If You Were Hoping For CFP Expansion You’re Going To Have To Wait A Few Years

[Deep Creek]

With NIL, it's no longer an ammy sport anyway. And again, no one needs to force them. Pick from what is available or walk on. Maybe that will lead to 1000% increase in walk ons... if that happens, the sport will eventually die anyway.

Acting like nothing is wrong is part of the problem.

The ACC commissioner agrees with you. Or at least that is what he said as to why the conference is against expansion at this time.

"We have significant concerns surrounding a proposed expansion model, though we'd be supportive of future expansion once and if these concerns are addressed," Phillips said at the time. "The membership believes that we have a responsibility in looking at the CFP and college football from a holistic perspective and not just whether to add more teams to a playoff. Collectively, we have much larger issues facing us than whether to expand the CFP early by two years."

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I understand your thought process regarding position and changing positions, but it wouldn't stop anything because majority of recruits redshirt anyway, so a school could call a top 100 recruit a long snapper, let him redshirt and then move him to his natural position.

Hence why you would have to limit the number at a position group

And what do you do with defenses who run hybrid players out? Those who have safeties who drop down to LB or a LB who moves down to safety or a DT who moves out to DE. It'd be an enormous headache not only for the NCAA, but individual schools to track. So not sure that'd ever be an option.

Yeah I was thinking that too lol...but again, it is up to the coaches to do what they see fit, but with the limitations in place. Don't like it? Get over it.

I also get what you are saying with the open signing, but I don't think it would have the effect you think it would. The elite recruits aren't going to visit a single school and decide to sign on the spot. These kids know they get 5 trips paid for, they use them and enjoy the perks that go along with them. I think you may be able to get some kids outside the top 300 to sign on the spot, but with the option to get out of it -- it will only take a school like Bama, Georgia, etc. to say, we want you and they'd opt out. So I am not sure how that'd help out?

Well again, nothing is forcing them. They sign when they want. If they want to wait, great, if not, that's cool too. The option should exist though. Sure, that kid could use their transfer option to back out, but they will be using their transfer option and will have to wait till graduation to move on or take the junior college/FCS route.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

The ACC commissioner agrees with you. Or at least that is what he said as to why the conference is against expansion at this time.

"We have significant concerns surrounding a proposed expansion model, though we'd be supportive of future expansion once and if these concerns are addressed," Phillips said at the time. "The membership believes that we have a responsibility in looking at the CFP and college football from a holistic perspective and not just whether to add more teams to a playoff. Collectively, we have much larger issues facing us than whether to expand the CFP early by two years."

Yeah, I want CFP expansion too (not a pussy ass 12 team though), but this is a much bigger issue.

 

[Deep Creek]

Yeah, I want CFP expansion too (not a pussy ass 12 team though), but this is a much bigger issue.

I understand what he is saying. But I don't think playoff expansion is going to have any impact on the other issues he is referring to.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

What you seem to miss is - It hasn't changed anything in the sport -- the popularity of CFB has never been bigger. The B1G just signed a television deal where they will make $1 billion a year to broadcast B1G sports.

It's also never seen a CFP NC game with fewer viewers than the most recent one. Continuing with more of the same handful of teams, I don't think anyone would be surprised to see it drop more and more over the years. As for the TV deal, I don't think that surprises anyone nor does it necessarily mean the sport is more popular than ever, these numbers have never declined. And correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anything has been signed just yet. I saw reports that estimated the new B1G tv deal being over 1B, but even googling right now, nothing says it is signed.

You are mixing up your personal feelings, because Nebraska is one of the schools hit hardest, as they have no in state talent and you want to see changes, so Nebraska can try to return to glory. It isn't happening though. Schools like Nebraska, Michigan, Oklahoma, ND are blue bloods, but they will never recruit like the elite recruiting teams, as Nebraska, Michigan, Oklahoma and Indiana do not have a talent at home base. It is what it is. I've said this for a few years now and was told I don't know what i'm talking about.

Yes, I have a dog in the fight, but nothing I have proposed has been drastic or biased in my opinion. The sport is at its best when 15-20 or so teams are competing, when the year starts and no one really knows who could win, or when a surprise team makes a competitive run. There are no surprises any more and it is just the same FEW teams. The south may like it, but no one else really does. That is why I think if nothing is done, eventually it will split into two leagues which I don't think anyone really wants, but CFB needs to return to 15-20 teams or the sport will die everywhere but the south.

Way I see it -- Notre Dame, Michigan and Oklahoma will continue to bring in top 10-15 recruiting classes with the occasional top 5 class. Nebraska will bring in top 15-25 recruiting classes, but getting into the top 10 will be extremely difficult for them to do and top 5 would be damn near impossible for them.

We were top 5 in 2005 lol.

Michigan's only chance to ever recruit like a Georgia or Bama is the NIL deals. They have a TON of uber rich alums, all itching to give away money. If UM gets the stick out of their ass, there isn't many schools who could match the type of money UM could put up for NIL, but rumor is -- the school has been against it. So IMO, they get what they deserve -- it sucks as I'm a fan, but the archaic approach needs to go.

We have Warren Buffet, but the dude hates sports.

So fuck him.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I understand what he is saying. But I don't think playoff expansion is going to have any impact on the other issues he is referring to.

I think he is worried about expansion (depending on size) allowing for 3 or 4 SEC teams and exacerbating the other issue.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

It's also never seen a CFP NC game with fewer viewers than the most recent one. Continuing with more of the same handful of teams, I don't think anyone would be surprised to see it drop more and more over the years. As for the TV deal, I don't think that surprises anyone nor does it necessarily mean the sport is more popular than ever, these numbers have never declined. And correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think anything has been signed just yet. I saw reports that estimated the new B1G tv deal being over 1B, but even googling right now, nothing says it is signed.

Yes, I have a dog in the fight, but nothing I have proposed has been drastic or biased in my opinion. The sport is at its best when 15-20 or so teams are competing, when the year starts and no one really knows who could win, or when a surprise team makes a competitive run. There are no surprises any more and it is just the same FEW teams. The south may like it, but no one else really does. That is why I think if nothing is done, eventually it will split into two leagues which I don't think anyone really wants, but CFB needs to return to 15-20 teams or the sport will die everywhere but the south.

We were top 5 in 2005 lol.

We have Warren Buffet, but the dude hates sports.

So fuck him.

Do Nebraska fans realize the landscape of CFB is COMPLETELY different than it was from even 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago? Nebraska is no longer a big fish in the Big 12. They no longer play in the Southwest, they play in the Midwest. They no longer have rivals like OU and games with Texas. They now play in the "weak division" of the B1G with rivals like Iowa and Wisconsin (which is great if you are recruiting in Iowa or Wisconsin, but it isn't going to sell a recruit from the South, Southwest, or West)

It'd take a miracle for Nebraska to pull in a top 5 recruiting class in today's CFB when they have zero in state talent to draw from. And I'm not saying it to be disrespectful, but I'm being honest. You need to sign multiple 5 star recruits, a half dozen guys in the top 100 and another half dozen guys in the top 200 to get to #5 -- Texas was #5 this year. They had 2 five star recruits and 14 of the top 200 recruits. Nebraska has signed 2 five star recruits total in the past 22 years.

So I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it isn't happening unless Nebraska leaves to go back to the Big 12 or the state of Nebraska starts producing multiple 5 star recruits a year. Hell -- Michigan needs the stars to align to get to a top 5 class and we have a state that produces five star kids every so often, as well as a few each year in the top 300. The last top 5 class we had -- we signed 2 five star recruits and 10 kids in the top 200. We had a 5 star kid and 6 other 4 star recruits we signed from the state of Michigan. If you don't have that base of kids in your home state -- it is next to impossible to get a top 5 class today.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Do Nebraska fans realize the landscape of CFB is COMPLETELY different than it was from even 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago? Nebraska is no longer a big fish in the Big 12. They no longer play in the Southwest, they play in the Midwest. They no longer have rivals like OU and games with Texas. They now play in the "weak division" of the B1G with rivals like Iowa and Wisconsin (which is great if you are recruiting in Iowa or Wisconsin, but it isn't going to sell a recruit from the South, Southwest, or West)

It'd take a miracle for Nebraska to pull in a top 5 recruiting class in today's CFB when they have zero in state talent to draw from. And I'm not saying it to be disrespectful, but I'm being honest. You need to sign multiple 5 star recruits, a half dozen guys in the top 100 and another half dozen guys in the top 200 to get to #5 -- Texas was #5 this year. They had 2 five star recruits and 14 of the top 200 recruits. Nebraska has signed 2 five star recruits total in the past 22 years.

So I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it isn't happening unless Nebraska leaves to go back to the Big 12 or the state of Nebraska starts producing multiple 5 star recruits a year. Hell -- Michigan needs the stars to align to get to a top 5 class and we have a state that produces five star kids every so often, as well as a few each year in the top 300. The last top 5 class we had -- we signed 2 five star recruits and 10 kids in the top 200. We had a 5 star kid and 6 other 4 star recruits we signed from the state of Michigan. If you don't have that base of kids in your home state -- it is next to impossible to get a top 5 class today.

I disagree, I think it can absolutely happen with the right coach and winning.... so it won't be happening soon, put it that way.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I disagree, I think it can absolutely happen with the right coach and winning.... so it won't be happening soon, put it that way.

You have a right to disagree, but it is the truth. It is why you saw coaches like Kelly leave ND to go to LSU and Riley to leave OU to go to USC. Because there are only so many school located in areas where you can pull in top 5 classes and Nebraska isn't one of them.

Nebraska fans can keep saying it is the coach's fault, but it just how the landscape of college football is now. The move they made from the Big 12 to the B1G West, while it lined the pockets of the university -- it made life extremely difficult the football program and recruiting.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I understand what he is saying. But I don't think playoff expansion is going to have any impact on the other issues he is referring to.

That’s political word salad that means nothing. The ACC commissioner is trying to get ND into the ACC, and/or get their shitty contract renegotiated. For a half a billion dollars, most people with staffs of hundreds can do two things at a time. All the issues they raised could have been compromised, but they didn’t want to because their vaginas are sore. Just read the National sports writers … there isn’t a one that is saying this is good, or that it makes sense. Unless Clemson comes back the ACC and the PAC, are going to be left out more than in the next 4 years. Way to rep your constituency.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

You have a right to disagree, but it is the truth. It is why you saw coaches like Kelly leave ND to go to LSU and Riley to leave OU to go to USC. Because there are only so many school located in areas where you can pull in top 5 classes and Nebraska isn't one of them.

Nebraska fans can keep saying it is the coach's fault, but it just how the landscape of college football is now. The move they made from the Big 12 to the B1G West, while it lined the pockets of the university -- it made life extremely difficult the football program and recruiting.

I agree and disagree with you both. The only way that Nebraska can get back to relevancy is if they get a dynamic coach who is so popular and dynamic he can make southern kids move to Nebraska. So you are right, it will take a coach. Which basically means it won’t happen. Who are the best recruiters right now? Saban, Smart, Day, Dumbo, Dabo (maybe)? Do you really think any of them could turn Nebraska around before getting hired by a southern team? Be honest.

 

[Wild Turkey]

If this were at all true they’d be putting 2 teams in the CFP more often then they are.

If it weren’t true the SEC teams that get in would be losing in the first round….. they aren’t.

 

[Deep Creek]

That’s political word salad that means nothing. The ACC commissioner is trying to get ND into the ACC, and/or get their shitty contract renegotiated. For a half a billion dollars, most people with staffs of hundreds can do two things at a time. All the issues they raised could have been compromised, but they didn’t want to because their vaginas are sore. Just read the National sports writers … there isn’t a one that is saying this is good, or that it makes sense. Unless Clemson comes back the ACC and the PAC, are going to be left out more than in the next 4 years. Way to rep your constituency.

Clem might but only because there aren't any other "war horses" in the ACC. The Big 12 will be left out as much or more than the ACC and the PAC IMO. The revenue gap will continue to get larger and larger between the B1G/SEC and the other three. That will be the de facto break away without the "Super Conference" formal separation. The money will make them Super Conference whether they are called that or not. The others will land somewhere between the two big dogs and the G5s revenue wise. Probably regress toward G5 instead of being drug toward the big 2. (Unless the huge population on the West Coast becomes more rabid about CFB than they appear to be right now...at least percentage wise.)

The only thing that could help any of those conferences CFP wise is if teams have "stars aligned just right" season every year and runs the table like Cincy did in the AAC. Right now it sure looks like most of 'em have a lot of parity and aren't able to go through their conferences slates unscathed....and that's what it'll take.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Yes, I have a dog in the fight, but nothing I have proposed has been drastic or biased in my opinion. The sport is at its best when 15-20 or so teams are competing, when the year starts and no one really knows who could win, or when a surprise team makes a competitive run. There are no surprises any more and it is just the same FEW teams. The south may like it, but no one else really does. That is why I think if nothing is done, eventually it will split into two leagues which I don't think anyone really wants, but CFB needs to return to 15-20 teams or the sport will die everywhere but the south.

Of course you are being biased. You are making suggestions that you believe would be beneficial for Nebraska, as they can't compete recruiting with 10-15 schools. You believe those changes would benefit Nebraska. It'd be like me saying -- every school in CFB should be able to give exemptions to non-qualifier recruits or that all credits from other schools should be approved if they transfer in to a new school -- then saying I'm not being biased. Michigan can barely use the portal, because the school won't allow the course credits to transfer over from other schools. It is why we only sign one or two guys a year and those guys are grad transfers with a clean academic slate.

I completely understand why you want to see the changes happen, but I don't see any chance the NCAA limits the student/athletes choice of what school they want to go to. And while it is a select few who are winning NC's -- no one saw Michigan making the CFP and definitely no one saw Cincinnati making the CFP. So saying we never see surprises, when we had two complete surprises in the CFP last year debunks that thought.

 

[TaikoTiger]

And they said The Alliance was useless

 

[TaikoTiger]

The 12-team proposal was a well thought out draft but it was missing one major thing, money distribution. The revenue gap between the BIG/SEC is maybe big now but just wait until they're allowed 3-4 teams while everyone else gets in 1-2. I'm not surprise to see the ACC and BIG-12 not being in much of a rush to have their playoff share go from 25% to 8%-16%

 

[outofyourmind]

The first year the PAC or BIG or ACC are left out of the Playoffs, their tune will change.

 

[RubinRock]

And you dipshits laughed at the Alliance. Already shaping the future of college football. A shame to see the cute little SEC become an afterthought in the happenings of major college football.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Of course you are being biased. You are making suggestions that you believe would be beneficial for Nebraska, as they can't compete recruiting with 10-15 schools. You believe those changes would benefit Nebraska. It'd be like me saying -- every school in CFB should be able to give exemptions to non-qualifier recruits or that all credits from other schools should be approved if they transfer in to a new school -- then saying I'm not being biased. Michigan can barely use the portal, because the school won't allow the course credits to transfer over from other schools. It is why we only sign one or two guys a year and those guys are grad transfers with a clean academic slate.

I completely understand why you want to see the changes happen, but I don't see any chance the NCAA limits the student/athletes choice of what school they want to go to. And while it is a select few who are winning NC's -- no one saw Michigan making the CFP and definitely no one saw Cincinnati making the CFP. So saying we never see surprises, when we had two complete surprises in the CFP last year debunks that thought.

You guys just got done talking about how you don't see how it would help or how it could help the top dogs, but somehow it is biased . Nothing I said hurts or helps any one team, nor does it give Nebraska an edge in any regard. Just because I would like to see this and am a Nebraska fan does not mean there is inherent bias. You comment is stupid.

You mention partial qualifiers as if that is somehow exclusive to Nebraska. It has NOTHING to do with Nebraska. I think it should be allowed because it is helpful to the people. As long as they can gain entry to the school (which I stated by having the school have their own qualifications), then everyone should be given the chance to meet the requirements to see the field. It is in no way biased or exclusively helpful to any one team and more athletes help the sport.

It doesn't debunk shit. Lol at you for thinking it does. You are either glossing over or willfully ignoring the point and the problem. I don't care to explain the obvious to you. So either be dumb or act dumb, that is on you.

The NCAA already limits the school the athletes can go to via the current limits, the athletes have to follow that or walk on.... nothing really changes. This talking point of 'forcing the kids to a certain school' is bullshit.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You guys just got done talking about how you don't see how it would help or how it could help the top dogs, but somehow it is biased . Nothing I said hurts or helps any one team, nor does it give Nebraska an edge in any regard. Just because I would like to see this and am a Nebraska fan does not mean there is inherent bias. You comment is stupid.

You mention partial qualifiers as if that is somehow exclusive to Nebraska. It has NOTHING to do with Nebraska. I think it should be allowed because it is helpful to the people. As long as they can gain entry to the school (which I stated by having the school have their own qualifications), then everyone should be given the chance to meet the requirements to see the field. It is in no way biased or exclusively helpful to any one team and more athletes help the sport.

It doesn't debunk shit. Lol at you for thinking it does. You are either glossing over or willfully ignoring the point and the problem. I don't care to explain the obvious to you. So either be dumb or act dumb, that is on you.

The NCAA already limits the school the athletes can go to via the current limits, the athletes have to follow that or walk on.... nothing really changes. This talking point of 'forcing the kids to a certain school' is bullshit.

partial scholarships or open signing isn't going to help anyone but the elite schools. I'm lost on how you think this would help schools besides the elite recruiting schools?

limiting the number of people you could sign by position (which will never happen) -- would absolutely help schools like Nebraska who recruit in the 15-30 range each year, as the top teams fill their spots, those recruits would trickle down to those teams in the 15-30 range. And I'm not talk about solely Nebraska -- I'm talking about a range of teams, which Nebraska is included in.

I mentioned partial qualifiers because it won't happen in the B1G -- the B1G conference, as a whole, prides itself on the academics that goes along with student/athletes. So while personally, I'd love to see them loosen the rules on partial qualifiers -- I don't see it happening.

So what is the scholarship limits you'd like to see? Should they go the FCS route and only allow 63 scholarships per team (I believe that is what it is). Now you'd have roughly 5,000 less players a year earning a scholarship for football and forced to pay for school out of pocket. So not sure 'nothing changes'?