So what happens if CFP splits right down the middle?

[wazzu31]

That’s obviously false. The ACC and the SEC play one less conference game so that one game takes what would be 7 games of air time for the Big10 to 14 games of air time for the ACC and SEC.

The B1G has the most airtime on Saturdays which equals more tv time. The Pac 12 was completely against that when the original raid of the Big 12 was on and they are regretting the fuck out of it because we would’ve had the most airtime.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Actually -- if it were for 2021 -- #1 on the list for ratings generator would be Michigan. They were involved in the 1st, 3rd and 5th most watched games.

Also I just responded to your initial post where you stated "the other conferences need the SEC for those ratings games" if you backtracked and stated the B1G is in the same boat afterward -- I apologize, I didn't read the entire thread.

Michigan had an unusual year:

1. Michigan Ohio State - Well you can't discount Ohio State's contribution to the ratings
3. Championship games always pull big numbers no comp
5. Michigan vs Michigan State- Battle of the undefeated and even I watched that one

So a great year for Michigan but also not typical for the last 10 years.

The most consistent ratings come from Big SEC matchups, Ohio State and ND. The SEC is more attracted because they can have multiple big games going on at the same time that will pull over 3mm viewers.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Michigan had an unusual year:

1. Michigan Ohio State - Well you can't discount Ohio State's contribution to the ratings
3. Championship games always pull big numbers no comp
5. Michigan vs Michigan State- Battle of the undefeated and even I watched that one

So a great year for Michigan but also not typical for the last 10 years.

The most consistent ratings come from Big SEC matchups, Ohio State and ND. The SEC is more attracted because they can have multiple big games going on at the same time that will pull over 3mm viewers.

Agree -- just like it was unusual for Auburn to be in two games -- Bama carried them in one and playing a crossover with PSU carried the other.

When you say big SEC matchups -- you should simply say games involving Bama and Georgia. It'd make more sense that way.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

The B1G has the most airtime on Saturdays which equals more tv time. The Pac 12 was completely against that when the original raid of the Big 12 was on and they are regretting the fuck out of it because we would’ve had the most airtime.

The Pac will never have the tv contract other conferences have as you guys have games starting at 10 and 10:30 at night on the East Coast.

That hurts the PAC, as well as the quality of play recently.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Big 12 is dead after Texas and OU are gone. Even their championship game will struggle.

Texas and OU weren't in the Big 12 CG and it was the 7th most watched game. It was Oklahoma State and Baylor. Just saying.

 

[7samurai13]

The B1G has the most airtime on Saturdays which equals more tv time. The Pac 12 was completely against that when the original raid of the Big 12 was on and they are regretting the fuck out of it because we would’ve had the most airtime.

Link to anything on this claim because it makes no logical sense.

SEC/ACC has 8 weeks of 7 games and 4 weeks of 14 games. That is 112 game potential to be aired.

B1G has 9 weeks of 7 games and 3 weeks of 14 games. That is 105 games potential to be aired.

With the fact that the ACC and SEC playing their out of conference games throughout the year rather than just in the first 4 weeks like in the B1G it seems like it would be less game times overlapping for the ACC and SEC.

 

[OlyDuck]

The Pac will never have the tv contract other conferences have as you guys have games starting at 10 and 10:30 at night on the East Coast.

That hurts the PAC, as well as the quality of play recently.

quality of play is perception in a lot of cases. enough people say Pac plays bad so people start to see it that way.

7-6 vs 7-6 final score 31-24 49 total first downs. 467 to 491 yards. 3 total turnovers 69 total penalty yards
8-4 vs 7-6 26-22 42 total first downs 438 to 297 yards 1 turn over 124 penalty yards.

which one had better quality of play?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

this isnt entirely why. and its not that they play at crazy times its that the times are not really any different than the times east coast teams play in relation to the time zone. Kentucky vs Missouri was a 730 local kick time no different than UCLA vs Arizona. it just comes down to the fact that the local time is later relative to not local. Pac fans are more likely to watch games involving their team only vs SEC fans who will more likely watch any game on. also some fans like me will watch SEC games earlier in the day while waiting for the Oregon game. east coast fans are less likely to stay up even for a ranked match up of pac teams.

It isn't crazy for people on the West Coast, but people on the East Coast aren't planning their day around a 10 pm or 10:30 pm starting time. Most are either already out at the bar, hanging with friends or in bed by the time those games start.

Getting Riley from OU was huge for the PAC. It will bring more eyes on the conference. USC is the big draw in the PAC -- if they are down, so it only hurts the PAC. If Kelly can ever turn around UCLA, that'd be huge for them too.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

quality of play is perception in a lot of cases. enough people say Pac plays bad so people start to see it that way.

7-6 vs 7-6 final score 31-24 49 total first downs. 467 to 491 yards. 3 total turnovers 69 total penalty yards
8-4 vs 7-6 26-22 42 total first downs 438 to 297 yards 1 turn over 124 penalty yards.

which one had better quality of play?

when people talk about quality of play -- they are talking about the top teams in the conference. If a conference is relying on 7-6 teams to pull in the viewers for the conference -- you have issues.

as a whole -- the PAC has been down for quite a while. which brings me back to the importance of USC getting Lincoln Riley -- if he can turn USC around -- that will be great for the PAC.

 

[OlyDuck]

when people talk about quality of play -- they are talking about the top teams in the conference. If a conference is relying on 7-6 teams to pull in the viewers for the conference -- you have issues.

as a whole -- the PAC has been down for quite a while. which brings me back to the importance of USC getting Lincoln Riley -- if he can turn USC around -- that will be great for the PAC.

i wasnt saying Pac was relying on 7-6 teams. and sorry i got rushed to finish that post that was a Pac game and an SEC game compared.

 

[OlyDuck]

when people talk about quality of play -- they are talking about the top teams in the conference. If a conference is relying on 7-6 teams to pull in the viewers for the conference -- you have issues.

as a whole -- the PAC has been down for quite a while. which brings me back to the importance of USC getting Lincoln Riley -- if he can turn USC around -- that will be great for the PAC.

how long is quite a while? its viewed that way for a number of reasons 1 of which you stated yourself. USC down so people dont pay attention. Pac could have multiple teams with 10+ wins but if USC isnt one of them others see it as Pac is down.
I actually find the arguments funny. you will hear the talking heads say stuff like College football is better when Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan are good. but then they also say they want to see different teams make the playoff.

im a Pac fan and Lincoln Riley does nothing to entice me to watch USC any more than I already do.

 

[OlyDuck]

when people talk about quality of play -- they are talking about the top teams in the conference. If a conference is relying on 7-6 teams to pull in the viewers for the conference -- you have issues.

as a whole -- the PAC has been down for quite a while. which brings me back to the importance of USC getting Lincoln Riley -- if he can turn USC around -- that will be great for the PAC.

the top teams so like conference championship game?
the point differences for the CCGs were 28, 24, 39, and 17

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Texas and OU weren't in the Big 12 CG and it was the 7th most watched game. It was Oklahoma State and Baylor. Just saying.

Trust me, dig into the numbers for the B12 with and without OU and TX. It's ugly, really ugly. Pointing to one game isn't saying anything. The B12 is a G5 equivalent for football. The numbers don't lie.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

how long is quite a while? its viewed that way for a number of reasons 1 of which you stated yourself. USC down so people dont pay attention. Pac could have multiple teams with 10+ wins but if USC isnt one of them others see it as Pac is down.
I actually find the arguments funny. you will hear the talking heads say stuff like College football is better when Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan are good. but then they also say they want to see different teams make the playoff.

im a Pac fan and Lincoln Riley does nothing to entice me to watch USC any more than I already do.

I am one that says that all the time. I certainly don't mean Vandy and Kansas, although I enjoy it when there are good.

We can come up with a list of teams that might be able to win a NC and TX, USC, ND and Um would all be on it. That would be good for college football. Throw in a few more like FSU, Miami, Nebraska, UCLA and you have teams that have periods of greatness in the past ... them being good again would be good for CFB, IMO.

 

[OlyDuck]

I am one that says that all the time. I certainly don't mean Vandy and Kansas, although I enjoy it when there are good.

We can come up with a list of teams that might be able to win a NC and TX, USC, ND and Um would all be on it. That would be good for college football. Throw in a few more like FSU, Miami, Nebraska, UCLA and you have teams that have periods of greatness in the past ... them being good again would be good for CFB, IMO.

in the years where USC TX Nebraska Miami Florida State Michigan Notre Dame were down, in the years before Clemson and UGA came on, and Alabama pre Saban in any of those years did I enjoy college football less.

 

[OlyDuck]

@WhosYourDawggy meant to quote you again here but now it wont let me

in the years where USC TX Nebraska Miami Florida State Michigan Notre Dame were down, in the years before Clemson and UGA came on, and Alabama pre Saban in any of those years did I enjoy college football less.

If the playoff was UCLA, Michigan State, Oklahoma State and Auburn next year all at perfect or 1 loss seasons, followed by Stanford, Penn State, Tennessee, and UNC in 23 again perfect or 1 loss each i would enjoy it just the same as with Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama and USC

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

the top teams so like conference championship game?
the point differences for the CCGs were 28, 24, 39, and 17

Like your top teams drawing millions of viewers when they play, like Bama does, like Georgia does, like Michigan does, like Ohio State does. Not just CCG's. That is why the B1G and SEC get big TV deals. The PAC doesn't have one team that draws like that. USC might be able to get there if they are elite again, but that is it for the PAC.

There is a reason out of the top 12 games -- the only game the PAC has anyone involved in the game was Oregon/Ohio State.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

in the years where USC TX Nebraska Miami Florida State Michigan Notre Dame were down, in the years before Clemson and UGA came on, and Alabama pre Saban in any of those years did I enjoy college football less.

Nothing personal but my position has nothing to do with what you, 1 person, thinks and more with the general health of the sport. There is or was Bama/Clemson/tOSU/OU fatigue. It's mostly Bama fatigue. Having other programs healthy won't keep the best from winning, but it will make the sport more enjoyable. Who doesn't want more better games.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

@WhosYourDawggy meant to quote you again here but now it wont let me


If the playoff was UCLA, Michigan State, Oklahoma State and Auburn next year all at perfect or 1 loss seasons, followed by Stanford, Penn State, Tennessee, and UNC in 23 again perfect or 1 loss each i would enjoy it just the same as with Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama and USC

Again, you are one person. I think it's pretty obvious that the scenario you paint would be far more exciting than the same teams year in and year out. The NFL is the king. There is a reason they drive parity in their league.

 

[wazzu31]

The Pac will never have the tv contract other conferences have as you guys have games starting at 10 and 10:30 at night on the East Coast.

That hurts the PAC, as well as the quality of play recently.

I know they won’t now. But they would’ve at the time when the raid of the Big 12 was first negotiated. The quality of play is directly a result of the fail of the Big 12 raid and the terrible negotiations that followed.