Advantage for the Big East?

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I'm no expert in the House settlement so correct me if I'm wrong. Does the $20.5 million cap on revenue sharing from the school apply to non football playing schools? If so, won't the non football playing schools be able to share more with their hoops teams than those that play football? Assuming they can generate the entire $20.5 million which would be a challenge. I'm speculating that the Big East would be the only one close to such.

Numbers I've seen estimate schools will dedicate 75% to Football, 15% to Men's Basketball, 5% to women's basketball and 5% to the other sports
 
Deep Creek said:
I'm no expert in the House settlement so correct me if I'm wrong. Does the $20.5 million cap on revenue sharing from the school apply to non football playing schools? If so, won't the non football playing schools be able to share more with their hoops teams than those that play football? Assuming they can generate the entire $20.5 million which would be a challenge. I'm speculating that the Big East would be the only one close to such.

Numbers I've seen estimate schools will dedicate 75% to Football, 15% to Men's Basketball, 5% to women's basketball and 5% to the other sports
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I think the football school can still spend more in general, though I think the top quarter to third of the Big East (and it will rotate which teams will be there) can match that spending.

At some point, you need some consistency and retention. Spending doesn't even guarantee winning on the pro level. Just spending puts you on a year in year out adventure.

I look at a school like Kansas, which was the model of consistency and even they cannot stay consistent because you just don't know the chemistry you get with transfers
 
jontaejones said:
I think the football school can still spend more in general, though I think the top quarter to third of the Big East (and it will rotate which teams will be there) can match that spending.

At some point, you need some consistency and retention. Spending doesn't even guarantee winning on the pro level. Just spending puts you on a year in year out adventure.

I look at a school like Kansas, which was the model of consistency and even they cannot stay consistent because you just don't know the chemistry you get with transfers
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If the rumors of allocation by football schools are correct, hoops will receive 15% of $20.5 million or $3.75 million. Not sure what Big East hoops revenue is per school.
 
Deep Creek said:
If the rumors of allocation by football schools are correct, hoops will receive 15% of $20.5 million or $3.75 million. Not sure what Big East hoops revenue is per school.
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Basically, it's not expected to be policed. Your Texas and Floridas will still spend as needed to win in both major sports.

I think the sports that will suffer most will be like softball and cross country and what not.
 
jontaejones said:
Basically, it's not expected to be policed. Your Texas and Floridas will still spend as needed to win in both major sports.

I think the sports that will suffer most will be like softball and cross country and what not.
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On paper right now I would lean towards the basketball schools having an advantage (assuming they have the means) because they will have more to spend.

Problem is everything they come up with has a work around so I’m going to assume any advantage will be negated.

Honestly I think the House bill will solve nothing only complicate what is already happening.

Just make them all employees, make them sign contracts, allow one free transfer without sitting out with no inter-conference transfers and put in a salary cap for each sport.

Anything else is just pretending to solve the problem. If we are going to treat them like pros then contract them like pros with rules.
 
jontaejones said:
Basically, it's not expected to be policed. Your Texas and Floridas will still spend as needed to win in both major sports.

I think the sports that will suffer most will be like softball and cross country and what not.
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Those sports will have an extreme benefit though in the ability to offer full scholarships to every roster player. I know it isn't NIL money, but the tertiary sports get very few full scholarships these days. That's going to be a big win for most schools baseball teams, I know that.
 
Wild Turkey said:
On paper right now I would lean towards the basketball schools having an advantage (assuming they have the means) because they will have more to spend.

Problem is everything they come up with has a work around so I’m going to assume any advantage will be negated.

Honestly I think the House bill will solve nothing only complicate what is already happening.

Just make them all employees, make them sign contracts, allow one free transfer without sitting out with no inter-conference transfers and put in a salary cap for each sport.

Anything else is just pretending to solve the problem. If we are going to treat them like pros then contract them like pros with rules.
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No need for a transfer limit with contracts though. Sign the contract and you have to abide by it, better hope you had a buyout or something in there. Otherwise, hope you are in demand enough to go year to year on contracts.
 
fordman84 said:
Those sports will have an extreme benefit though in the ability to offer full scholarships to every roster player. I know it isn't NIL money, but the tertiary sports get very few full scholarships these days. That's going to be a big win for most schools baseball teams, I know that.
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Where does that $ come from?

It's still the university's discretion to dissolve the school's baseball team if they want to.
 
jontaejones said:
Where does that $ come from?

It's still the university's discretion to dissolve the school's baseball team if they want to.
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Schools always have the say in what sports to play, House doesn't change that. Scholarship money doesn't come from the revenue share money, they are separate. Conferences can adopt new scholarship limits or leave it to the school to dole out what they can afford. House just removes any scholarship limits that existed prior. In baseball no school could offer more than 11.7 scholarships among the entire team. Not sure if basketball which drives higher revenue had the same type of restriction.

Have the Big East teams even opted into the House settlement? I know all P5 schools have but not sure about the rest.
 
fordman84 said:
No need for a transfer limit with contracts though. Sign the contract and you have to abide by it, better hope you had a buyout or something in there. Otherwise, hope you are in demand enough to go year to year on contracts.
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Your not wrong but these are young kids so give them one mulligan.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Your not wrong but these are young kids so give them one mulligan.
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I'm ok with that. To play devils advocate though, college is where you prepare for real life and learning the dangers of signing a contract without thinking about the end game is a very valuable life lesson.
 
fordman84 said:
I'm ok with that. To play devils advocate though, college is where you prepare for real life and learning the dangers of signing a contract without thinking about the end game is a very valuable life lesson.
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There are two sides to this, though.

One you are a very talented QB like Justin Fields who does everything right but lost the job fair and square and won't get a real shot until they are a senior but could start immediately at another school. They should get that chance.

Two, you are a delusional idiot who goes to 5 schools in 3 years, and those guys are never going to learn.

I think we make the rule to help the ones and the twos will screw up regardless.
 
fordman84 said:
Schools always have the say in what sports to play, House doesn't change that. Scholarship money doesn't come from the revenue share money, they are separate. Conferences can adopt new scholarship limits or leave it to the school to dole out what they can afford. House just removes any scholarship limits that existed prior. In baseball no school could offer more than 11.7 scholarships among the entire team. Not sure if basketball which drives higher revenue had the same type of restriction.

Have the Big East teams even opted into the House settlement? I know all P5 schools have but not sure about the rest.
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Even if scholarships are separate, you're still paying expenses.

And if a sport loses money, the college is back to where it was.

With the new rules, that money CAN be put to use for football and basketball.
 
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