12 Team CFP Autopsy

Tharvot said:
What did you like? What did you hate?

What are you keeping and improving upon?


For me, things I loved:
- On Campus playoff games. Greatness and so much better than neutral site for college football
- Expanded format (and not just because my team ended up winning). More teams is more fun to a certain extent

Things I hated:
- Automatic byes awarded to conference winners. Don't like byes that much in general, but if they were to exist they should have been awarded to highest ranks in the final poll, not defaulted to conference champs

Things I want to keep and improve on:
- Scheduling. Need to clean things up and try to reduce the time between regular season ending and CFP Final.
- Add reseeding to the brackets. Should reduce the chances of one side of the bracket being overly strong compared to the other.

Dream Scenario that just won't happen:
- CFP ends on Jan 1 at the Rose Bowl. Perfect setting for the college football title game every season.
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Rose Bowl is a dump and LA sucks. Best photo op in CFB with the palm trees in the background but any stadium built in the last 20 years blows it away from a fan experience.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Rose Bowl is a dump and LA sucks. Best photo op in CFB with the palm trees in the background but any stadium built in the last 20 years blows it away from a fan experience.
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Rose Bowl has its allure, but that is completely "nostalgia". It's the same as people who try to tell me that classic cars are better than modern cars. No way, not in any capacity other than remembering the good old days. All football fans should see a game in the Rose Bowl to check the box, but after that it isn't anything special and certainly isn't as nice or offer as much as any of the newer stadiums.
 
fordman84 said:
I read it as if bye's go away then the conference title becomes pretty much worthless and if it is worthless then just do away with it.
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Thanks for the assist Fordman. You got it right.

If there is a tie atop a conference with no head to head then go to a strength of victory tie breaker or some bullshit. Or give them a split title, no one would care really because it would mean anything for the playoff seeding.

But if they insist on keeping the conference champ game, they award the winner with a bye and play the first round the following week. A 3 week bye is not better than a 2 week bye
 
Jon Deaux said:
I believe you have mentioned this in other places, so I'll mention it here.

FUCK the rose bowl

and no reseeding
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They've been arrogant obstructionists for way too long...ever since CFB went away from a total post system bowl system. And CFB has cowered to them long enough. JMO.
 
dhoey said:
don’t take so many weeks off.

I’m fine with the byes if you win your conference, it needs to be worth something. I would be fine with getting rid of the conference championship games all together too.
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If a team is good enough to make the CFP without playing in their CCG (or ain't in a conference like ND), they get to play one less difficult game than the two that finished in front of them. Doesn't make much sense to me.
 
fordman84 said:
Would it matter who won it? Just take the rankings and slot them into the bracket. If two teams are 10-2 and didn't go head to head then one of them is certainly going to have lost to someone worse or beat someone better at some point.
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I was replying to dhoey's statement that he's "fine with byes if you win their conference" and that he's fine with "getting rid
CCG's".

How do you know who won the conference if there's a tie, no head-to head, and no CCG?
Who gets the bye? Coin flip?
 
PeoplesChicken said:
Would you be okay with Michigan-Ohio State played in Sept?

Army-Navy is a great tradition and rivalry.
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It’s still being played every year but really the easy fix is just moving it up a week or two with a 16 team playoff format
 
Deep Creek said:
Damn! Why do the ACC teams get more than anyone but Notre Dame and Texas? Neither won a single game.
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Conferences have participation awards/bonus payouts that are different from each other.

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College Football Playoff Payouts 2024-2025

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Tharvot said:
Conferences have participation awards/bonus payouts that are different from each other.

businessofcollegesports.com

College Football Playoff Payouts 2024-2025

How much do teams make for the College Football Playoff? We've got the 2023-24 revenue distribution plan plus payouts from past years.
businessofcollegesports.com businessofcollegesports.com
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so what you are saying is that the CFP money to the ACC is already earmarked for FSU???
 
Thiefery said:
so what you are saying is that the CFP money to the ACC is already earmarked for FSU???
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Why did SMU and Clemson get $4M when they both lost in the first round? Well there ya go.
 
Tharvot said:
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Why did SMU and Clemson get $4M when they both lost in the first round? Well there ya go.
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Thanks. I guess the next question is how much each conference gets. Let's assume (and we know what that does for us) that the ACC and Big 12 get basically the same amount for CFP appearances. I am also "assuming" the ACC got two shares for Clem and SMU as opposed to the Big 12's one for ASU. If so, it appears the Big 12 distributes their share equally to all 16 teams as opposed to what the ACC does. It appears similar for the B1G. Am I "assuming" correctly?
 
Deep Creek said:
Thanks. I guess the next question is how much each conference gets. Let's assume (and we know what that does for us) that the ACC and Big 12 get basically the same amount for CFP appearances. I am also "assuming" the ACC got two shares for Clem and SMU as opposed to the Big 12's one for ASU. If so, it appears the Big 12 distributes their share equally to all 16 teams as opposed to what the ACC does. It appears similar for the B1G. Am I "assuming" correctly?
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The wording is a little funky, i think this is the breakdown of payouts to conferences, not individual teams:

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So each conference gets that payment table for each member they have in the CFP. They then decide on how to split out that pot to their members based on participation. The B1G for example, splits everything evenly amongst all members, whether or not they were participants. The ACC it seems, passes everything earned directly to the participant who earned that spot while the SEC passes most everything directly to the participant. The B12 has a funky calculation that gives an additional reward to the participant which seems more confusing than useful to me.

ND, by virtue of being independent, keeps all its bowl payout money to itself.
 
dhoey said:
Thanks for the assist Fordman. You got it right.

If there is a tie atop a conference with no head to head then go to a strength of victory tie breaker or some bullshit. Or give them a split title, no one would care really because it would mean anything for the playoff seeding.

But if they insist on keeping the conference champ game, they award the winner with a bye and play the first round the following week. A 3 week bye is not better than a 2 week bye
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I can go with that.
 
Tharvot said:
The wording is a little funky, i think this is the breakdown of payouts to conferences, not individual teams:

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So each conference gets that payment table for each member they have in the CFP. They then decide on how to split out that pot to their members based on participation. The B1G for example, splits everything evenly amongst all members, whether or not they were participants. The ACC it seems, passes everything earned directly to the participant who earned that spot while the SEC passes most everything directly to the participant. The B12 has a funky calculation that gives an additional reward to the participant which seems more confusing than useful to me.

ND, by virtue of being independent, keeps all its bowl payout money to itself.
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It is a little funky. So, the four first round byes got $8 million each without winning a CFP game. $4 million for making it and $4million for second round games.

If my old West Texas arithmetic is correct:

B1G got $16 million for four teams making the CFP (Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Indiana). $12 million for three teams playing in round two. (Oregon, Penn Stat and Ohio State) $12 million for Two teams making the semis (Penn State, Ohio State) and $6 million for Ohio State making the finals. B1G total of $46 million/18 = $2.55 million. Adds up.

SEC - $8+$8+$6+$0=$22 million Have no idea how they distributed it.

ACC - $8+$0+$0+$0=$8 million/2= $4 million each. Adds up.

Big 12 - $4+$4+$0+$0=$8 million/16= $500,000 each. Adds up

MWC - $4+$4+$0+$0=$8 million No idea.
 
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