Air Force placed on 2 year probation for recruiting violations

[trojanfan12]

You are 100% correct, I don't know what it's like. I worked for a guy who went to the Naval Academy, and I went to HS with a guy who went to the AF Academy, and that's about as close as it gets.

I know it's different though, and way behind anything in terms of rigors that I'll hopefully ever go through. I love watching the Academies go up against one another, and would love to attend an Army/Navy game. I have incredible respect for ANYONE who even tries to go to those schools because from what I've heard, it's insane.

But we are talking about a sport, a college sport. Where it doesn't matter if you allow anyone with a pulse in, or require incoming students to be perfect students, the rules are the rules. It was already mentioned that the students get a stipend even before the NIL came about, which was something specific to the Academies I believe.

The NCAA just has a period where they don't want the recruiting to be on campus, and AF broke the rule. This doesn't really seem to be that difficult of a rule to follow, and the fact that AF isn't appealing it means that there may actually be more, but are taking this to save face. I'm not saying that's the case, but certainly you'd think they'd appeal this.

I hate to bring you more bad news, but I agree with a lot of what you post, so your constant annoyance at anything I post is just annoying at this point.

I get what you are saying and generally agree.

However, college sports are also supposed to be about fair play as well. Imo, fairness/fair play isn't as simple as everyone playing by the same rules. Sometimes there are situations where a rule could/should be "overlooked" in the spirit of fairness/fair play.

Imo, because of the rigors that the student athletes at the service academies go through just to be able to compete, overlooking or granting leniency (maybe let them off with a warning) on something this minor would have been a better move on the NCAA's part.

 

[Kachina]

I get what you are saying and generally agree.

However, college sports are also supposed to be about fair play as well. Imo, fairness/fair play isn't as simple as everyone playing by the same rules. Sometimes there are situations where a rule could/should be "overlooked" in the spirit of fairness/fair play.

Imo, because of the rigors that the student athletes at the service academies go through just to be able to compete, overlooking or granting leniency (maybe let them off with a warning) on something this minor would have been a better move on the NCAA's part.

That's fair. I was reading as well that this was a COVID based protocol they broke the rules for?

I have read two reports on this and they don't exactly align, but yeah, it seems really harsh for a normal school, much less one of the academies. This, and the fact they aren't appealing is why I was curious if there was 'more' to this that isn't being released and that this violation is the what the parties agreed to behind closed doors.

Probably not, but yeah, the more I read about the actual violation, the more I think that it's something commonly done with simple slaps on the wrist.

 

[Wild Turkey]

And I get the impression that you still at home with your parents.

But why kid ourselves, you like to belittle people and can have an intelligent conversation with someone with differing views.

I'm not sure I'll let you know when I actually find someone intelligent on these bds.

 

[Wingsauce7]

I'd tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves.

 

[Wingsauce7]

Yeah
I always thought the Service Academies had their own rules on recruiting.
Not sure why I thought that exactly.

No, that would be the SEC and B1G

 

[78Cyclones]

Another person I seem to have offended. I must be on a roll.

Wake Forest has about the same student body, but I'm sure very different academic requirements.

No one is forcing the academies to play D1 football, but I think if they do, they should play with the same rules. Stanford is one of the hardest colleges to get into in the nation, should they have easier regulations?

Sounds harsh on some of the best of America's youth, but I am against providing different rules for different schools because of academics requirements or school size.

I heard Billy Packer talk about when he was at Wake playing basketball in the '60s. He said, a prof in one of his classes asked all of the football and basketball players in the class to stand up. So, he did. Then, the prof said: "I grade on a curve, and they are all passing!"

 

[jjc2009]

Yeah
I always thought the Service Academies had their own rules on recruiting.
Not sure why I thought that exactly.

Yeah. You still have to be selected and that process is rigorous. They don’t really make exceptions for athletes.

My dad tried to talk me into applying for the naval academy, but I wanted to have too much fun in college. He also explained what I would need to do to get an offer. I wasn’t that good of a student in HS

 

[Wild Turkey]

Yeah. You still have to be selected and that process is rigorous. They don’t really make exceptions for athletes.

My dad tried to talk me into applying for the naval academy, but I wanted to have too much fun in college. He also explained what I would need to do to get an offer. I wasn’t that good of a student in HS

The coaches have an “unofficial“ number of waivers to get kids in they really want. If they think you can get in without it they will hold your offer to see.

There are exceptions but they work hard to keep them in school. The school work is no joke.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Amen. This is a problem that I see sometimes on this board as well. Sad thing is, some of these posters are older than I am but act like they are kids. A classic example of posters throwing around stupid insults is @WhosYourDawggy. What is sad is that he makes good points sometimes in his posts but it is covered with just non-sensical insults about sucking dicks or UTjr crap. It is literally something a 12-year old would type.

I can fall into this trap to, but you get posters who just argue to be right because of pride. I am trying to work on it. To be fair, I was a little rough on @ELTEXAN and @trojanfan12 Sunday in the Hateful8 thread. As crazy as it sounds, I was pretty frustrated at Texas because I just cannot stand seeing programs underachieve... similar to my thread about Jimbo Fisher and Texas A&M after week 2.

This really gets me frustrated at Tennessee and made me wonder at times why I was a fan. We rarely overachieve as a program .

I will say this though, most people on here are a blast, even the guys you get into heated arguments with like @Wild Turkey. Sometimes it is good to just step away from the keyboard at times.

Hell, I am getting flamed for my top 25 votes right now in the Voting Discussion thread and the criticism doesn't make any sense. (Apparently Texas Tech is some world beating program that is better than Florida and Oregon State and NC State should be in top 5 for beating them).

Also don't ever say anything about the SEC being the best conference or how tough the competition is in it, you will get flamed and called idiots. I mean Baylor is year in and year out better than most of Tennessee's opponents such as Florida and Georgia according to posters on here.

You in this post: A classic example of posters throwing around stupid insults is @WhosYourDawggy.

Also, you in the other UTjr post:

To me: Did you actually watch the game? Dumbass statistics from week 4 are about as useless as your posts?

To me: You didn't watch the game clearly so shut up. Experts that keep up with CFB disagree with you.

To someone else: @WhosYourDawggy is a one trick pony. He doesn't actually watch football, he is like an autistic person with math that just spouts numbers that are pretty meaningless to the situation.

To me: I can tell by your posting that you have never really played football at any level or any competitive sport. You just use math and statistics from last year.

To someone else: Good post and not full of nonsense. Thank you for adult response.

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In that other post, you were the one that started all the name-calling and the personal attacks. I responded in kind. Go look ... it's an objective fact.

You seem kind of soft to me. This isn't the first time you've stated you had to walk away from here. I mean, really? You let a sports board dictate your life that way?

Here's a thought ... if you don't go name calling, I certainly won't respond in kind. You start name calling and telling me to shut up, I might fire back. If you then get all whiny that's a you problem, not a me problem.

I tend to like sports boards where the posts are more substantive, and less trolling. I find that most people here are good natured. I started at SportsHoopla in 2013 when a bunch of us came over from CBS Sports. I left for several years when it seemed there was more trolling than substance. But even though I like in depth discussions about CFB issues, there is always some ball busting.

As for UTjr - tear the lace off your panties - I had "41 years," "1980," "off season national champs" thrown at me for, well, 41 years. Toughen up a little bit. You are like the UT guys getting bent out of shape by the horns down sign.

 

[rfjeff9]

Yeah. You still have to be selected and that process is rigorous. They don’t really make exceptions for athletes.

My dad tried to talk me into applying for the naval academy, but I wanted to have too much fun in college. He also explained what I would need to do to get an offer. I wasn’t that good of a student in HS

Got an 8th grader dead set on going to Annapolis. He has the grades and brains to do it too, but that's 4 years away.

He's going to try out one of the week long summer camps there. I think I convinced him to check out the other 3 academies also so he can be sure.

 

[jjc2009]

Got an 8th grader dead set on going to Annapolis. He has the grades and brains to do it too, but that's 4 years away.

He's going to try out one of the week long summer camps there. I think I convinced him to check out the other 3 academies also so he can be sure.

A friend of mine was an Air Force Academy graduate. He’s a Southwest Pilot now.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Got an 8th grader dead set on going to Annapolis. He has the grades and brains to do it too, but that's 4 years away.

He's going to try out one of the week long summer camps there. I think I convinced him to check out the other 3 academies also so he can be sure.

I’ve got a daughter that is a senior at the Coast Guard Academy and she got appointments to Navy and Air Force also. Here is the best advice I can give you:

1. Don’t listen to anyone that tells you they know someone because thats a tell they don‘t know shit. NEVER have anyone contact a congress person on your behalf (it doesn’t work that way).

2. Buy this book: The Naval Academy Candidate Book book by Sue Ross

It’s the blue print for acceptance and I recommend everyone involved read it and follow it to the letter.

3. Do not limit yourself to just the Naval Academy as you box yourself in. Apply to all including the Coast Guard Academy.

4. Get on campus to as many as you can and if it’s an official camp, program, STEM workshop where they have a record the better.

5. There will be Academy nights somewhere in your area or within driving distance so start now going to those and meeting the regional recruiters.

6. Check the academy websites for any activities, opportunities and sign up for all informational emails.

They need to start getting a record of your kid and trust me they will track it and it will matter. After their junior year they can go to Summer Seminars (which are a week) at all the academies and they are hard to get in but apply to all of them.

If a congress person sponsors something academy related in your area then go. But when you do let your kid approach anyone and let them do the talking. If you are seen as directing them it’s a red flag.

Make sure your kid takes as much AP math and science as they can take and their ACT scores in those areas matter. The good thing is the academies Super Score.

Your starting at the perfect time but get everyone ready now it’s a long process. If you have questions PM me.

 

[Volbound1700]

I’ve got a daughter that is a senior at the Coast Guard Academy and she got appointments to Navy and Air Force also. Here is the best advice I can give you:

1. Don’t listen to anyone that tells you they know someone because thats a tell they don‘t know shit. NEVER have anyone contact a congress person on your behalf (it doesn’t work that way).

2. Buy this book: The Naval Academy Candidate Book book by Sue Ross

It’s the blue print for acceptance and I recommend everyone involved read it and follow it to the letter.

3. Do not limit yourself to just the Naval Academy as you box yourself in. Apply to all including the Coast Guard Academy.

4. Get on campus to as many as you can and if it’s an official camp, program, STEM workshop where they have a record the better.

5. There will be Academy nights somewhere in your area or within driving distance so start now going to those and meeting the regional recruiters.

6. Check the academy websites for any activities, opportunities and sign up for all informational emails.

They need to start getting a record of your kid and trust me they will track it and it will matter. After their junior year they can go to Summer Seminars (which are a week) at all the academies and they are hard to get in but apply to all of them.

If a congress person sponsors something academy related in your area then go. But when you do let your kid approach anyone and let them do the talking. If you are seen as directing them it’s a red flag.

Make sure your kid takes as much AP math and science as they can take and their ACT scores in those areas matter. The good thing is the academies Super Score.

Your starting at the perfect time but get everyone ready now it’s a long process. If you have questions PM me.

Coast Guard sometimes doesn't get any love but that is another branch that isn't easy to get through. I have a friend that grew up in my church that is in Coast Guard and he was having to storm ships with armed raids.

 

[Deep Creek]

Pfft, that was rough?

I guess that's where being on a message board makes things a little tougher to gauge.

2 of my closest friends in the world are UCLA fans and I have another friend who is a Notre Dame fan.

We have said much, much worse to each other when arguing about sports.

You should have an indoctrinated aggie as a neighbor. And play golf three times a week with another one and a couple of rusty cows. Throw in three idiot red raiders and it is all insults and needling. But the absolute worst is my Baylor alumni brother in law. He is the smartest guy in the world and knows everything. Just ask him.

 

[Goldbug]

Another person I seem to have offended. I must be on a roll.

Wake Forest has about the same student body, but I'm sure very different academic requirements.

No one is forcing the academies to play D1 football, but I think if they do, they should play with the same rules. Stanford is one of the hardest colleges to get into in the nation, should they have easier regulations?

Sounds harsh on some of the best of America's youth, but I am against providing different rules for different schools because of academics requirements or school size.

Dude, go spend some time in a uniform and then tell me life is the same as a civilian. Same thing with the service academies compared to a regular university. It's like being on a different planet with everything high and tight and their shit is squared away 24/7 unlike a regular school that has people walking around who look like they should be in prison or at least sent to a shelter. This country is fucked up right now and an academy is an oasis of the old values and way of looking at life. Maybe you don't approve of that but it doesn't change the fact that military academies serve a special purpose and a few allowances isn't asking for a heck of a lot.

 

[Kachina]

Dude, go spend some time in a uniform and then tell me life is the same as a civilian. Same thing with the service academies compared to a regular university. It's like being on a different planet with everything high and tight and their shit is squared away 24/7 unlike a regular school that has people walking around who look like they should be in prison or at least sent to a shelter. This country is fucked up right now and an academy is an oasis of the old values and way of looking at life. Maybe you don't approve of that but it doesn't change the fact that military academies serve a special purpose and a few allowances isn't asking for a heck of a lot.

I'm thinking you didn't read the whole thread, as I mentioned time and time again that I have nothing but respect for for the academies. I didn't say it was the same, or easy, or anything else you mention in this post.

All I said was from a football only perspective, it's difficult to give different rules to different teams. THAT IT ALL.

 

[Goldbug]

I'm thinking you didn't read the whole thread, as I mentioned time and time again that I have nothing but respect for for the academies. I didn't say it was the same, or easy, or anything else you mention in this post.

All I said was from a football only perspective, it's difficult to give different rules to different teams. THAT IT ALL.

No, actually you popped off then have tried to weasel your way into a position where you profess your respect for the academies while insisting they play by the same rules regardless of their obvious need for some special dispensation when it comes to NCAA governance. You want your cake and eat it too. This is like saying you love women but insist they play from the same tee box as the men. It's just bullshit and a lot of us can see right through it.

 

[OregonDucks]

Probably told recruits they could have a chance to be Top Gun and once there they realize Top Gun is part of the Navy.

 

[Volbound1700]

Probably told recruits they could have a chance to be Top Gun and once there they realize Top Gun is part of the Navy.

My cousin was in the navy. He would tell me stories about training that he went to and how the Army and Navy guys had to stay in barracks, eat at the cafeteria, etc. while Air Force got to stay in BNB or Hotels and had nicer food options.

Definitely, if I was going into armed services, Air Force seems the way to go.

 

[OregonDucks]

My cousin was in the navy. He would tell me stories about training that he went to and how the Army and Navy guys had to stay in barracks, eat at the cafeteria, etc. while Air Force got to stay in BNB or Hotels and had nicer food options.

Definitely, if I was going into armed services, Air Force seems the way to go.

Oh yea, Air Force by far would be the best armed service to go to. However, growing up I was always a fan of the Army as I saw the Army as more of the blue collar do the dirty work type of service. Navy though seems to be the most intense and maybe that is because of the Navy Seals and the Marines. But yeah, the best gig seems to be in the Air Force.