Penn St is 26th in national titles, 11th in all americans, 19th in heismans, 17th in weeks #1
You put Nebraska in the same boat as Clemson, Auburn, Tenn, and Penn St when Nebraska is...
10th in win %
2nd in conference titles
5th in bowl games
8th in wins
8th in all americans
5th in heismans
7th in weeks #1
Nebraska is top 10 in every category except Bowl Record and 1st rnd picks. And for reference of Bowl Record where Nebraska is 47th...
Michgian is 64th
Notre Dame is 49th
Ohio St is 48th
As for National titles, winsipedia goes by number of claimed titles, not by the titles recognized by the NCAA. So let's just use real numbers.
Auburn - 2 titles (2010 and 1957)
Clemson - 3 titles (1981, 2016 and 2018)
Penn St - 4 titles (1911, 1912, 1982, and 1986)
Tennessee - 2 titles (1951 and 1998)
Nebraska - 5 titles (1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, and 1997)
Going by "claimed" titles is ridiculous. According to wiki, Nebraska has 9 unclaimed national titles, so all they would have to do is wake up tomorrow, claim them and suddenly have 14 titles... dumb. Winsipedia says that Iowa has 5 national titles... c'mon now.
So yeah, with all of that, it looks more like recency bias. I am sure that is why @Kburjr said that.
from my own list, the team with the fewest titles is Florida St with 3, but you have to account for them only starting since like the 1950s and all that they have accomplished in that relatively short time frame compared to everyone else.
1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Oklahoma (honestly #2 and #3 could be interchangeable)
4. Notre Dame
5. USC
6. Nebraska
7. Michigan
8. Texas
9. LSU
10. Florida St
11. Penn St
12. Tennessee
Being in the same ‘category’ doesn’t make them the ‘same.’
Don’t bring that weak argumentation on here.
Plus, as already stated in this thread, NU is in my blue bloods list, but I left them off because the last several times this was discussed, others said they were just in the outside.
and for additional perspective on the other part of my comment....
Tennessee is 11th in win%, 32nd in conference titles, 13th in all americans, 38th tie in heismans, 19th in weeks #1.
Penn St is 26th in national titles, 11th in all americans, 19th in heismans, 17th in weeks #1
You put Nebraska in the same boat as Clemson, Auburn, Tenn, and Penn St when Nebraska is...
10th in win %
2nd in conference titles
5th in bowl games
8th in wins
8th in all americans
5th in heismans
7th in weeks #1
Nebraska is top 10 in every category except Bowl Record and 1st rnd picks. And for reference of Bowl Record where Nebraska is 47th...
Michgian is 64th
Notre Dame is 49th
Ohio St is 48th
As for National titles, winsipedia goes by number of claimed titles, not by the titles recognized by the NCAA. So let's just use real numbers.
Auburn - 2 titles (2010 and 1957)
Clemson - 3 titles (1981, 2016 and 2018)
Penn St - 4 titles (1911, 1912, 1982, and 1986)
Tennessee - 2 titles (1951 and 1998)
Nebraska - 5 titles (1970, 1971, 1994, 1995, and 1997)
Going by "claimed" titles is ridiculous. According to wiki, Nebraska has 9 unclaimed national titles, so all they would have to do is wake up tomorrow, claim them and suddenly have 14 titles... dumb. Winsipedia says that Iowa has 5 national titles... c'mon now.
So yeah, with all of that, it looks more like recency bias. I am sure that is why @Kburjr said that.
from my own list, the team with the fewest titles is Florida St with 3, but you have to account for them only starting since like the 1950s and all that they have accomplished in that relatively short time frame compared to everyone else.
1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Oklahoma (honestly #2 and #3 could be interchangeable)
4. Notre Dame
5. USC
6. Nebraska
7. Michigan
8. Texas
9. LSU
10. Florida St
11. Penn St
12. Tennessee
