Missouri was always a 'head scratcher' to me.
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I get that it's a new market for the SEC and needed someone unhappy with Big12 to balance East vs West. But getting Okie St would have been a much bigger get. If nothing else the migration tears down two Big12 rivalries instead of just one.
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You would be wrong. While Missouri has been a letdown in sports, they are the only team in a fairly populous state that includes St Louis and Kansas City. They will likely always have a landing spot. They added a lot of $$$ to the SEC. Oklahoma State's issue is the Oklahoma Sooners. Oklahoma is not as populous of a state and there is already a big-time program that they live in the shadow of.
That being said, Oklahoma State was just as competitive in the Big12 as Texas A&M. In 2012, they got jobbed out of a National Title Appearance. Oklahoma State has won several titles in Men's Basketball as well. With limited resources, they have done a lot. Compare that to Texas A&M who is one of the biggest letdown programs out there (no offense). You guys have far more resources than even my Volunteers and yet you haven't won the SEC West, only won the Big12 once (1998) and that was when OU and Texas were terrible, you haven't had a National title since the 1930s, and you choke and lost your last matchup against Texas back in 2011.
You also have never advanced past a Sweet 16 in Basketball and I think you only have one ever. You are the #2 revenue generating program. You should have accomplished far more with the resources that you have in place. I think Jimbo Fisher has you going in the right trajectory if your fanbase can have patience. You needed a solid QB last year and that hurt you. Not sure what happened with Kevin Sumlin, he seemed like he could have taken you to next level but then epically failed with late season collapses. All of the good will you built in your first season in the SEC with Johnny Manziel and the upset win over Alabama was just squandered.
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I personally think we should dump Vanderbilt and add Oklahoma State. Vanderbilt adds nothing with its 40k football stadium that it cannot even fill up.
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St Louis and Kansas City say hi. That and having no other in-state rival.
I personally thought we would have got West Virginia making East/West split better. Poor West Virginia... they are always the big program left out. I think that happens when you don't have a great reputation.
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I think it has to do more with having that easier win on their schedule every year. That is the way the big SEC programs think unfortunately.
Vanderbilt was also integral in the formation of the SEC (they were a solid program back then) so they have that history. However, they definitely don't seem like SEC material these days. They have actually been better in sports the last 15 years than normal (with the exception of Basketball). If I was Vanderbilt's administration, I would have thrown all of the energy into Men's Basketball and tried to become the Duke of the SEC. The league isn't very strong in Men's Basketball (it is probably the SEC's worse sport) and Vanderbilt can fill Memorial Gymnasium so it is a sport they can win at. Sadly, they are at the bottom half of the SEC in that sport as well both all-time and currently.
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I never said you weren't worthy. I said you are underachieving, especially compared to Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State has punched well above its weight while A&M is bowing out early. We have unachieved as well but not to the extent of Texas A&M. A&M has 70 years of underachievement. You played in the Southwest for years and never won a title there despite having only two major programs on your schedule (Arkansas and Texas).
Tennessee is a top 10 all-time football program and you are barely in top 25. This in spite of the fact that you make significantly more money than Tennessee, had far greater opportunities (especially playing in the weak Southwest), and live in a recruiting hotbed.
Not trying to troll, I am just pointing out that Cowboy fans have far more to be happy about than Aggies. Don't get me wrong, I think your program is on the upswing but to say you haven't underachieved is crazy.
Also, Tennessee is in the "Easier" division but has to still play Alabama every year along with Florida and Georgia. We generally beat the rest of the teams in the East (we have winning records against Kentucky, Vandy, and South Carolina over the 10 year span and I think we are either 5-5 or 6-4 against Missouri). Tennessee has struggled against Alabama and Georgia similar how everyone has struggled against them including your Aggies who haven't faired that much better. I will give a little on Florida in that Tennessee chokes against them constantly. As a fan, when I watch games, typically most season the game where we make the most mistakes and don't play well is Florida. They have some kind of hex over us and, in my opinion, it has been one of the MAIN reasons our program has fallen flat over the last 10-15 years. It is an embarrassing blackeye for the program and I give you that. (It is also typically our first SEC game and sets the tone for the early part of the season).
Also Aggies and Tennessee both haven't done much in 10 years. Aggies might have a few more wins but they haven't won any championships. The big difference is that I am not on here trashing an Oklahoma State fan saying they should have done more when my program is massively underachieving like your program.
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Don't know about anyone else, but there is where I stopped reading. 17 SWC titles just don't exist to him, I guess.
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National Title. Who cares about SWC titles. The SWC was pretty much a conference designed for Texas and Texas A&M to win since it was a league full of weaker Texas programs and Arkansas.
It would be like Tennessee having a Conference with Memphis, MTSU, Vanderbilt, UT-Chattanooga, Tennessee Tech, Austin Peay, East Tennessee State, and maybe a Kentucky or Georgia.
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In post #43 you talk about "titles" as conference titles. In post #51 you talk about a conference, the conference participants, and reference "titles" again and then go on later to specifically talk about championships for the national level.
It's cool if you made a mistake.
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I am not trying to be mean, I am just saying don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. I would call you the Auburn of Texas but that would be an insult to Auburn because they have won and played for titles in the modern era, something Texas A&M hasn't done (perhaps Georgia Tech or Vandy would be a better comparison). You guys live in the shadow of Texas. Jumping to the SEC helped but now Texas is coming to join you so I am not sure how it will turn out.
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If you say so.
I think the Mizzou move was around the time when cable and TV subs worked differently and conferences wanted a footprint in big city markets to expand their networks. Not sure its the case anymore with streaming services.
If the expansion merry-go-round would have started in today's market, i doubt the SEC would have been terribly interested in Missouri and the B1G certainly wouldn't have had much interest in Rutgers. Maryland they might have still been willing to take on.
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Mizzu was the one that started the wheels of realignment, they had been lifting their skirts towards the BiG for a while. They wanted to be there, unfortunately for them.. Nebraska saw this and reached out to see if the BiG would take them in. Mizzu got a saved by the SEC, who needed another school to pair with aggy. I don't think the SEC values them like the others.. made them play in the East despite sitting in the West.
I'm pretty sure that if the BiG would ever answer, they'd jump immediately
Ah, come on. Colorado vs Indiana and Az State vs Maryland would be must see TV!
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Yup, I get the want to add bigger TV markets. I would have viewed Oklahoma as a secondary TV market but a better team with a better rivalry.