So what happens if CFP splits right down the middle?

[OlyDuck]

1. OP is correct that there will be an SEC v. Alliance showdown. Your no. 3 proves that.

2. The ACC's leverage disappeared when they no longer required unanimity to make the decision. As I pointed out above, the Alliance can veto new rules with their 3 conference votes. But, ND appears to be aligned with the SEC on CFP, so that isn't going to work.

3. The SEC will not agree to any of what you typed. They won't agree on limiting how many get in the playoffs, or how many get to the NC game. If one does not want more than 3 SEC teams to get into the CFP, put out a better product. They are getting P5 AQs ... trying to further limit the SEC won't work. The initial CFP concentrated on the "4 best" so lets hope that the conferences can agree that it needs to be the 6 best at-large, regardless of conference.

Having said all that, you can't go back in history and ever find 6 SEC teams in the top 12. 3 often, 4 occasionally. But it isn't a true threat. Here are the numbers, with an * where OU would have also been in. As we know, UT never would have gotten in.

2014 - 3
2015 - 2*
2016 - 1*
2017 - 3*
2018 - 4*
2019 - 4*
2020 - 4*
2021 - 3

While that looks like 3 years where it would get 5 in, when the SEC adds OU and TX, and we go to 9 conference games there is a chance that one of the lower qualifying teams comes in at 13-16 instead of 10-12.

thats what i was saying before
people were automatically counting Oklahoma as another SEC team but were missing where 1 Oklahoma was getting in off Big XII scheduling
and you would have to count at least on occasion where a team like LSU or Auburn or Oklahoma would have that additional loss to each other

 

[ELTEXAN]

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[ELTEXAN]

thats what i was saying before
people were automatically counting Oklahoma as another SEC team but were missing where 1 Oklahoma was getting in off Big XII scheduling
and you would have to count at least on occasion where a team like LSU or Auburn or Oklahoma would have that additional loss to each other

Big 12 is better top to bottom than the SEC and b12 plays more conference games and tougher OOC.

 

[Thiefery]

there really isn't an alliance.. they aren't on the same page as one would think

 

[7samurai13]

Big 12 is better top to bottom than the SEC and b12 plays more conference games and tougher OOC.

The Top of the Big12 is no where near as good as the top of the SEC and the bottom… I Don’t know if I would put money that Kansas is better than Vandy.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

thats what i was saying before
people were automatically counting Oklahoma as another SEC team but were missing where 1 Oklahoma was getting in off Big XII scheduling
and you would have to count at least on occasion where a team like LSU or Auburn or Oklahoma would have that additional loss to each other

The SEC has long been criticized for its 8 game schedule. I have always agreed it gives half the conference one more win that can make a difference for rankings and bowls. To those that criticized it I responded, if you know this and still play 9 games, that's on your and your conference.

The SEC is in a position where they have to look at going to 9 games for a couple reasons: (1) with the addition of OU and TX, staying at 8 would simply mean that you don't get to play the other teams often enough. ATM came into the SEC in 2012 and UGA doesn't play them @ATM until 2024. That's absurd. Going to 9 and pods will make it possible to play every team every other year. It would be worse if we stay at 8 with divisions now that we are at 16.

And (2) the TV contract is about to be renegotiated. With 9 games and pods it means that you play each team at least every other year. For example, UGA might play UF, AU and USCjr every year and then rotate the other 12 teams, 6 each year. That means we get to play half of the big 8 (UF, AU, ATM, UA, LSU, UTjr, OU and UT) every year. So, UGA could have a schedule in one year with UF, AU, UA, OU, UTjr, and then the next year have UF, AU, LSU, UT, and ATM. That's 5 unreal games each year for each of these teams. I think that means you are getting 40 prime SEC games each year, or about 3.5 prime games per week. There will be too much TV money to not make that happen. I include UTjr for historical reasons - in any year we can only hope that UTjr/Arky/OM/MSU will prove to be a good 8th in the Big 8 of the SEC.

 

[OlyDuck]

Big 12 is better top to bottom than the SEC and b12 plays more conference games and tougher OOC.

ask your self would i rather play

12-2 Oklahoma state or 14-1 UGA?
12-2 Baylor or 13-2 Alabama?
11-2 Oklahoma or 10-3 Ole Miss?
7-6 Iowa State or 10-3 Kentucky?
8-5 Kansas State or 9-4 Arkansas?
7-6 TT or 8-4 Texas A&M,
6-7 West Virginia 5-7 Texas, 5-7 TCU, or 6-7 Auburn, 6-7 Missouri, 7-6 South Carolina, 6-7 Florida, 6-7 LSU?
2-10 Kansas or 2-10 Vandy


and tell me that again

 

[OlyDuck]

The SEC has long been criticized for its 8 game schedule. I have always agreed it gives half the conference one more win that can make a difference for rankings and bowls. To those that criticized it I responded, if you know this and still play 9 games, that's on your and your conference.

The SEC is in a position where they have to look at going to 9 games for a couple reasons: (1) with the addition of OU and TX, staying at 8 would simply mean that you don't get to play the other teams often enough. ATM came into the SEC in 2012 and UGA doesn't play them @ATM until 2024. That's absurd. Going to 9 and pods will make it possible to play every team every other year. It would be worse if we stay at 8 with divisions now that we are at 16.

And (2) the TV contract is about to be renegotiated. With 9 games and pods it means that you play each team at least every other year. For example, UGA might play UF, AU and USCjr every year and then rotate the other 12 teams, 6 each year. That means we get to play half of the big 8 (UF, AU, ATM, UA, LSU, UTjr, OU and UT) every year. So, UGA could have a schedule in one year with UF, AU, UA, OU, UTjr, and then the next year have UF, AU, LSU, UT, and ATM. That's 5 unreal games each year for each of these teams. I think that means you are getting 40 prime SEC games each year, or about 3.5 prime games per week. There will be too much TV money to not make that happen. I include UTjr for historical reasons - in any year we can only hope that UTjr/Arky/OM/MSU will prove to be a good 8th in the Big 8 of the SEC.

possible more likely woulndt they keep same opponents for 2 years in a row to do home and away or would you do yours and go home and away every other with same team?

 

[huskers1217]

there really isn't an alliance.. they aren't on the same page as one would think

it was to strength the Pac12 but they are making deals outside of the alliance..

fuck them.

the alliance can die and the B!G can run all over everyone else.

 

[OlyDuck]

it was to strength the Pac12 but they are making deals outside of the alliance..

fuck them.

the alliance can die and the B!G can run all over everyone else.

how do you figure?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

possible more likely woulndt they keep same opponents for 2 years in a row to do home and away or would you do yours and go home and away every other with same team?

Pretty sure they would do every other year, home and away. Instead of playing Bama every 6th year we would play them every other year. From a fan's perspective, that is awesome. From a UGA fan that loves to go to away games, it is heaven.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Big 12 is better top to bottom than the SEC and b12 plays more conference games and tougher OOC.

LOL ...

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

“CFBU”

1. Kill the ncaa. Start a new league, “COLLEGE FOOTBALL UNION.” 2. CFBU organizing 64 member schools into four 16-team divisions. 3. Each division plays a nine-game division schedule. 4. The division schedule is set up into a four-team-pods OR three-permanent-rivals scheme. 5. The two teams in...

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Threads on conference realignment where the first item is to break up the conferences is the biggest waste of time on any sports board, and that's saying something.

 

[Kevin12773]

The SEC has long been criticized for its 8 game schedule. I have always agreed it gives half the conference one more win that can make a difference for rankings and bowls. To those that criticized it I responded, if you know this and still play 9 games, that's on your and your conference.

The SEC is in a position where they have to look at going to 9 games for a couple reasons: (1) with the addition of OU and TX, staying at 8 would simply mean that you don't get to play the other teams often enough. ATM came into the SEC in 2012 and UGA doesn't play them @ATM until 2024. That's absurd. Going to 9 and pods will make it possible to play every team every other year. It would be worse if we stay at 8 with divisions now that we are at 16.

And (2) the TV contract is about to be renegotiated. With 9 games and pods it means that you play each team at least every other year. For example, UGA might play UF, AU and USCjr every year and then rotate the other 12 teams, 6 each year. That means we get to play half of the big 8 (UF, AU, ATM, UA, LSU, UTjr, OU and UT) every year. So, UGA could have a schedule in one year with UF, AU, UA, OU, UTjr, and then the next year have UF, AU, LSU, UT, and ATM. That's 5 unreal games each year for each of these teams. I think that means you are getting 40 prime SEC games each year, or about 3.5 prime games per week. There will be too much TV money to not make that happen. I include UTjr for historical reasons - in any year we can only hope that UTjr/Arky/OM/MSU will prove to be a good 8th in the Big 8 of the SEC.

Current SEC system is the only thing that irks me when you hear the Georgia hasn’t played “insert team here” since 2010 and they’re in the same conference. That shit has to change

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

at random discretion or paired divisions?

overall conference standings

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[WhosYourDawggy]

Current SEC system is the only thing that irks me when you hear the Georgia hasn’t played “insert team here” since 2010 and they’re in the same conference. That shit has to change

To be clear, we played ATM in Athens 3 years ago. We just don't play them at their home until year 12 ... that's how it works when you rotate 6 teams, one each year. I can't wait to play Ole Miss, ATM, Arky every other year. Those are all great away games.

It's definitely going to change, the TV contract guarantees it. You guys will likely get Arkansas, Mizzou and UT every year. That is by far the weakest of the 4 pods. But, when you have a weak pod, you have a killer non-pod schedule. You will get something like UF, UGA, Auburn, UTjr in one year, and then LSU, Bama, ATM, Ole Miss the next (obviously you also play USCjr, Vandy, MSU, and Kentucky in some split). You should win your pod games every year, but you are going to have a hell of a non-pod schedule.

 

[Kevin12773]

To be clear, we played ATM in Athens 3 years ago. We just don't play them at their home until year 12 ... that's how it works when you rotate 6 teams, one each year. I can't wait to play Ole Miss, ATM, Arky every other year. Those are all great away games.

It's definitely going to change, the TV contract guarantees it. You guys will likely get Arkansas, Mizzou and UT every year. That is by far the weakest of the 4 pods. But, when you have a weak pod, you have a killer non-pod schedule. You will get something like UF, UGA, Auburn, UTjr in one year, and then LSU, Bama, ATM, Ole Miss the next (obviously you also play USCjr, Vandy, MSU, and Kentucky in some split). You should win your pod games every year, but you are going to have a hell of a non-pod schedule.

I’m ok with that. Just want to play everybody every other year at least

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I’m ok with that. Just want to play everybody every other year at least

I am 100% on board with you. I'm 62 and have been going to SEC football games for 50+ years. I have always enjoyed going to away games as much as home games. Something about being in the lion's den. Getting to Oxford, Red Stick/NOLA, Nashville, and now Norman and Austin will be great. In the SECE I got tired of going to Columbia, Knoxville, Lexington, etc. I will have better choices every year from now on.

 

[Thiefery]

Guess I can say FL/uga/SCe/Ky pod right now... would be "by far" the weakest pod too?

 

[Deep Creek]

The most important issue is not how many teams make a national playoff. The bigger issue is what happens if The Alliance (Big Ten, ACC and Pac 12) finally decides to go one way and the SEC and Big 12 go another way if they can't agree on a new structure for the college playoff. Who would you be pulling for?

I'm pulling for College Football. But I'm only a fan/spectator. It seems the participants (conferences, schools, media, players, etc) are in the a Scarcity versus Abundance mode or in the old Win/Lose one. They are definitely not in the Win/Win mindset and a lot closer to the Lose/Lose.