USC and Oregon To B1G rumor....

[WhosYourDawggy]

The next inflection point is going to be around 2026-2027. That's when they will announce the B1G and the SEC are getting twice the revenue as the other three P5. And, it will be the same time the B1G and the SEC have 7 of the 12 teams in the CFP. You think the P5 v G5 is a thing, in about 5 years there will be an equal gulf in the P5. When each of your teams is getting 50+ million more per year in TV money than the 3 other leagues, they simply won't be able to keep up. There will be a ton of soul searching at that time. If the top teams from the other are ever going to jump, it's going to start then.

 

[Deep Creek]

The next inflection point is going to be around 2026-2027. That's when they will announce the B1G and the SEC are getting twice the revenue as the other three P5. And, it will be the same time the B1G and the SEC have 7 of the 12 teams in the CFP. You think the P5 v G5 is a thing, in about 5 years there will be an equal gulf in the P5. When each of your teams is getting 50+ million more per year in TV money than the 3 other leagues, they simply won't be able to keep up. There will be a ton of soul searching at that time. If the top teams from the other are ever going to jump, it's going to start then.

There already is. No?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

There already is. No?

Good point ... I guess to me it just gets to such a ridiculous difference that it will have more impact. Right now, the B1G and SEC make $20-$25 million more per team. Come 2026, it will be $60+ million more. The amount of money they will be able to put into recruiting, staff, facilities, etc. will be ridiculous.

 

[Thiefery]

ND’s deal is independent of the ACC.

They are screed until 2036 but the renegotiation will start early and it’ll be a big jump. With the Big 12 going under and the ACC owning most of ND’s away games the programming is way under valued.

ND will never join as a full member with the ACC.. but it isn't about ND, it's about the schools that are actually members of the ACC. Again what makes you think they will get an early renegotiation? Big12 with UT and ou was told, thanks but no thanks when they requested to start negotiating for the next contract

 

[Wild Turkey]

ND will never join as a full member with the ACC.. but it isn't about ND, it's about the schools that are actually members of the ACC. Again what makes you think they will get an early renegotiation? Big12 with UT and ou was told, thanks but no thanks when they requested to start negotiating for the next contract

Because it makes sense to negotiate additional years and locking up the content.

When Monday Night football cost a billion a year buying an entire conference for 50 million is a bargain.

 

[psaboy]

Doubt it. I don't see the point in taking only those two. They would take UCLA, Stanford, Cal, and Washington too.

Need to take seven; USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, California and Arizona. Then you have three divisions; west, central and east. 6 division games, 2-3 games cross divisional and then 3-4 out of conference games. May be tough to figure out league champ, maybe 4 team conference extravaganza??

 

[Innermind]

You underestimate the academic arrogance of UNC. It's an amazing sight to behold, I assure you. Culturally, they are way more like a B1G school than an SEC school. Not that it makes my opinion right, but it helps that for 21 years I've lived here, most of my best friends went to UNC, their kids go to UNC, I now have a son at UNC. You seriously have to live it to understand it, perhaps.

Yup.... plus, the money generated by athletic departments pales in comparison to the money generated by academic research, and of course UNC is a major research institution, an AAU member, and one of the handful of 'public Ivy's'.

Also...
The B1G used to be in an academic research organization called the Committee on Academic Cooperation (CIC) which was reformed/rebranded in 2016 as the Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA). The $$$ advantages of being in the BTAA would be a dream come true for a major research university such as UNC.

The academic prestige of being in the B1G and BTAA are a big deal to university administrators, but an even bigger deal is the academic research money from being in the B1G and BTAA. And again, research money dwarfs athletic money.

It's about the $$$.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Need to take seven; USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, California and Arizona. Then you have three divisions; west, central and east. 6 division games, 2-3 games cross divisional and then 3-4 out of conference games. May be tough to figure out league champ, maybe 4 team conference extravaganza??

Nah you would take 5 with max of 20 teams in conference and shift to the pod system. 4 pod games, then two from every other pod rotating a and b years, then a few noncon. Then you could either take the best records or do a mini 4 team playoff with the winners of each pod to decide the conference.

 

[OlyDuck]

I’ve lived in Cary, NC, for 21 years, I’m 20 minutes from Duke, UNC, and NCState. I have close friends who are large donors at UNC. I have a kid at UNC. I listen to ACC dominated sports talk radio every day.

They envy the money the SEC and the B1G are generating. They are concerned what it means to them and fairness in football. But, they don’t really care about football. They are all basketball. Football is something you have to wait through to get to basketball season.

Academics means a ton to them. They don’t look at any of the SEC schools as their equal. They are a much better fit culturally with the BIG.

I’m not going to say what happens in 12 years but the B1G seems far more likely than the SEC for UNC, Duke and UVa. Clemson, FSU for better with the SEC.

the only reason i dont buy "cultural fit" is because even within the conferences know from end to end there are cultural differences.
Nebraska and Iowa to Maryland and Rutgers? PNW to the desert? west Virginia is a clear outlier but now add BYU. miami and FSU up to BC and Pitt? OK and TX may fit in better in the SEC but its not like they didnt fit in the BigXII and they still dont give off SEC vibe. ive been to Missouri and Tennessee and they did not feel the same either.

 

[Thiefery]

Nah you would take 5 with max of 20 teams in conference and shift to the pod system. 4 pod games, then two from every other pod rotating a and b years, then a few noncon. Then you could either take the best records or do a mini 4 team playoff with the winners of each pod to decide the conference.

no, having pod winners is dumb with soo many teams. Just keep it simple and have the top 2 schools regardless of pods play for the CCG. The ones that feel slighted probably have a good shot at making an expanded at large CFP bid

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

no, having pod winners is dumb with soo many teams. Just keep it simple and have the top 2 schools regardless of pods play for the CCG. The ones that feel slighted probably have a good shot at making an expanded at large CFP bid

You're going to have favoritism in that case as schedules will not always... or ever, be equal. Much easier and reasonable in my opinion to just have the top pod winners face off in a mini conference playoff.

 

[OlyDuck]

Nah you would take 5 with max of 20 teams in conference and shift to the pod system. 4 pod games, then two from every other pod rotating a and b years, then a few noncon. Then you could either take the best records or do a mini 4 team playoff with the winners of each pod to decide the conference.

so 12 game season, 2 for conference playoff. and depending how the NC playoff goes could be 3 more after that?

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

so 12 game season, 2 for conference playoff. and depending how the NC playoff goes could be 3 more after that?

Problem?

These "kids" are leaving and immediately joining a league that plays 17 regular season games. They can get up to speed or get the fuck out.

 

[Thiefery]

You're going to have favoritism in that case as schedules will not always... or ever, be equal. Much easier and reasonable in my opinion to just have the top pod winners face off in a mini conference playoff.

yes, it could have favoritism but will the committee really leave off a one loss school that did not make the CCG game because they lost to one of the schools who will be AND they were ranked behind another 1 loss or undefeated team?

 

[Wild Turkey]

Good point ... I guess to me it just gets to such a ridiculous difference that it will have more impact. Right now, the B1G and SEC make $20-$25 million more per team. Come 2026, it will be $60+ million more. The amount of money they will be able to put into recruiting, staff, facilities, etc. will be ridiculous.

Big 12 is gone and no one wanted anyone that was left.
ACC is locked in until 2036 and if someone leaves their revenue stays with the ACC so there is a "poison pill' deterrent.

The PAC's current deal expires summer of 2024 and they are negotiating it now. If the money isn't there I think a move happens then or the teams could be locked into another decade. So we aren't 2026 or 2027 with something happening we are probably 12 months away from knowing what happens.

USC is one of those rare schools that moves the needle so the B1G will listen and honestly can't afford not to get them if they are available. Who comes with them is up for debate.

The PAC is talking about dropping a conference game to open another slot for a P5 matchup so that might sweeten the deal and if I'm a network I would require each team to schedule at least one P5 non-conference game year. That would improve ratings dramatically.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Big 12 is gone and no one wanted anyone that was left.
ACC is locked in until 2036 and if someone leaves their revenue stays with the ACC so there is a "poison pill' deterrent.

The PAC's current deal expires summer of 2024 and they are negotiating it now. If the money isn't there I think a move happens then or the teams could be locked into another decade. So we aren't 2026 or 2027 with something happening we are probably 12 months away from knowing what happens.

USC is one of those rare schools that moves the needle so the B1G will listen and honestly can't afford not to get them if they are available. Who comes with them is up for debate.

The PAC is talking about dropping a conference game to open another slot for a P5 matchup so that might sweeten the deal and if I'm a network I would require each team to schedule at least one P5 non-conference game year. That would improve ratings dramatically.

If you've seen the charts I've posted from 2 sources, the B12 is not gone ... they will be on par with the ACC and the PAC.

I pretty much agree with you on movement regarding the PAC and their contract. I've posted about a B1G West Division. Just don't see that happening this quickly. They could do a 6 year deal like the B1G has done, as opposed to the 10-12 year deals that the SEC has done, or the stupid 2036 deal the ACC did.

The PAC dropping games relied on the B1G cooperating. They said, nah.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

yes, it could have favoritism but will the committee really leave off a one loss school that did not make the CCG game because they lost to one of the schools who will be AND they were ranked behind another 1 loss or undefeated team?

Depends on the amount of teams in the CFP.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

the only reason i dont buy "cultural fit" is because even within the conferences know from end to end there are cultural differences.
Nebraska and Iowa to Maryland and Rutgers? PNW to the desert? west Virginia is a clear outlier but now add BYU. miami and FSU up to BC and Pitt? OK and TX may fit in better in the SEC but its not like they didnt fit in the BigXII and they still dont give off SEC vibe. ive been to Missouri and Tennessee and they did not feel the same either.

You just have to live here to understand the academic aspect of UNC. And, we know the B1G has that academic arrogance. That's not made up ... it just means more to them.

 

[stakesarehigh]

You just have to live here to understand the academic aspect of UNC. And, we know the B1G has that academic arrogance. That's not made up ... it just means more to them.

It's not arrogance. It's money. The AAU brings in more research dollars than football does in revenue

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yup.... plus, the money generated by athletic departments pales in comparison to the money generated by academic research, and of course UNC is a major research institution, an AAU member, and one of the handful of 'public Ivy's'.

Also...
The B1G used to be in an academic research organization called the Committee on Academic Cooperation (CIC) which was reformed/rebranded in 2016 as the Big Ten Academic Alliance (BTAA). The $$$ advantages of being in the BTAA would be a dream come true for a major research university such as UNC.

The academic prestige of being in the B1G and BTAA are a big deal to university administrators, but an even bigger deal is the academic research money from being in the B1G and BTAA. And again, research money dwarfs athletic money.

It's about the $$$.

Some here are totally underestimating what you state ... UNC is a hoops school because you can be a competitive hoops school and still maintain academic excellence. That's notwithstanding cheating for fucking 20 years with their AA Studies bullshit. You should have seen all the UNC people dancing around that. But, really, because of that, the academic side has even more control and they will call the shots on moving to a new conference. Athletics owes academics on this one. And then there is the money you mention.