The Athletic reporting on NIL craziness ...

I love how Auburn just named their group:

NIL-Auburn

Straight to the point, no fancy name :pound:
 
Volbound1700 said:
The arms race has started. Tennessee boosters were talking about how bad their NIL was in the 2022 class. Looks like they turned that around in a hurry.
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The problem for UTjr is that everyone else is doing it. As soon as the craziness settles down - giving someone $8 million as a stupid fucking example, you dumbasses - then it'll be back to who can develop you for the NFL, who has the best facilities, who can win a NC, best college experience, a preferred major, and other normal factors. I suppose that at that point a school that needs WRs could tell their NIL to concentrate on WRs, but at the end of the day those that have been doing well will continue to do so.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The problem for UTjr is that everyone else is doing it. As soon as the craziness settles down - giving someone $8 million as a stupid fucking example, you dumbasses - then it'll be back to who can develop you for the NFL, who has the best facilities, who can win a NC, best college experience, a preferred major, and other normal factors. I suppose that at that point a school that needs WRs could tell their NIL to concentrate on WRs, but at the end of the day those that have been doing well will continue to do so.
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I disagree. People are going to up the ante even more. $ 2 Million a year is easily recoverable off merchandise selling. Bryce Young was already making $ 1 Mil per year at Alabama just last year and they were bragging about how much that was. Even Saban was talking about it.

I am not trying to be mean, but I get a sense of sour grapes here about it.

The biggest risk Tennessee has is paying the guy and then he doesn't pan out. Jarrett Guarantano and Harrison Bailey were both very high 4 stars and top 5 QBs. Neither did anything in Knoxville.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I disagree. People are going to up the ante even more. $ 2 Million a year is easily recoverable off merchandise selling. Bryce Young was already making $ 1 Mil per year at Alabama just last year and they were bragging about how much that was. Even Saban was talking about it.

I am not trying to be mean, but I get a sense of sour grapes here about it.

The biggest risk Tennessee has is paying the guy and then he doesn't pan out. Jarrett Guarantano and Harrison Bailey were both very high 4 stars and top 5 QBs. Neither did anything in Knoxville.
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if he becomes as good as you guys hope..8 mil will have been a bargain. But what happens if he doesn't live up to those expectations? And if he leaves, the media will throw even more light with the clause of his contract that shows he cannot get new NIL deals without them getting a cut/approval, elsewhere.

slippery slope but this comes off as desperation, if only because of the way they have announced this publicly. (BTW TN collectives are all shooting down that they are the ones providing this, seems like they don't want to be associated with this deal)
 
Are incentive-based NIL deals allowed?

If not, there will be.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I disagree. People are going to up the ante even more. $ 2 Million a year is easily recoverable off merchandise selling. Bryce Young was already making $ 1 Mil per year at Alabama just last year and they were bragging about how much that was. Even Saban was talking about it.

I am not trying to be mean, but I get a sense of sour grapes here about it.

The biggest risk Tennessee has is paying the guy and then he doesn't pan out. Jarrett Guarantano and Harrison Bailey were both very high 4 stars and top 5 QBs. Neither did anything in Knoxville.
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LOL, you being "mean." Dude, there are no sour grapes here. We just won the NC. We will have a top 3 class again in 2023. We are going to get the no. 1 rated QB, you just bought the no. 4 QB. We have two 5* QBs on our roster already, plus the QB that just lead us to the NC. Sour grapes, sheesh.

Do you honestly think that you guys can outspend UGA or Bama, or any of the other big boy programs? The only thing you guys are ahead of the curve on is (1) being stupid enough to talk about it publicly, and (2) way overpaying for the no. 4 QB in the 2023 class.

My point that you missed is that if you are doing it, everyone else is or will be doing it. Then when everyone is doing it it isn't special any more and you won't have an advantage. And that isn't even taking into consideration that you guys will likely fuck it up because your administration fucks everything up. Right now all you have done is pay $8 million for a rising senior in high school who may or may not be worth a shit.
 
FFS, is anyone surprised this has gotten out of hand and quickly?

You could see this coming miles and miles away
 
Thiefery said:
if he becomes as good as you guys hope..8 mil will have been a bargain. But what happens if he doesn't live up to those expectations? And if he leaves, the media will throw even more light with the clause of his contract that shows he cannot get new NIL deals without them getting a cut/approval, elsewhere.

slippery slope but this comes off as desperation, if only because of the way they have announced this publicly. (BTW TN collectives are all shooting down that they are the ones providing this, seems like they don't want to be associated with this deal)
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UTjr fucks up everything ... it's the way they are. I mean let's talk to The Athletic and give them interviews and show them the contract and brag about our collective and how much money we are raising. But, make sure they don't actually print the name of anyone. Where could that possibly go wrong? As if people on the Internet didn't have it figured out in about 5 minutes who this was. LOL. I wouldn't be surprised if the contract was delivered in a McDonalds bag.

Your point about the way the NIL is drafted is very good. The Athletic article on this had some quotes that these agreements are very much like the music industry contracts where new artists, not knowing better and without representation, sign away their rights. It wouldn't surprise me if the collective here tries to say we have your rights even if you go pro. This is a shit storm waiting to happen ... right over Knoxville, who would have thought it.
 
ThePeoplesChicken said:
FFS, is anyone surprised this has gotten out of hand and quickly?

You could see this coming miles and miles away
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I was writing posts on sports boards back in 2019 that this was where it was going. I wrote that a group of us from the Rivals forums could all put in a grand and buy some players, or that T Boone Pickens (or his estate) could donate some of the 300 million he gave the school to an OkSU entity for NIL. And here we are. No pat on the back expected, as you said we could see this miles away.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I disagree. People are going to up the ante even more. $ 2 Million a year is easily recoverable off merchandise selling. Bryce Young was already making $ 1 Mil per year at Alabama just last year and they were bragging about how much that was. Even Saban was talking about it.
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I missed this part ... GTFOH with that ... none of this is related to actual return on investment. Do you know how many T-shirts or autographs you have to sell to make $2 million? Remember, they don't get 100% of the cost of the T-shirt ... they get a small percentage. It all has to be licensed and the player will get some but not $2 million worth. This has nothing to do with actual market dynamics. This is, plain and simple, a way to pay players. Basically it's an above board, legal, Bagman v. 2.0. And I am all for players getting paid ... they just have to figure out the guardrails.
 
fordman84 said:
damn poor schools are going to ruin it for everyone.
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Ain't it the truth ... they couldn't do it as stealthy as you guys and then have Jimbo stand up there and deny the obvious. I actually have some respect for that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Ain't it the truth ... they couldn't do it as stealthy as you guys and then have Jimbo stand up there and deny the obvious. I actually have some respect for that.
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Arthur Andersen entered the chat long ago :suds:
 
Thiefery said:
if he becomes as good as you guys hope..8 mil will have been a bargain. But what happens if he doesn't live up to those expectations? And if he leaves, the media will throw even more light with the clause of his contract that shows he cannot get new NIL deals without them getting a cut/approval, elsewhere.

slippery slope but this comes off as desperation, if only because of the way they have announced this publicly. (BTW TN collectives are all shooting down that they are the ones providing this, seems like they don't want to be associated with this deal)
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Possibly, but, as pointed out, Alabama was really public as well about how much Bryce Young was making last year.

Also situations are different, I think there needs to be this positive vibe around Tennessee athletics. I think Nico is going to bring friends and going public was really a recruiting tactic to get more players. It isn't even just about money, it is about, "hey we got this big name QB so come here and play with the top talent."
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I missed this part ... GTFOH with that ... none of this is related to actual return on investment. Do you know how many T-shirts or autographs you have to sell to make $2 million? Remember, they don't get 100% of the cost of the T-shirt ... they get a small percentage. It all has to be licensed and the player will get some but not $2 million worth. This has nothing to do with actual market dynamics. This is, plain and simple, a way to pay players. Basically it's an above board, legal, Bagman v. 2.0. And I am all for players getting paid ... they just have to figure out the guardrails.
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If you sold shirts at $ 5 each (or made $ 5 profit on $ 7 shirts), that is 200k shirts. Very achievable.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
LOL, you being "mean." Dude, there are no sour grapes here. We just won the NC. We will have a top 3 class again in 2023. We are going to get the no. 1 rated QB, you just bought the no. 4 QB. We have two 5* QBs on our roster already, plus the QB that just lead us to the NC. Sour grapes, sheesh.

Do you honestly think that you guys can outspend UGA or Bama, or any of the other big boy programs? The only thing you guys are ahead of the curve on is (1) being stupid enough to talk about it publicly, and (2) way overpaying for the no. 4 QB in the 2023 class.

My point that you missed is that if you are doing it, everyone else is or will be doing it. Then when everyone is doing it it isn't special any more and you won't have an advantage. And that isn't even taking into consideration that you guys will likely fuck it up because your administration fucks everything up. Right now all you have done is pay $8 million for a rising senior in high school who may or may not be worth a shit.
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On paper, you guys should be worried about the other UT once they come over than the UT in Knoxville. They are the leading $$$ generator in the sport and have the biggest boosters. I think UT-Austin coming to the SEC is going to end up being a brilliant move for them and solve a lot of their issues in the Big12 in the long run.

Honestly, I do think you are worried. You wouldn't be posting about it so much if you were not.

I also don't see how UT going public is any different than Alabama and Saban bragging about the $ 1 Million Bryce Young made last year and talking about how much it was and how great an NIL benefit it was for him. It seems like sour grapes because now Tennessee has a QB that is making $ 2 Million. The situations are pretty much the same only Tennessee was able to up the ante over Alabama.

Also, in the other thread you say it was 100% about money. If that was the case, why didn't Nico wait it out to play at more successful programs Alabama/Georgia if they were not going to pay more? Obviously there was also other intangibles that made him want to play for Heupel. Was money the top factor? I would say yes. However, it wasn't the only factor because I am sure he could have found a similar contract at another school.
 
Volbound1700 said:
If you sold shirts at $ 5 each (or made $ 5 profit on $ 7 shirts), that is 200k shirts. Very achievable.
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No one sells shirts for $5. T-shirts are $25 or higher. Also, your math is off. You are paying him 2 million. That means you need to sell 400,000 shirts. But no one is buying 200,000 or 400,000 T-shirts for one player. By the way, that's for year one. You going to sell 200K or 400K more in each of the next 3 years?

Absent him becoming the most popular player of all time - think Tebow - the amount you are paying him is to go to UTjr. There isn't the market demand for that amount of money.
 
Volbound1700 said:
On paper, you guys should be worried about the other UT once they come over than the UT in Knoxville. They are the leading $$$ generator in the sport and have the biggest boosters. I think UT-Austin coming to the SEC is going to end up being a brilliant move for them and solve a lot of their issues in the Big12 in the long run.

Honestly, I do think you are worried. You wouldn't be posting about it so much if you were not.

I also don't see how UT going public is any different than Alabama and Saban bragging about the $ 1 Million Bryce Young made last year and talking about how much it was and how great an NIL benefit it was for him. It seems like sour grapes because now Tennessee has a QB that is making $ 2 Million. The situations are pretty much the same only Tennessee was able to up the ante over Alabama.

Also, in the other thread you say it was 100% about money. If that was the case, why didn't Nico wait it out to play at more successful programs Alabama/Georgia if they were not going to pay more? Obviously there was also other intangibles that made him want to play for Heupel. Was money the top factor? I would say yes. However, it wasn't the only factor because I am sure he could have found a similar contract at another school.
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"Honestly, I do think you are worried. You wouldn't be posting about it so much if you were not." - let's get this out of the way first. GTFOH with that ... it's a sports board, and we talk sports stuff here. You really want to get me talking, talk CFP expansion.

The fact you bought the no. 4 QB for 8 million does not worry me. In fact you should have seen me post here on many times that I am for NIL, free agency and CFP expansion because I think it will drive parity in CFB. That cuts against my team because the way we have been recruiting, the status quo would have been fine by me. But I think it is better for the sport if the talent is spread out more. I made that argument before we won the natty, and stand by it.

I made my point clear that you keep ignoring ... you may think you are out ahead of this but either (1) you way overpaid, or (2) we will all be doing this in the a future. We have a collective, too. Everyone does or will. And we have rich donors. Hell, we've been accused of illegally buying all our players, why do you think we would stop now that it's legal? So either you guys screwed up, or everyone will be doing what you are doing which means that once the pay to play is neutralized it will go back to what it was before ... who will develop you, get a natty, etc. We are doing quite fine in all those things.

I fully expect UT and OU to do well in the SEC. That said, there is something that has caused both UTs to be totally dysfunctional the past few 15 years or so. You guys have to figure how to get the hell out of your own way.

What Saban said and what you guys have gone on the records with the Athletics aren't on the same planet. We've announced all sorts of NIL. That's not a problem. You guys just went way beyond the pale basically saying what everyone else is doing but not saying. If you are proud that you outbid Bama for a kid that hasn't even played a game, well good on you, there goes good ole UTjr being UTjr.

You keep trying to convince me that my argument is sour grapes. We have 19 5* on our roster. You just added one. One that isn't as good as the 5* QB that we are likely leading for right now. And we have 2 5* on our roster already. Why in the world would I be sour grapes? You need a whole lot more players like your new guy, and you need him to meet all the expectations, and he won't even be there for 2 years ... not a worry in the world, I assure you.

You really don't think it was the money. Dude.
 
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