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There has been proof released. I know MI fans will only admit the cheating if they are present first hand to see all that cheatin but it happened. Im sure after MI gets hit by the NCAA there will be a new excuse.
There really isnt. There's a lot of claims made but very little of the evidence is anything but circumstantial. The circumstantial evidence adds up to lead in a clear direction but there's very little "proof" released.
 
Show me where I said that.

Buckeyes have not beat MI for 1400+ days and MI has not beat TOSU without cheating for over a decade. Cheaters always trying to justify and twist. Adding in the running scared year, such a MI thing to do.
Michigan has embarrassed you for two straight years. You had our signs last year and changed your signs, yet STILL lost to UM.

I truly hope they say Harbaugh can't be on the sideline this year. Cause with or without him -- nothing will change. UM will run the ball if OSU doesn't stack the box and UM will pass the ball if OSU stacks the box and there is nothing OSU can do about it.
 
See above. Stallions clearly was operating without permission from the staff. Irrelevant to what he was actually doing. I think that much is very clear at this point.
Nope, it will come out that they knew or should have known that he was doing something illegal. At least three things going against your cheaters:

- The money trail - who paid for everything - he certainly didn't.
- CMU - someone had to know to get him on the field.
- No way someone shouldn't have known he had that detailed of information.

You are royally fucked, as you should be.
 
There's been multiple instances (not just one document)...

EDIT, I found them. They were attached to our response to the B10


Yes, I understand using broadcast footage is legal. But the combined evidence of documented sign stealing shows you the extent at which teams 1. Know your signs and 2. Actively trade signs to undercut future opponents.

IE the impact of what Stallions was doing was minimal. What is shown is absolutely no different than the documentation Michigan is alleged to have had on the sidelines.

Also note: The images of the scoreboards....weird. How did those get in there without someone in person?

What other people did doesn't help you. You still stole the signs in a multi-year operation. If they did something bad, they too will be penalized. How can you not understand this?
 
This is the part that is humorous. People talking about absolutes and running with pics off the internet (Yet, no one can provide a single video of the 'laminated sign sheet'). Feel free to post one video of that laminated sign sheet you are passing off as fact. Better yet, here is my proposal, I will do an avatar bet with you for the rest of the football season. You post a video of the laminated sign sheet from the pic you are talking as fact and you can give me anything for my avatar. If you can't. I get to give you an avatar for the rest of the football season. Deal?
You've seen the laminated sheets. They were some of the first things we saw on Twitter.

I don't make avi threads ... they are stupid. I don't give a fuck what your avi is.
 
Nope, it will come out that they knew or should have known that he was doing something illegal. At least three things going against your cheaters:

- The money trail - who paid for everything - he certainly didn't.
- CMU - someone had to know to get him on the field.
- No way someone shouldn't have known he had that detailed of information.

You are royally fucked, as you should be.
Well, actually, it sounds like he did pay for it with his weird LLC and vacuum business. That's where the money trail already lead.

The CMU thing is the most compelling, if they can actually prove that was him. So far it doesn't sound like anyone has.
 
What other people did doesn't help you. You still stole the signs in a multi-year operation. If they did something bad, they too will be penalized. How can you not understand this?
Well, it does actually. Because it sets the standard for IF Michigan broke the rules, how much of a benefit was it. And based on the information Michigan has in hand, it doesn't seem like it was very much of a benefit over the type of information already gathered. That directly impacts how the NCAA might punish the program, how can YOU not understand that? This isn't like Michigan went from 0 information to 100% information with Stallions. With or without Stallions doing what he was doing, there is already an existing (and seemingly vast) network of sign stealing going on in (at minimum) the B10, that produced in depth documentation on other team's signs that's then traded around.
 
You've seen the laminated sheets. They were some of the first things we saw on Twitter.

I don't make avi threads ... they are stupid. I don't give a fuck what your avi is.
I see you have taken up the task of beating your head against the brick wall.

Godspeed, and hope to see you in the CCP finals.
 
Well, it does actually. Because it sets the standard for IF Michigan broke the rules, how much of a benefit was it. And based on the information Michigan has in hand, it doesn't seem like it was very much of a benefit over the type of information already gathered. That directly impacts how the NCAA might punish the program, how can YOU not understand that? This isn't like Michigan went from 0 information to 100% information with Stallions. With or without Stallions doing what he was doing, there is already an existing (and seemingly vast) network of sign stealing going on in (at minimum) the B10, that produced in depth documentation on other team's signs that's then traded around.
Nope, doesn't help you.
 
You've seen the laminated sheets. They were some of the first things we saw on Twitter.

I don't make avi threads ... they are stupid. I don't give a fuck what your avi is.
The laminated sheets are not evidence of anything illegal. It's like you taking a picture of a car on a road and claiming it's evidence of speeding.
Nope, doesn't help you.
Absolutely does. Because if the NCAA rules this is a violation, they're going to have to determine what level it is and what the punishment is (IE how much of a benefit it actually was).
 
You've seen the laminated sheets. They were some of the first things we saw on Twitter.

I don't make avi threads ... they are stupid. I don't give a fuck what your avi is.
Yes -- i also know what photoshop is. If that were real -- the video would have been on every major sports outlet. You won't find a video, because there isn't one.

It goes back to what I've said from the beginning -- the only people who have facts are the NCAA and Michigan, until they release what has been found -- it is nothing more than "insiders" throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks or people putting stuff up to get clicks and try to gain followers online.

Then you have fans who run with the nonsense as fact or even making up their own facts in their head, as @ellupo did. He literally thinks Harbaugh had an advantage over Day because Harbaugh analyzed the videos that no one has seen. :facepalm:

It is why I don't even have a twitter or anything like that anymore.
 
What other people did doesn't help you. You still stole the signs in a multi-year operation. If they did something bad, they too will be penalized. How can you not understand this?
Can't we just say everyone was doing it, like you say about Georgia paying players?
 
The laminated sheets are not evidence of anything illegal. It's like you taking a picture of a car on a road and claiming it's evidence of speeding.

Absolutely does. Because if the NCAA rules this is a violation, they're going to have to determine what level it is and what the punishment is (IE how much of a benefit it actually was).
Nope, cheater.
 
Here you go. You said Day didn't have full videos from other games to analyze like Harbaugh did.

OSU fans are so damaged from losing to UM they are now making things up in their head to try and justify it, then trying to say they didn't say it.
Never said harbs analyzed videos. You have been the 2nd most delusional poster since this started. keep up the good work.
 
Yes -- i also know what photoshop is. If that were real -- the video would have been on every major sports outlet. You won't find a video, because there isn't one.

It goes back to what I've said from the beginning -- the only people who have facts are the NCAA and Michigan, until they release what has been found -- it is nothing more than "insiders" throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks or people putting stuff up to get clicks and try to gain followers online.

Then you have fans who run with the nonsense as fact or even making up their own facts in their head, as @ellupo did. He literally thinks Harbaugh had an advantage over Day because Harbaugh analyzed the videos that no one has seen. :facepalm:

It is why I don't even have a twitter or anything like that anymore.
LOL, you are now as delusional as the other guy, going with "photoshopped." Oh, boy, its going to be fun to watch you go down, cheater.
 
There really isnt. There's a lot of claims made but very little of the evidence is anything but circumstantial. The circumstantial evidence adds up to lead in a clear direction but there's very little "proof" released.
So first there isnt any evidence then you call hit circumstantial. Which is it, there is no evidence or it is circumstantial?
 
Michigan has embarrassed you for two straight years. You had our signs last year and changed your signs, yet STILL lost to UM.

I truly hope they say Harbaugh can't be on the sideline this year. Cause with or without him -- nothing will change. UM will run the ball if OSU doesn't stack the box and UM will pass the ball if OSU stacks the box and there is nothing OSU can do about it.
Still confused. But you do you little brother. keep making excuses.
 
Yes -- i also know what photoshop is. If that were real -- the video would have been on every major sports outlet. You won't find a video, because there isn't one.

It goes back to what I've said from the beginning -- the only people who have facts are the NCAA and Michigan, until they release what has been found -- it is nothing more than "insiders" throwing shit against the wall and hoping something sticks or people putting stuff up to get clicks and try to gain followers online.

Then you have fans who run with the nonsense as fact or even making up their own facts in their head, as @ellupo did. He literally thinks Harbaugh had an advantage over Day because Harbaugh analyzed the videos that no one has seen. :facepalm:

It is why I don't even have a twitter or anything like that anymore.
The NCAA turned their facts over to the B1G. Wrong again.
 
So first there isnt any evidence then you call hit circumstantial. Which is it, there is no evidence or it is circumstantial?
I'm being generous by calling it circumstantial. Right now we have claims and rumors from "insiders" and "sources". The public has been presented with no evidence and even Michigan claims the evidence the B10/NCAA presented was limited to claims of other schools. Claims of ticket purchases. Claims of people in those seats recording. We haven't seen any evidence of any of it.
 
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