I keep waiting for that. But there are only about 30 that really "bring the bacon".
So what happens if CFP splits right down the middle?
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That ain't just the PAC 12...at least recently. We heard the same thing for Ohio State in the B1G, Oklahoma in the Big 12 and Clemson in the ACC when all were winning a gazillion conference titles in a row...prior to this year. None of those three won this year.
I agree but I'm going to ask a question. Why do those "other teams" get a seat at the big boy table just like the blue bloods when schools like Cincy, Boise, etc do not?
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Money, and they aren't big boys and money and the big boys control it all. Basically, the billions were generated by the P5, not the G5. The G5 will have to take the scraps the P5 offers them. Just speaking the truth, not saying right or wrong.
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Because those other teams play a big boy schedule. Cincy and Boise do not.
No, the billions were generated by SOME of the P5 schools. There ain't a lot of demand for ALL of 'em....other than some regional demand. You think there is widespread demand for Wazzou vs Cal? No fucking way.
Only because they are in the conference with 'em. Those other teams don't bring the bacon. If you think so I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale.
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Yes, but playing a big boy schedule gets you big boy perks. If teams like Boise and Cincy want those type of perks, they can't schedule one OOC game and then play a cupcake schedule and expect to get rewarded for it.
Here is the issue for them though -- they have to decide if it is better for the school to be a big fish in a weaker pond or just another fish in the big boy pond.
It is why G5 schools should simply have their own national championship.
Either I'm not being clear or you ain't hearin' what I'm saying. It ain't got nuttin' to do with playing a big boy schedule or not. Hell, Cincy played Notre Dame this year...and the ratings for that game were high because of Notre Dame. Cincy played Indiana too, but those ratings weren't near as high. Notre Dame brings the bacon, Indiana doesn't. But Indiana sure gets to cash a great big check, even though they don't bring the eyeballs.
The only reason those P5 leeches are playing a big boy schedule (and reaping the financial benefits) is because they were in the conferences BEFORE the money got big. And the networks ain't paying big money for them. They are paying big money for the big names....the ones that draw national attention...not regional. Had the likes of Cincy and Boise been in those conferences from the onset, they'd be the big fat leeches.
You think the leftover 8 would have benefitted to the same level financially had they not been in a conference with OU and Texas the past years? Iowa State, Texas Tech, etal's payouts are going to go down significantly when OU and Texas leave. If Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State left the B1G, the other schools would also suffer a similar fate. So would other conferences. Networks ain't payin' a lot to broadcast Minnesota vs Purdue but they're willing to put up with those type games in order to show games like Minnesota vs Ohio State.
I agree G5s should be a separate division. But they'd get less money for their playoffs than they are from the big boys right now. And Cincy was better than 60% of the P5 schools this year. And they did it with a fraction of the money.
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I understand what you are saying. The difference between Cincy and say, Indiana, is Indiana plays the big boys every year. Not a random OOC game. Also, Indiana, while they may not bring the eyes for football -- they more than do so for basketball, so that is why they are in the B1G. Conferences align for more than just football -- it is just they get to reap the rewards of football.
And it has everything to do with playing a big boy schedule. That's great Cincy played ND once -- they also played OSU and lost 42-0 the year prior or maybe it was 2019 (not positive) -- the fact of the matter is -- it is a completely different ball game when you have to play big time teams multiple times a year and in some cases, in back to back or 3 weeks in a row.
If Cincy and Boise want to be on the same level as P5 teams -- they need to try and get an invite into a p5 conference. Until then -- it will take an extraordinary circumstances to get invited to the CFP, which happened this year. It will be few and far between though.
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That's fair, but they were in the conferences that created the wealth. Vandy, as an example, has been terrible for a century, but was great at the beginning of the SEC, has historically been good at basketball and baseball. Part of a P5 conference that got football where it is today ... the G% did not do that.
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But Indiana was a big part of the B1G hoops, which is part of what made that P5 conference different than the G5. So, while they aren't great at football, they are part of the conference that is great at football. Maybe I don't get your argument, but all conferences have to have some teams that aren't as good as others. But, they were part of building what the P5 has done. The G5 teams weren't.
I do think that if they could get some P5 money, them being their own division would be the way to go.
What I’m trying to convey is that many P5 teams aren’t any more attractive to a national audience than some G5s are…unless they are playing the big names in their conference. Only then do they become attractive. They are ugly girls unless they are brought to the dance by their better looking conference date!
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what about Rice, TCU, SMU, Houston and the southwest conference?
or Big East schools?
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What about them? They don't create the value, or weren't in conferences that could stay together.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying about the low end P5 not being the proximate cause of the P5 wealth development. But I don't see where it is applicable to a discussion as to why the G5 isn't at the adults table.
The core of the main conferences have been around for a century. It was the conferences that created the wealth that we are talking about. The G5 conferences were not an influence in developing that wealth. Is it true that Vandy, Duke, or NW, as examples, weren't the major movers inside their conferences? That is true, but it doesn't then mean that because Vandy sucks at football the G5 gets to move to the adults table. For whatever reason, Vandy has been at the adults table for a century and in their own way contributed to the wealth. Were they free riders? Sure. That doesn't mean that the P5 has to allow the G5 to be free riders. The first thing being true doesn't make the second thing true.
At the end of the day there is a huge economic imbalance between P5 and G5, however we got there, and however the P5 conferences are constituted. That isn't going to magically go away. The P5 is under no obligation to make it go away. In some ways, the G5 is lucky the P5 wants to continue to subsidize their budgets. It may not always be that way.
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but they were with schools that helped build up to P5. thats why some of them like Louisville and TCU got in to a P5
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Good for them. But what does that have to do with the G5 wanting a place at the adults table. I thought that is what we were talking about.
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so good for some but not all? you say they didnt help shape things when some who have been left out did. Louisville, Utah, TCU all moved up just fine. now Houston, UCF and Cinci all got invites too. what are you afraid will happen if they get a seat at the table?
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I hate a mooch. The G5 stands there with its hand out demanding "entitlements" when the exact opposite should be happening. A school like TCU came from way behind to be a legitimate candidate to join the Big XII because they scheduled right, spent a lot of money, improved their facilities, kept their nose clean and developed a culture over many years that made then deserve an elevated status in CFP. They are a shining example of how other schools should improve their lot in life. The G5 standing there with a tin cup in its hand is tiresome and it is going to get even worse as financial conditions in college football change enormously. Everyone hates on OU and Texas right now for moving to the SEC. Put aside the very real possibility that either or both of us may have a hard time winning as many games as we'd like in the SEC. But like most things in life, it all came down to the Benjamins. And sharing those hard earned Benjamins because someone else is whining is pointless. If you got the tit pulled out of your mouth, then go tell someone who cares but it won't be the schools who are pulling most of the weight in TV ratings. I'd actually like to see the mooch schools that have a P5 status start to take some financial hits too if they can't/won't improve their contributions to the existing conferences. /rant off