ACC and PAC are Discussing a Partnership

TheDayMan said:
So is the Pac 10, even if we have more valuable programs left over, the conference has been so horribly mismanaged for more than a decade that we hold no cards. We're losing our biggest market and presence in our hottest recruiting grounds. The best we can hope is the Big 10 comes around and ends up wanting UW, Oregon, and whatever else between Stanford/Cal/Colorado, but with their current "cool your tits" stance, some kind of Big 12 merger might be in the future, and make no mistake, it will be on their terms.
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What if the Big12 offered Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and the Arizona schools membership with a no penalty clause if/when the BIG/SEC comes calling?

Deal or stay put?
 
CoalTrain said:
What if the Big12 offered Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and the Arizona schools membership with a no penalty clause if/when the BIG/SEC comes calling?

Deal or stay put?
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Seems like a no brainer.

However, this is the Pac 12 we're talking about, so "no brainer" is meaningless. They will try to keep it going as long as they possibly can.
 
CoalTrain said:
What if the Big12 offered Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and the Arizona schools membership with a no penalty clause if/when the BIG/SEC comes calling?

Deal or stay put?
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Unfortunately If the Big12 wants Oregon and Washington, they’ll have to offer Oregon state and wazzu. So no Utah and Arizona.
 
CoalTrain said:
What if the Big12 offered Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, and the Arizona schools membership with a no penalty clause if/when the BIG/SEC comes calling?

Deal or stay put?
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As long as the money makes sense, I'd imagine they would say yes. However, I haven't seen Stanford linked to the Big 12 once. Sounds like they want UO, UW, UU, UA, ASU and CU or some combination of those 6.
 
OregonDucks said:
Unfortunately If the Big12 wants Oregon and Washington, they’ll have to offer Oregon state and wazzu. So no Utah and Arizona.
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Well that is just an example it could be any combo I suppose , I just heard the offer of no penalty as a possible offer to get desired school(s) to join the Big12 to try n get the best money possible for all of em until the invites come.
 
duckboy33 said:
OSU and WSU are a drain. They only remain P5 if the PAC survives.
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True and that is sad. I remember the WSU flag being a mainstay on ESPN Gameday and Oregon State being that fly in the ointment for all of the Pete Carroll USC teams.

Again, sad to see the smaller schools get dumped but it is inevitable now.
 
CoalTrain said:
Well that is just an example it could be any combo I suppose , I just heard the offer of no penalty as a possible offer to get desired school(s) to join the Big12 to try n get the best money possible for all of em until the invites come.
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That'd be the only reason for a no penalty. It seems the length of time part of penalty is as big a stumbling block as the amount. The ACC is probably blown up if their deal didn't go out all the way to 2036 or whenever it is.
 
Volbound1700 said:
True and that is sad. I remember the WSU flag being a mainstay on ESPN Gameday and Oregon State being that fly in the ointment for all of the Pete Carroll USC teams.

Again, sad to see the smaller schools get dumped but it is inevitable now.
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Agreed. Not sure what can happen at this point though. It doesn't feel like this boulder is stopping. The networks seem hell bent on turning college football into NFL Lite.
 
duckboy33 said:
OSU and WSU are a drain. They only remain P5 if the PAC survives.
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Only because of their location IMO. Other than their location for conference purposes, are they really any worse than some of the other "state" universities like K-State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, etal? (Ohio is azzz backards since their big dog is Ohio State and not Ohio University. Same might be said for Arizona.)
 
duckboy33 said:
Agreed. Not sure what can happen at this point though. It doesn't feel like this boulder is stopping. The networks seem hell bent on turning college football into NFL Lite.
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Yep. And without a draft, salary cap or luxury tax. (or whatever they call that thing.)
 
Deep Creek said:
Only because of their location IMO. Other than their location for conference purposes, are they really any worse than some of the other "state" universities like K-State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, etal? (Ohio is azzz backards since their big dog is Ohio State and not Ohio University. Same might be said for Arizona.)
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I'd argue Oklahoma State athletic success has put them a tier above the rest but I agree overall.

The issue is they are going to bring down the TV payout to any P5 conference they are invited too. That's why they won't be invited. Oregon and Washington are already small states and these aren't even the big brands of those two states. There's nothing these two add financially, especially if you can get Oregon and Washington.
 
duckboy33 said:
I'd argue Oklahoma State athletic success has put them a tier above the rest but I agree overall.

The issue is they are going to bring down the TV payout to any P5 conference they are invited too. That's why they won't be invited. Oregon and Washington are already small states and these aren't even the big brands of those two states. There's nothing these two add financially, especially if you can get Oregon and Washington.
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Not being familiar with any of them really, OSU and WSU enrollments are larger than the other with the exception of Iowa State. Mississippi State has the smallest of that group at 22,000. ISU is 30,000 which is just slightly larger than OSU and WSU.
 
Deep Creek said:
Not being familiar with any of them really, OSU and WSU enrollments are larger than the other with the exception of Iowa State. Mississippi State has the smallest of that group at 22,000. ISU is 30,000 which is just slightly larger than OSU and WSU.
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Iowa State has a surprisingly good fanbase and it's a very solid university. It's a little surprising they haven't had much success in football historically. The last couple of years feels like it should be the norm for them.
 
OregonDucks said:
The smugness in this post is classic USC.
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How so?

USC is the only blue blood program west of Texas and even in down years casts a big shadow. OU and Texas do the same in the Big12.

Duck fans like to think Oregon can carry a conference as its flagship program. This is a great opportunity to show it.

Nothing I said is incorrect, you just don't like that it's a USC fan pointing it out.
 
trojanfan12 said:
How so?

USC is the only blue blood program west of Texas and even in down years casts a big shadow. OU and Texas do the same in the Big12.

Duck fans like to think Oregon can carry a conference as its flagship program. This is a great opportunity to show it.

Nothing I said is incorrect, you just don't like that it's a USC fan pointing it out.
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Volbound1700 said:
True and that is sad. I remember the WSU flag being a mainstay on ESPN Gameday and Oregon State being that fly in the ointment for all of the Pete Carroll USC teams.

Again, sad to see the smaller schools get dumped but it is inevitable now.
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I'm not sure the smaller schools would have to get dumped.

Folks have talked about larger conferences with ''pods''. This might be an opportunity to test that.

There would be 18 teams. They could maybe have two 9 team divisions or maybe three 6 team pods.
 
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