Jim Harbaugh gone to NFL

Will Jacksonville contact him? :dhd:
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It is why I tell Nebraska fans -- there isn't a chance in hell they are competitive nationally with zero in state talent and zero talent in surrounding states and now playing all their games in the Midwest.
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The only thing I will say about this is that.. there is no way in hell we should be losing to Iowa every year losing to Illinois every year.. we can be better
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I agree with everything you say other than the part about living in Georgia. Trust me, living in Athens, Georgia is a plus, not a minus. Especially for the coaches family. Right now, there are six D1 coaches/ex-coaches living in Athens - Smart, Richt, Dooley, Muschamp, Goff and Donnan. Don't be surprised to see the seventh, Bobo, there in a few months. Was there 3 years in law school, lived in the Atlanta area for another 15. It's a great place to live. Good chance in retirement that I will live at least part time in Athens.

I especially agree with you about Nebraska. It rankles them when you say it, but it is true.

Finally, that's why the 12 team CFP is important ... you may not be able to win the natty, but getting into the playoff and hosting a game or two or three every 5 years will go a long way to making CFB football fun for a lot of teams who really don't have a chance to make it to the top. I live in Raleigh, so I think of the reaction that NCSU and UNC fans (not Duke, they are hopeless) would have just to get into the CFP. The place would be nuts.
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It may be a great place, but I guarantee you, it was the last thing Kirby Smart was thinking about when he took the job. He saw arguably the richest recruiting state in all of CFB and the only other in state D1 school to compete for those recruits being GT. It is why LSU is a great job, it is why Lincoln Riley left OU to go to USC. CFB is all about who can collect the most talent and a select few schools have an enormous advantage based on their location.

This isn't poking fun at Athens or any of the cities the top programs are located -- I'm just stating what draws coaches to the schools is the financial backing and the recruiting area.
 
huskers1217 said:
The only thing I will say about this is that.. there is no way in hell we should be losing to Iowa every year losing to Illinois every year.. we can be better
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Actually, you should be just like Iowa in that your recruiting grounds are about the same. Illinois should actually be better than you in that they have Chicago and St. Louis to draw from.

Decided to look ... Iowa has more instate blue chips, but it is statistically insignificant. Illinois has 5 times as many (5 to 1). All 50 states, ranked by their percentage of national blue-chip recruits

You have history over both programs, but I just don't see that making a difference as it is so long ago relative to today's CFB and recruits.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
This isn't poking fun at Athens or any of the cities the top programs are located -- I'm just stating what draws coaches to the schools is the financial backing and the recruiting area.
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But you still need to impress the recruits with something. You need the facilities for one...
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It may be a great place, but I guarantee you, it was the last thing Kirby Smart was thinking about when he took the job. He saw arguably the richest recruiting state in all of CFB and the only other in state D1 school to compete for those recruits being GT. It is why LSU is a great job, it is why Lincoln Riley left OU to go to USC. CFB is all about who can collect the most talent and a select few schools have an enormous advantage based on their location.

This isn't poking fun at Athens or any of the cities the top programs are located -- I'm just stating what draws coaches to the schools is the financial backing and the recruiting area.
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I am not denying that ... just saying that living in Athens is actually a bonus, especially for the significant others.
 
huskers1217 said:
The only thing I will say about this is that.. there is no way in hell we should be losing to Iowa every year losing to Illinois every year.. we can be better
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I think Nebraska can consistently be a top 25 program and have the occasional B1G West title, but many fans think of the 80's and 90's and believe Nebraska will get back to that. In today's CFB landscape, it just isn't feasible. They have to rely solely on national recruiting or hoping to take a 3 star recruit and turn them into a star, while the top programs are bringing in 5 star recruits and backing them up with other 5 star recruits.

And Michigan is in the same boat. David Ojabo just declared for the draft, so UM loses Hutchinson and Ojabo, Dax Hill will likely be next. So our defense will be filled with all new players next year and after losing 25 sacks, we will likely have to play a completely different defense. It isn't like UM has the next big time recruit waiting to take over at each DE. We have to hope someone steps up.
 
Bayou Tiger said:
But you still need to impress the recruits with something. You need the facilities for one...
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Obviously -- Every top 10, top 15, top 25 program has all the bells and whistles. It comes with the territory. The indoor practice facility. The big time weight room. The ridiculous locker room. Etc.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I think Nebraska can consistently be a top 25 program and have the occasional B1G West title, but many fans think of the 80's and 90's and believe Nebraska will get back to that. In today's CFB landscape, it just isn't feasible. They have to rely solely on national recruiting or hoping to take a 3 star recruit and turn them into a star, while the top programs are bringing in 5 star recruits and backing them up with other 5 star recruits.

And Michigan is in the same boat. David Ojabo just declared for the draft, so UM loses Hutchinson and Ojabo, Dax Hill will likely be next. So our defense will be filled with all new players next year and after losing 25 sacks, we will likely have to play a completely different defense. It isn't like UM has the next big time recruit waiting to take over at each DE. We have to hope someone steps up.
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Not sure I said it in this thread as I am on 3 different sites right now. Yeah, I'm a loser. In any event, this is why the 12 team CFP is important ... you said top 25, and I would simply correct you and say the goal would be top 12. Can you get to top 12 2 or 3 times per 5 years? It ain't fun losing, but there is a lot of fun getting there. And the more you get there, the more you likely get back.

Also, let's not forget that with NIL, free agency (transfer portal) and a 12 team CFP, you might see more parity. I don't know if I will like the new look CFB, but I sure as hell know it's coming.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, you should be just like Iowa in that your recruiting grounds are about the same. Illinois should actually be better than you in that they have Chicago and St. Louis to draw from.

Decided to look ... Iowa has more instate blue chips, but it is statistically insignificant. Illinois has 5 times as many (5 to 1). All 50 states, ranked by their percentage of national blue-chip recruits

You have history over both programs, but I just don't see that making a difference as it is so long ago relative to today's CFB and recruits.
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The issue for Nebraska -- Those schools you mentioned are in the B1G footprint -- Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, etc, -- hell, even Clemson came in and took an Illinois recruit this past year. Michigan has signed the top recruit from Illinois 2 of the last 3 years and signed two other 4 star recruits from Illinois.

Those kids were brought up watching B1G football. Nebraska is going to be down the list for those recruits. It is why it is tough to pull recruits from the South to play in the B1G. You may get one or two, but it is next to impossible to consistently do so, as these kids were raised from birth on SEC football. That is why the home state kids are so huge for schools. It not only gives them blue chip recruits, but those kids are at the national high school football camps talking to other kids to try and sell them on the school.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Not sure I said it in this thread as I am on 3 different sites right now. Yeah, I'm a loser. In any event, this is why the 12 team CFP is important ... you said top 25, and I would simply correct you and say the goal would be top 12. Can you get to top 12 2 or 3 times per 5 years? It ain't fun losing, but there is a lot of fun getting there. And the more you get there, the more you likely get back.

Also, let's not forget that with NIL, free agency (transfer portal) and a 12 team CFP, you might see more parity. I don't know if I will like the new look CFB, but I sure as hell know it's coming.
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If by parity, you mean, different teams filling out the last few teams of a 12 team CFP -- then i agree. It isn't going to change the teams competing for the national title every year. It will still be the same select few schools. It will just be different teams they beat up on to get to the national title game.

The way CFB is set up right now -- the best way to try and explain it is: It'd be like the 4 teams who reach the AFC and NFC championship, after reaching those games, the NFL then divvies up say, the top 20 picks between those 4 teams. So the best teams get to pick the new best players available and then rinse and repeat each year. That's what CFB is right now.

With NIL -- you may have some teams swoop in and making some nice signings by throwing money around, but in the end, the top teams will still be the same select few.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
David Ojabo just declared for the draft, so UM loses Hutchinson and Ojabo, Dax Hill will likely be next. So our defense will be filled with all new players next year and after losing 25 sacks, we will likely have to play a completely different defense.
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That’s rough considering what a soft defense they had in the first place.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If by parity, you mean, different teams filling out the last few teams of a 12 team CFP -- then i agree. It isn't going to change the teams competing for the national title every year. It will still be the same select few schools. It will just be different teams they beat up on to get to the national title game.

The way CFB is set up right now -- the best way to try and explain it is: It'd be like the 4 teams who reach the AFC and NFC championship, after reaching those games, the NFL then divvies up say, the top 20 picks between those 4 teams. So the best teams get to pick the new best players available and then rinse and repeat each year. That's what CFB is right now.

With NIL -- you may have some teams swoop in and making some nice signings by throwing money around, but in the end, the top teams will still be the same select few.
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I read somewhere that if the CFP had been 12 instead of 4, 49 different teams would have made it in at least once. I know in the SEC the only 2 teams that wouldn't have made it are UTjr and Vandy.

As for getting beat up, concentrate on the first two rounds instead of the semis. The first slate of games - 5v12, 6v11, 7v10 and 8v9 will be mostly competitive ... think the better bowl games we had this year. Even 4v5 and 3v6 will likely be competitive in the second round. 1v8 and 2v7 could be, only because 1-4 doesn't mean the 4 best teams got byes ... this year Michigan and Baylor would have gotten byes and I am not sure they would have blown away the teams they would face.

Once we get to the semis, I think you will see the blow outs we've seen ... no reason to think that we won't continue to have 2 teams that are quite a bit above the rest. But those first 2 rounds should be far more competitive with good games to watch.
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
That’s rough considering what a soft defense they had in the first place.
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Soft is when you know a team is going to run the ball and you still get blown off the line of scrimmage. Like Michigan did to OSU. Like Oregon did to OSU. Hell, like Utah did to OSU.

It is a shame OSU wasted a national championship type of offense with such a piss poor defense.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I read somewhere that if the CFP had been 12 instead of 4, 49 different teams would have made it in at least once. I know in the SEC the only 2 teams that wouldn't have made it are UTjr and Vandy.

As for getting beat up, concentrate on the first two rounds instead of the semis. The first slate of games - 5v12, 6v11, 7v10 and 8v9 will be mostly competitive ... think the better bowl games we had this year. Even 4v5 and 3v6 will likely be competitive in the second round. 1v8 and 2v7 could be, only because 1-4 doesn't mean the 4 best teams got byes ... this year Michigan and Baylor would have gotten byes and I am not sure they would have blown away the teams they would face.

Once we get to the semis, I think you will see the blow outs we've seen ... no reason to think that we won't continue to have 2 teams that are quite a bit above the rest. But those first 2 rounds should be far more competitive with good games to watch.
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I agree -- it'd essentially eliminate players from the top 10-12 teams from sitting out bowl games, but at the same time, the top teams could end up play 16, 17 games in a season. And they can't make it odd and give teams a bye, as that'd be an enormous advantage. Who decides who get the byes?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Soft is when you know a team is going to run the ball and you still get blown off the line of scrimmage. Like Michigan did to OSU. Like Oregon did to OSU. Hell, like Utah did to OSU.

It is a shame OSU wasted a national championship type of offense with such a piss poor defense.
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Yeah, OSU needs work on their defense. Fortunately, just not as much work as Michigan does.

Rutgers, Nebraska, MSU, Indiana, Penn State and Maryland scored 121 points on Michigan, but only 85 on OSU.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I agree -- it'd essentially eliminate players from the top 10-12 teams from sitting out bowl games, but at the same time, the top teams could end up play 16, 17 games in a season. And they can't make it odd and give teams a bye, as that'd be an enormous advantage. Who decides who get the byes?
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Byes will be a feature not a bug. The 4 top ranked conference champs get byes. Looking at this year, Bama is rewarded, UGA penalized in the SEC. CCs now mean something. Plus can’t reward those who don’t play in a CC game while the other teams are playing. Those who play and win get the byes. Those who lose will get home field advantage in first round.
 
SlinkyRedfoot said:
Yeah, OSU needs work on their defense. Fortunately, just not as much work as Michigan does.

Rutgers, Nebraska, MSU, Indiana, Penn State and Maryland scored 121 points on Michigan, but only 85 on OSU.
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Michigan ran for 300 yards on OSU. Oregon ran for 300 yards on OSU. Utah ran for 250 yards on OSU. We call that soft, when you know what a team is going to do and the team still shoves it down your throat, because you can't stop it.

You see -- OSU had that on offense with three NFL 1st round draft pick talents at WR. Unfortunately -- the defense was soft and couldn't stop any team who had on the OL or at RB.

A shame OSU wasted such talent. If their defense was even halfway decent -- they could have won a title with all the weapons they have on offense.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan ran for 300 yards on OSU. Oregon ran for 300 yards on OSU. Utah ran for 250 yards on OSU. We call that soft, when you know what a team is going to do and the team still shoves it down your throat, because you can't stop it.

You see -- OSU had that on offense with three NFL 1st round draft pick talents at WR. Unfortunately -- the defense was soft and couldn't stop any team who had on the OL or at RB.

A shame OSU wasted such talent. If their defense was even halfway decent -- they could have won a title with all the weapons they have on offense.
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That’s great. I acknowledge OSU’s defense is soft. It’s just that Michigan’s was softer.

you see, 121 is more than 85. A lot more.

Michigan couldn’t have won a title no matter what. They just got up and had a great game vs their rival and got completely overrated because of it. That’s why Georgia stuffed them so easily.
 
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