If You Were Hoping For CFP Expansion You’re Going To Have To Wait A Few Years

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'm not trotting anything out. ND is in the exact same boat as UM. The same boat as OU. I'd include Nebraska in the boat, but they are in the worst shape of all the Blue Blood programs, as they have zero talent in state or surrounding them.

ND may win a championship again if the stars aligned, just like UM may and OU may, but it'd take every bounce to go their way, every call to go to their way, etc. and they have no chance in the current landscape of CFB to be a consistent national power.

It is like people refuse to accept reality. Is it just a coincidence the last title for ND was 1988, the last one for UM was 1997, the last for OU was 2000? If you aren't pulling in elite recruiting classes every year, as in top 10, with top 5 classes -- you aren't winning a national title. If you aren't signing 2 or 3 five star recruits each class -- you aren't winning a title.

The days of signing a top 20 class and building up 3 star guys into elite players are long gone, as these high school kids now have strength coaches in HS, they have position coaches, position camps, national camps, etc. etc. So if you aren't pulling in those elite recruits -- you are fighting at uphill battle you aren't going to win.

You may get an invite to the dance -- but you are simply getting led to the slaughter, as what has been the closest game for ND in the CFP or a national title game since 1988? Tell me the average loss of the games ND has played in the NC or CFP appearances since 1988? I think the closest game was a 17 point loss. You had 28 point losses, a 27 point loss.

How about this -- since you are about data -- give me the data that shows ND is relevant and a NC is around the corner for them?
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Yeah I’m not reading all that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Do you doubt that is what it is about? I mean, more money is no. 1, we can all agree on that. In the short term it's not to make it more competitive, although in the longer term it is.

Here are quick pros and cons of the numbers:

4 - good at getting the best 4, but kind of dumb when you have 5 P5, and 5 G5 conferences.
8 - allows auto-qualifiers (AQs) which is good for the more teams in longer reason, but with just 2 at-large teams (1 if you realize ND will get in most years), that's a no go for the SEC and B1G. Also, no byes which might give an at large team that didn't play in a Conf Championship an advantage.
12 - manageable number of games, first round byes to protect your best 4 teams, typically will only add one more game.
16 - has the problem that non-CC participants will have an edge over those that play CCs due to no byes. You can argue that top 12 means 2 loss teams, while 16 would get 3 loss teams in, and no one wants that.
Any bigger is not manageable and adds too many games.
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Fair enough but "no one wants 3 loss teams" goes against "The more, The merrier" and there will always be people out there that will argue for more. I mean more money, more fans involve to the end of season and the other sports have a lower entry to get into the playoffs. At what point do we draw the line? At a certain point we all have our own preferences but that don't matter because money is what drives this whole thing
 
jjc2009 said:
Yeah I’m not reading all that.
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I thought you liked data. How about this?
Alabama 42 ND 14
Clemson 30 ND 3
Alabama 31 ND 14

ND will continue to be exactly what they are -- a top 10-15 team who gets absolutely hammered by the elite programs. It is why Kelly left to go to LSU, because at LSU, he can recruit much better than he can at ND.

Crazy how this needs to be explained to people.
 
TaikoTiger said:
Fair enough but "no one wants 3 loss teams" goes against "The more, The merrier" and there will always be people out there that will argue for more. I mean more money, more fans involve to the end of season and the other sports have a lower entry to get into the playoffs. At what point do we draw the line? At a certain point we all have our own preferences but that don't matter because money is what drives this whole thing
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Don't think you can go past 12 ... too many games. And football is different from hoops about more games.

Also, 12 works for conferences ... 6 AQ, 6 at-large. 4 just never made sense with 5 P5 conferences and then the G5.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Don't think you can go past 12 ... too many games. And football is different from hoops about more games.

Also, 12 works for conferences ... 6 AQ, 6 at-large. 4 just never made sense with 5 P5 conferences and then the G5.
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At 12 -- are you going with 4 byes and 4 games? That is the part that confuses me, because no sport does a bye help you more than football. One less week or wear and tear on the body, one less week of players having a chance to get hurt. How are they going to give the 4 byes?

8 seems like the best possible scenario -- 6 AQ and 2 at large. Everyone plays the same amount of games.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I thought you liked data. How about this?
Alabama 42 ND 14
Clemson 30 ND 3
Alabama 31 ND 14

ND will continue to be exactly what they are -- a top 10-15 team who gets absolutely hammered by the elite programs. It is why Kelly left to go to LSU, because at LSU, he can recruit much better than he can at ND.

Crazy how this needs to be explained to people.
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Kelly didn’t even try to recruit at ND.
 
TaikoTiger said:
….that don't matter because money is what drives this whole thing
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The answer to all the questions is money. Money is what was the entire force behind the whole realignment shitstorm.
 
Deep Creek said:
The answer to all the questions is money. Money is what was the entire force behind the whole realignment shitstorm.
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No doubt about it at all, and there is nothing wrong with that, IMO.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Yup, but not too many, and the further down you go the worse they get.
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Just make it the top 64 lol.

That actually happens to be right around the mark where you start getting .500 records. And if a 7-5 Arkansas St (or whoever) runs the table with 6 straight wins against the top competition, then they should claim the title.

Would never happen, but would definitely be fun.
 
Start the season earlier and have all the CCG's played on Thanksgiving weekend.
2 weeks later, the invitational starts
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
At 12 -- are you going with 4 byes and 4 games? That is the part that confuses me, because no sport does a bye help you more than football. One less week or wear and tear on the body, one less week of players having a chance to get hurt. How are they going to give the 4 byes?

8 seems like the best possible scenario -- 6 AQ and 2 at large. Everyone plays the same amount of games.
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What was proposed is:
- Top 4 Conf Champs get byes - you have to have this as some of the 5-12 won't be playing in Conf Champ games, and you can't penalize the teams that played in CC games. This also puts an emphasis on the value of conf championships.
- 1st round is on campus of teams 5-8, playing 12-9. Likely the second or third week of December.
- 2nd round - would be around Christmas, in 4 of the NY6 bowls.
- Semis - New Years - the other 2 NY6 bowls.
- Final 10 days later - to be bid out for location.

The problem with 8 is that some of the teams will have had a byte during the conf champ games, and there are only 2 at large. With ND almost always getting 1 of those, no way the SEC and the B1G are going to agree with that. The SEC has basically said 8 ain't happening - 4 best or 12 with AQs.

BTW, everyone won't have played the same number of games. It's possible that some of the 8 won't have played in a conf champs game - think Bama in 17, tOSU this year, UGA in 08 if we had an 8 team CFP at the time. If all the conferences move away from divisions, that would not be as big of concern.
 
outofyourmind said:
Start the season earlier and have all the CCG's played on Thanksgiving weekend.
2 weeks later, the invitational starts
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There is a fair amount of discussion about this ... starting the season at week 0, Thanksgiving CGs, 1st week of Dec which is when CCGs are now played being would be an off week. Round 1 would be second weekend of Dec. Exams. Then Round 2 around Christmas.
 
there is a realignment message board out there in the internets... I used to think it was just a bunch of whako conspiracists, but they've pretty much have been nails from their takes of over like 2 years when UT/ou announced their decision to go to the SEC

They seem pretty certain that USC and maybe like 2 other current PAC schools will break away and join the SEC. ACC will get raided by both the SEC/BiG.. will be just a two league monster. I know was chuckling when I first read it but.. it makes sense when you hear ASU president basically saying they can't compete with NIL so the sell will be NFL development.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
No doubt about it at all, and there is nothing wrong with that, IMO.
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Yeah there is. Or, we need to change the scoring system. The college football team that makes the most money is the national champion. Piss on scoring points for touchdowns, extra points, field goals and safeties.

This sounds like the Jerry Jones method of winning. As long as the Cowgirls keep raking in the dinero, who cares if they win a Super Bowl again or not.
 
Thiefery said:
there is a realignment message board out there in the internets... I used to think it was just a bunch of whako conspiracists, but they've pretty much have been nails from their takes of over like 2 years when UT/ou announced their decision to go to the SEC

They seem pretty certain that USC and maybe like 2 other current PAC schools will break away and join the SEC. ACC will get raided by both the SEC/BiG.. will be just a two league monster. I know was chuckling when I first read it but.. it makes sense when you hear ASU president basically saying they can't compete with NIL so the sell will be NFL development.
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Will there be any "paring"? If schools like Miss State, Vandy, Purdue and Rutgers are included, then that monster will have several pussies.
And Az State > any of those four listed above.
 
Thiefery said:
lazy?
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Yes. Except for maybe his first couple of years he was hardly ever directly involved. A few blue chippers said ND was late to the game in their recruiting. Some commits said they never spoke to him directly
 
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