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I personally think we should dump Vanderbilt and add Oklahoma State. Vanderbilt adds nothing with its 40k football stadium that it cannot even fill up.
GTFO ... we are a founding member of the SEC and aren't going anywhere. We are just as likely to dump UTjr as Vandy. Broaden your thought process as to what makes up a conference and why. Vanderbilt will leave the SEC when it wants to.
 
I mean, we won as many big12 titles as you but in fewer years. Then we took our destiny in our own hands instead of hoping another school would always look out for us. A&M being able to see that other schools look out for themselves, rightfully so, is what made us jump to a better league when we had the chance. You should have done the same instead of being relegated to essentially a G5 conference now.
You think the SEC or the B1G would have taken Oklahoma State had they wanted to do the same? No way they bring and equal cache to the table that A&M did. And they probably couldn't even bring it to the level Mizzou did...but at least that one would be closer.
 
Mizzu was the one that started the wheels of realignment, they had been lifting their skirts towards the BiG for a while. They wanted to be there, unfortunately for them.. Nebraska saw this and reached out to see if the BiG would take them in. Mizzu got a saved by the SEC, who needed another school to pair with aggy. I don't think the SEC values them like the others.. made them play in the East despite sitting in the West.

I'm pretty sure that if the BiG would ever answer, they'd jump immediately

Yup, I get the want to add bigger TV markets. I would have viewed Oklahoma as a secondary TV market but a better team with a better rivalry.

I think Mizzou to the B1G was strongly considered, but was never a move the B1G felt like they were forced to do to compete so they kept their options open. Serious inquiries were made towards UT and others. I remember some tires were kicked around the prospects of bringing in UT and OU, though that dream never really got off the ground stages. When Nebraska came calling, it was a better brand and was an easy decision for the conference. Rutgers was a head scratcher, but they basically got in because the B1G wanted to add Maryland and needed a 2nd school to pair them with. If Mizzou was available then, I think they could have gotten in. I thought Kansas was also a possibility at one point...maybe it still is since the B12 doesn't seem long for this world as a major conference.

The current conference footprints of both the SEC and B1G feel a little weird. Too big. I guess it'll feel even weirder if the B1G goes to Cali. At the end of the day, travel is about the least of the big conferences' concerns it seems.
 
I personally think we should dump Vanderbilt and add Oklahoma State. Vanderbilt adds nothing with its 40k football stadium that it cannot even fill up.

Show me you don't understand what makes a member school valuable without telling me outright.
 
You think the SEC or the B1G would have taken Oklahoma State had they wanted to do the same? No way they bring and equal cache to the table that A&M did. And they probably couldn't even bring it to the level Mizzou did...but at least that one would be closer.
I think getting Texas TV market was the ultimate goal. Between OkSt and Mizzou seems like a toss up to me.
 
I think getting Texas TV market was the ultimate goal. Between OkSt and Mizzou seems like a toss up to me.
And get into the Texas recruiting grounds. OkStU was always seen as a package deal with OU. I am not sure OSU would have left without OU, and now are being left behind.
 
And get into the Texas recruiting grounds. OkStU was always seen as a package deal with OU. I am not sure OSU would have left without OU, and now are being left behind.
I always assumed that to outsiders A&M was viewed as a package deal with Jexas right up until we weren't. That's how it was always discussed before, "If Texas leaves they will take A&M with them" with it even being discussed that the state legislature would require it. Well, that didn't sit well with us since we know how Jexas operates. So we took care of ourselves. OkSt should have listened to us.
 
I think getting Texas TV market was the ultimate goal. Between OkSt and Mizzou seems like a toss up to me.
I agree the Texas TV market was the plum. While maybe a smaller plum, getting the Aggie faithful wasn't anything to sneeze at. In 1989 I was driving on I-10 and met a long string of maroon vehicles flying the 12th man flag headed to EP to play Pitt in the Sun Bowl. Ags travel. Okie Lite or Mizzou don't bring anything even close to that to the table. That said, I'll give a tip of the hat to Oklahoms State. They put forth the effort in trying to constantly improve and compete.
 
GTFO ... we are a founding member of the SEC and aren't going anywhere. We are just as likely to dump UTjr as Vandy. Broaden your thought process as to what makes up a conference and why. Vanderbilt will leave the SEC when it wants to.

Dude, where are you? MTSU has more fans at their game every Saturday than Vanderbilt. Their attendance is a joke.
 
GTFO ... we are a founding member of the SEC and aren't going anywhere. We are just as likely to dump UTjr as Vandy. Broaden your thought process as to what makes up a conference and why. Vanderbilt will leave the SEC when it wants to.
You're too young to be thinking old school. The thought process is narrowing and may be in full stenosis at this point. Money is the only reason conferences look to expand. Either through media contracts or research dollars. They may try to spin it in another direction, but I haven't seen one willing to take on new schools that will drop their money making potential....unless they are in desperation mode and trying to survive!
 
Show me you don't understand what makes a member school valuable without telling me outright.

Literally, what does Vanderbilt add to the SEC? They have NO Fanbase what to speak of and they haven't won at any major sport other than Baseball which is barely above College Olympic Sports when it comes to TV appearances and attendance.

Sure, I get the Academics, but this isn't the Academic Conference. If it was, SEC would add Rhodes College in Memphis, Emory and Henry in Atlanta, bring back Tulane, add Washington U in St Louis, and bring back Sewanee.
 
How long does anyone think Muleshoe would last at USC if he had to travel across multiple time zones to go play Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, etc. on the road? It would be a far cry from the day when he just mosied north and south across the Great Plains to go the beat the shit out of teams in the Big XII or will soon be sashaying up and down the West Coast to play his conference opponents in the Pac12. Tougher Travel + Tougher Opponents = Gone.
 
How long does anyone think Muleshoe would last at USC if he had to travel across multiple time zones to go play Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, etc. on the road? It would be a far cry from the day when he just mosied north and south across the Great Plains to go the beat the shit out of teams in the Big XII or will soon be sashaying up and down the West Coast to play his conference opponents in the Pac12. Tougher Travel + Tougher Opponents = Gone.
He may not last anyway if he doesn't bring USC back to the glory years.
 
Literally, what does Vanderbilt add to the SEC? They have NO Fanbase what to speak of and they haven't won at any major sport other than Baseball which is barely above College Olympic Sports when it comes to TV appearances and attendance.

Sure, I get the Academics, but this isn't the Academic Conference. If it was, SEC would add Rhodes College in Memphis, Emory and Henry in Atlanta, bring back Tulane, add Washington U in St Louis, and bring back Sewanee.
Academic prestige, baseball which is a top 3 men's sport, women's tennis and bowling. They are an easy win, which every conference needs - you can't have a conference with nothing but top 25 teams - that should be obvious. We have Nashville, one of the best away game destinations. We also have history. As for the future, we are undergoing a 300 million dollar upgrade to facilities, and have a new Chancellor who is supportive of sports. First in a while. Like I clearly stated above, Vanderbilt is in the SEC and isn't going anywhere unlesss they want to. Get used to it.
 
Dude, where are you? MTSU has more fans at their game every Saturday than Vanderbilt. Their attendance is a joke.
And yet Vanderbilt will be in the SEC for as long as we want to be in the SEC and you Vols can't do a damn thing about it. Just because you are our little brothers, your whining about Vandy won't get you anything.
 
You're too young to be thinking old school. The thought process is narrowing and may be in full stenosis at this point. Money is the only reason conferences look to expand. Either through media contracts or research dollars. They may try to spin it in another direction, but I haven't seen one willing to take on new schools that will drop their money making potential....unless they are in desperation mode and trying to survive!
I am not sure what Vanderbilt has to do with expansion. We are already in the SEC. I agree with your assessment that it's all about money when adding teams, but you aren't adding Vanderbilt.
 
Literally, what does Vanderbilt add to the SEC? They have NO Fanbase what to speak of and they haven't won at any major sport other than Baseball which is barely above College Olympic Sports when it comes to TV appearances and attendance.

Sure, I get the Academics, but this isn't the Academic Conference. If it was, SEC would add Rhodes College in Memphis, Emory and Henry in Atlanta, bring back Tulane, add Washington U in St Louis, and bring back Sewanee.

You obviously don't. Part of the reason the B1G is such a powerhouse conference is because they have a powerful academic consortium they leverage to acquire research grant money. The SEC has something similar, but they are much newer to that side of things. If they want their academic alliance to rival what the B1G has, then they need schools like Vandy to both set the standard for the conference's academics and to give the rest of the institutions credibility by association. The SEC can leverage the funds and recognition their member schools get from their athletic success to enhance their academic prestige...which is exactly what school presidents want.
 
Dude, where are you? MTSU has more fans at their game every Saturday than Vanderbilt. Their attendance is a joke.
I just looked that up and your are full of shit. Now, I am not proud of our attendance, and we are certainly subject to criticism for it. But bring facts when you want to talk shit about my beloved Dores (ok, kidding on that).

2018:
MTSU fell short of drawing 10,000 fans to any football game during the 2018 season, according to information obtained by an open records request by USA TODAY Network – Tennessee.

The average tickets scanned for five regular-season games MTSU hosted was 8,038. That's down from the 2017 average of 8,428 reported by the Wall Street Journal.


Vandy 2021, which is pathetic:

ETSU - 22,029
Stanford - 21,124
Georgia - 32,178
UConn - 21, 218
Mississippi State - 22, 036
Missouri - 19.821
Kentucky - 25,798

Really surprised they didn't sell out for UGA ... we normally fill that place.
 
I just looked that up and your are full of shit. Now, I am not proud of our attendance, and we are certainly subject to criticism for it. But bring facts when you want to talk shit about my beloved Dores (ok, kidding on that).

2018:
MTSU fell short of drawing 10,000 fans to any football game during the 2018 season, according to information obtained by an open records request by USA TODAY Network – Tennessee.

The average tickets scanned for five regular-season games MTSU hosted was 8,038. That's down from the 2017 average of 8,428 reported by the Wall Street Journal.


Vandy 2021, which is pathetic:

ETSU - 22,029
Stanford - 21,124
Georgia - 32,178
UConn - 21, 218
Mississippi State - 22, 036
Missouri - 19.821
Kentucky - 25,798

Really surprised they didn't sell out for UGA ... we normally fill that place.

I'd imagine Vandy is a great destination for away fans.
- Its in a nice area and Nashville is right there if you want to go to town.
- Your team will most likely win
 
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